Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9260709)

He went to A Super Bowl with a bad QB. And he lost it.

Championships with a good QB? He won in 2005. That's it.

Billick WON a Super Bowl with a bad QB, and never fell ass-backwards into one like Cowher did Roethlisberger. Billick also didn't get an extra 8 years to trip over said QB.

Go back and look at the drafts where Baltimore was picking high. What QB did Billick and Newsome pass on?

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9260719)

Elvis Grbac.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9260716)

OK. We can hire him for his defensive acumen and professionalism, and we'll need to get a high-quality OC to compensate.

If this is going to be the argument, fine. This is more plausible and acceptable than pointing to his prolific offenses in MN, while excusing his mediocre ones in Baltimore. Not saying you're doing this.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9260719)

Elvis Grbac.

It's amazing just how much Grbac's cowardice !@#$ed over the Chiefs and Ravens.

Billick saw Grbac throwing those pretty deep passes off play-action in KC and thought he could upgrade on Dilfer to perhaps re-create those deep tandems he had in Minn. with Cunningham chucking it deep to Moss. Grbac, for everything he did poorly, did have a nice deep ball.

Then Grbac got paid and showed his true colors - a pussy and a quitter. He refused to take a pay cut, so the Ravens released him and when they did, he quit. If he wanted to be a football player, he'd have restructured his deal and stayed with Baltimore, but when he refused and quit, he left the Ravens in an incredible lurch.

When he walked in 2002, they had no choice but to aggressively pursue a QB that could come in and play immediately. They had to scramble in 2002 and (shocker) Jeff Blake and Chris Redman weren't the answer. With a SB caliber defense, the needed someone under center and couldn't try to do the late round, draft/develop thing for even a single year. They needed a QB and they needed one immediately for the 2003 season.

So they used a 1st rounder on a guy that many did believe was the most talented QB in the draft that year. And they had to give him his 3 years to develop. And let's be honest - Boller was the only defensible QB choice there; everyone after him was utter shit.

Elvis Grbac's cowardice is the disaster the undid Brian Billick. That and desperation born of the wasted 2002 after the Grbac debacle.

Originally Posted by WilliamInnerCircle (Post 9260730)

Frank, do you believe this part of the email? I just have a hard time fathoming that our "in touch" owner is this far out of the loop.

If your franchise is embroiled in an ageism lawsuit, the players have quit, the fans have revolted, the GM has put a muzzle on the entire organization EXCEPT for Eric Winston's ability to throw the fans under the bus, and you need Manning to tell you how ****ed up your organization is?.... well .. i don't even...

Originally Posted by AdumbGuy (Post 9260726)

he just forgot how to be an offensive genius

Originally Posted by AdumbGuy (Post 9260711)

The thing that scares me most about billick is that for an offensive genius, he kept kyle boller in for that long. Kyle boller wasn't just bad like kordell stewart bad, kyle boller was absolutely terrible. Remind you of anybody?

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9260733)

If Bill Cowher didn't have a history in KC, people would be arguing that he accomplished nothing until Roethlisberger fell into his lap.

If this were 1997, I'd be all over Cowher.

It's not.

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 9260731)

Assbackwards?

C'mon man. Now Drafting a QB in the first and having it work out is falling assbackwards?

Gee, i hope our next HC falls assbackwards into a QB this year.

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9260736)

This is awesome. We're fighting over Billick and Cowher.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9260733)

If Bill Cowher didn't have a history in KC, people would be arguing that he accomplished nothing until Roethlisberger fell into his lap.

If this were 1997, I'd be all over Cowher.

It's not.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9260739)

I actually did point out his prolific offenses in Minnesota. But not because I think he's some kind of offensive guru.

The guy is an effective manager, understands both sides of the football, and most importantly, has shown that he can take ANYTHING you give him and win with it.

He's the only guy on "the list" that doesn't have a pigeon hole. Cowher is a 3-4 zone blitz guy, Reid is WCO. I want a coach who will recognize and acquire TALENT and adjust the scheme to fit, not the other way around.