When was the last time you watched football? The nineties? You need a QB to win in today's game. The fact is, if you don't have a QB, any QB who could become a franchise QB is worth the number one pick.

Tell me how quicker feet were supposed to get him out of that first safety, dumbass.

My god, i hope he goes to the senior bowl to shut these reeruns up.

Just watched all of Geno's throws from the game... What was he supposed to do? The game plan was obviously not to go deep. He made a couple of mistakes: a bad throw on an out route, two overthrows out of the end zone, and holding on to the ball a tad too long on the fumble (that's a nitpick, though. Don't think those kinds of fumbles can be avoided.) His receivers dropped 5 balls or so andhe still had a good completion percentage. 9 ypa. Great audibles at the line. No interceptions.

Again, not saying this was a highlight game for him, but if that's his worst... Sign me up.

Two firsts for Cousins and Shanahan. Make it happen.

over 13,000 posts of trolling. Your schtick died out long ago, friend. Let it go.

Dear god please dont apply for the GM position.

Wtf are you talking about? I was agreeing with your post.

We all knew the trolls would come out after Geno had a bad game. Truth is he really didn't have that bad of a game. If his defense makes a couple stops he is right back in it.

The gameplan was awful, the refs were awful, the conditions were awful and he still went 16/24 200 yards with 2tds and 0ints

Personally I think the Geno supporters are the trolls at this point.

There's just too much evidence of the contrary.

Genos worst game is still better than anything we have had in kc since Green.

I don't even know why you're a chiefs fan. You must be some bitter old douche who became a skinny jean wearing poser in LA.

Go have a green tea and re think your life loser

Fish on

Not you, the LA clowndick

Easy.... I like green tea

I'm getting tired of defending Geno. You have to be 100 percent reeruned not to see this kids talent.

LAC wore out his Matt Cassel troll act, so he's moved onto bigger and better things.

I must say, I'm very honored that he chose Geno Smith and my thread specifically.

That's exactly how most reaches occur...

Answer true or false to the following questions.

I would rather have Cam Newton than Von Miller.
I would rather have Jake Locker than Von Miller.
I would rather have Christian Ponder than Von Miller.
I would rather have Andy Dalton than Von Miller.
I would rather have Collin Kaepernick than Von Miller.

Like always, the draft favorites are not determined until after the Scout Combine and the Bowl games.
I really don't see Geno in the conversation after Feb 26.
So many things will happen between now and Draft day and I'm sure there are dozen new names in consideration when it gets down to it.
There's no sense in getting all riled at this point. Unless of course you're a part of CP.

In our situation, i would probably say yes to be honest. No one is projected to be von miller esque though in this draft...

It's pathetic how you turned into Johnny Truman McTruefan this past year or so.

Don't give me this bullshit story about how you want a true QB just as much as the next guy. It's a ****ing lie to yourself.

Go lick Clark's ballsack for some season tickets you ****ing moron.

Well You haven't turned in anything, you've always been an idiot. Just more of 1 now on this issue. You talk way too much about dicks and balls- I think that's what you're really interested in...Slurpee.

False
False
False
False
False

:spock:

What would you happen to know about logic, exactly? ROFL

Geno Smith had chemistry and continuity with his offense and coach over the last few years.
Tyler Wilson had jack shit working with a lot of new players and at coach on his offense everywhere and still had a great year.

Can't wait for the Senior Bowl. Wilson is going to RAPE.

Wilson is shit too. Worthless senior bowl tells nobody nothing

I'm not the one cheering for a team that starts Matt Cassel and Brady Quinn at QB, then pooh-poohs all the ****ing QBs in an otherwise very solid year.

You're a starving goat farmer from a 3rd world country who would refuse a free meal at Applebee's because you heard they cook from frozen. That's what you are right now.

Season tickets are still available, Tex. Make sure you keep up with Tony Gonzalez's all-time records for a TE in our $10 game programs as you're tailgating with the best fans in the NFL!

Is Geno participating in the Senior Bowl?

Comparing Geno to Applebees.

The standard has been set.

So, in your opinion, who is worth the #1 overall?

You're good.

You're very good at this. Here I thought you had bottomed out.

Fantastic work.

Really?

Let's hear it.

Barkley/Random OT/DE is better than Geno.. /CP DICKbag losers

But it was nothing but screen passes! LMAO

Dumbasses

Exhibit Q. The Pinstripe Bowl.

Exhibit J. Every game pretty much since the Texas game.

Exhibit 14. Doug Williams

C'mon TEX, I'm seriously interested in who you think is the #1 overall pick.

You are so quick to criticize Geno for whatever reason is in your head, so quick to say he's not worth the #1 overall pick in this specific draft that you have to have an opinion on who is actually worth that pick. Especially for the Chiefs.

C'mon man...let's hear it.

Ten bucks says "if possible, trade down"

16/24
197 yards
66.7% completion
2 TDs
0 Ints
163.1 rating

In a ****ing blizzard while getting blitzed every single play.

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You lose dipshit.

-Holds onto the ball too long in the pocket looking for the right play.
-Always locks onto his 1st read. Goes through progressions like 25% of the time.
-Has trouble understanding how the defense is doing to counteract his offense and their blitz packages, especially good one's.
-Most of his passing yards are due to Bailey and Austin's YAC.
-Rarely looks off defenders and makes it easy for defenders to know where he is going a lot of the time.
-Gets too cocky and tries to force the ball into double teams too often.
-Hasn't shown the "it" factor.
-When a defense figures out his teams spread offense, he crumbles. Struggles to figure out what to do when he has to make adjustments.
-No elite leadership. Team doesn't follow his lead.

And goddamn. This guy is supposed to be a prodigy right? He's supposed to have a "superb" football IQ? He took advanced classes in school so he gets things better than everybody?

Well, he says here that he studied Syracuse's defensive coverage all summer long. So not only has he been studying for this game forever, he's played that defense twice and has plenty of experience and yet he still can't figure out WTF he's doing when he's playing them.

http://pittsburgh.sbnation.com/west-...pinstripe-bowl

His football IQ is drastically overrated by some on here.

vs Marshall 32/36 323 yards 88.9 cmp% 4TD 0INT 200.9 QBR
vs James Madison 34/39 411 yards 87.2 cmp% 5TD 0INT 218 QBR
vs Maryland 30/43 338 yards 69.8 cmp% 3TD 0INT 158.8 QBR
vs Baylor 45/51 656 yards 88.2 cmp% 8TD 0INT 248 QBR
at Texas 25/35 268 yards 71.4 cmp% 4TD 0INT 173.5 QBR
at Texas Tech 30/56 278 yards 53.6 cmp% 1TD 0INT 101.2 QBR
vs Kansas State 21/32 143 yards 65.6 cmp% 1TD 2INT 101 QBR
vs TCU 32/54 260 yards 59.3 cmp% 3TD 1INT 114 QBR
at Oklahoma State 36/54 364 yards 66.7 cmp% 2TD 0INT 135.5 QBR
vs Oklahoma 20/35 320 yards 57.1 cmp% 4TD 2INT 160.2 QBR
at Iowa State 22/31 236 yards 71 cmp% 2TD 0INT 156.2 QBR
vs Kansas 23/24 407 yards 95.8 cmp% 3TD 1INT 271.2 QBR
at Syracuse 16/24 197 yards 66.7 cmp% 2TD 0INT 163.1 QBR

Season 2012 350/490 4004 yards 71.4 cmp% 40TD 6INT 164.6
Season 2011 346/526 4385 yards 65.8 cmp% 31TD 7INT 152.6
Season 2010 241/372 2763 yards 64.8 cmp% 24TD 7INT 144.7

The Good:
- He's gotten consistently better every year he's been playing. More accurate, less mistakes and more consistent.
- He can make all the throws regardless of the weather.
- His offensive line was pretty bad today. Many of the times he didn't even get back in his drop before there was pressure right down on him.
- With no running game to speak of, he couldn't just hand it off to a big bruiser to get him the short yardage, he had to hope that Austin would get free or that he could make it work. WVU relies on passing 100%, always have under Holgerson and always will. They should've realized before halftime that the OLine was struggling they should've put in a TE to help block or a RB/FB to block more often. That'll get alot better in the NFL because he'll be able to fall back on our running game and packages that he just doesn't have in WVU.
- His scheme that his coaches gave him was a bigger problem than the weather.

The Bad:
- Pressure, he didn't handle it well. He blew up at the ref after the safety, his pocket presence was poor, and he didn't get rid of the ball when he needed to. He had the unfortunate truth that he knew people would be watching. It was the last game before the draft, last chance to prove his game readiness and leadership. He put the pressure on himself, as did the hype, and he didn't play a great game. So Kiper and McShay will say I told you so and he'll have to make big waves in the combine and senior bowl to get the attention back.

The bad thing is we have to take a chance on someone. Geno, Wilson, Bray, Barkley, whoever we take is a risk. The only thing we can do is hope that whichever risk we take will pan out. The bad news is we're the Chiefs, and QB's don't normally pan out. But before we get to April, lets just wait and hope that Monday brings us a clean slate.

Thanks for playing. You can grab a door prize on the way out.

Sac, it is nice to have you on my team for once.

His delivery is quick most of the time because he is throwing quick outs and he has a quick release. When he has to find plays on his own, he stands in the pocket forever.

Yeah he has done this. But not very often. He locks on his 1st read ALL THE TIME. Watch the OU game. Perfect proof of that.

He may be a hard worker, but he must not be understanding it, especially yesterday. He studies hard all summer and has played a team twice, but then he still struggles against that same defense? Not buying his football IQ.

Austin picked up 909 of his 1266 receiving yards after the catch (71.8% of his total receiving yards)

Bailey picked up 553 of his 1501 receiving yards after the catch (36.8% of his total receiving yards)

These two players account for 69.1% of Geno Smith's passing yards.

Really? Is that why good defenses are getting the best of him? He should have had 4 INT's in the OU game, but the DB dropped easy INT's that hit their hands. Easy INT's in the NFL.

Alright, I'll let you have this one. The same Texas defense that Landry Jones owned is the one Geno owned. :)

Most of Geno's stats against LSU were in the 2nd half against their prevent defense. OU should have had 4 INT's like I said.

Don't buy his leadership like everyone else. Not saying he's a horrible leader, but I think there are better leaders in this class than Geno.

Oh and Walter and Brooks info? Seriously?

I guess by this logic we shouldn't touch Geno with the number 1 pick because he's the 17th ranked player on Bucky's board as of 2 weeks ago.

http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap10...otball#photo=9

Would look pretty stupid if we took the 17th ranked player at #1 overall, wouldn't ya say?

Not at all. Your and idiot if you discount the value of a QB in the current league.

Because that worked out so well for other teams.

Wonder if the Jags would trade their suckass QB they picked out of need for another player? Perhaps the one taken after him...some guy named JJ Watt?

Think maybe the Vikes would trade suckass Ponder for another pick that year after their pick like idk, like any of the 5 players drafted directly after their QB?

I'm not saying Geno is the 17th best prospect, but if he is the 17th ranked prospect on our new GM's board then we better not be picking his ass out of need 1st overall in April.
Any QB would have to have some serious flaws to be ranked that low on the big board for the 1st overall pick.

Those guys may not have worked out, but I applaud those teams for taking the shot.

I'd rather swing and miss on a QB that be afraid to risk the chance.

You don't have a QB, you don't have a chance.

If the top rated QB is the 17th rated player, and you don't have a QB, you take that ****ing QB.

****! We just ran 300+ yards against the Colts and LOST! How could you not realize that we need a ****ing QB regardless of draft value? You gotta try or you won't succeed.

We severely reached on Tyson Jackson. I wonder what he was on Bucky's board when we took him 5th overall; but people still gave him 3 years before determining he was a POS. Oh no, but when a QB comes into discussion everyone shits themselves talking about the value of the ****ing pick.

Sackopoo is absolutely clowning Run. Nice job man.

I applaud LAChiefsfan for his ability to reel in fish after fish after fish

This thread might as well die and be locked up if Pioli comes back.

Too many people hate Geno Smith anyway. The trolls are amusing though.

Look, I know you like your boy Wilson, but you gotta stop this stuff. You don't look very good when you keep trying to make these points and contridict just about everyone out there. There is so much game tape on Geno for everyone to see that most people who know what they are looking at get it, they understand that he's a very, very good QB prospect.

I like Wilson. I think he's a gamer and a tough kid.

But to be objective about it, Geno is a better prospect.

And I'm going to tell you straight up, there isn't a better player in this class as a football player than Geno, especially when you factor in the importance of the position.

There is no Calvin Johnson. No Pat Willis. No Alex Mack. No Von Miller. I'm sorry, but there is not. Next year, South Carolina's Jadeveon Clowney will be that guy - and only him. He's an absolute prodigy as a 43 defensive end. But there isn't "that guy" in this draft.

IMO, Geno Smith is the best football player in this draft.

I've always been on your team.

Unless you wanted Mark Sanchez or Jimmy Clausen. Then we had issues.

Sad thing is, people don't even bother watching the tape because they don't want their opinions changed. I'm talking to a number of these ****ing douche bags right now. It's like talking to bricks.

oh no, it risky....

And that's the thing that puzzles me about the Geno detractors (which in itself puzzles me as he's been a solid guy who's put up ridiculous numbers his whole career who's also a film rat - the guy is a model for what you want in a high level NFL prospect college QB).

Geno has been a three year starter with superb numbers who's allowed to audible and change plays at WVU. He was a prep All-American at the position where he designed the plays as a starter his junior and senior years.

The guy has immense experience at the position. IMO, his floor is very high and his ceiling is elite.

The only explanation is that it's a post-Andrew Luck draft. Guys can't possible fathom that any QB will be "that" good after Luck and what Griffin and Russell have done in their rookie year in the NFL. A bit of a positional hangover if you will.

But, like I said, I truly believe that Geno Smith is the best football player in this draft regardless of position.

Geno isn't going to be a good NFL QB. KC fans wanting to draft him is more of why KC is where they are...

http://www.hchs.hunter.cuny.edu/wiki...OLWUT_Pear.jpg

Wait...wanting to draft a QB in the first round, something that Kansas City hasn't done for 30 years, is why KC is where they are?

Congratulations. You've just earned a very well deserved neg and the title of:

"Chiefs Planet Dumbass of the Day"

Prepare to be negged.

you're a rape baby, right?

I wake up to reading this completely ****ing stupid comment. It's going to be a great day.

Now shove a railroad spike up your ass and waterboard yourself.

Rape is heading your way.

I've passed out so much red lately.

If you are a Chiefs fan and don't want them drafting a QB #1, then please either go follow another team or go see how many times you can kill yourself, not necessarily in that order either.

Those types of moran fans are why this team is ok with not drafting a QB in the 1st rd for 30 ****ing years, or going to the SB in 40 years.

That is why it is called a no brainer. If you don't get it, you have no brain.

I swear, we need to have a scratch and sniff at the bottom of this pool of futility.

Do you ****ing realize how hard it is to find a JJ Watt in the top of the first round compared to a QB? If it were that easy, the Chiefs would have 1000 JJ Watts on the goddamn team.

We currently don't have a QB BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T EVEN TRIED TO ****ING FIND ONE.

Give me more tired sports cliches. They don't make you sound like a ****ing idiot at all.

Have some neg juice you clown douche (I'm not a rapper)

How are there SO MANY clueless, dumbass Chiefs fans out there?

Damnit, I thought this fan base was smarter than this.

There's your problem right there.

What a disappointing bowl season for QB evaluation. Geno has his worst game of his season, Barkley isn't going to risk an injury without having a shot at the national title, no Wilson, no Bray. KC fans can be captivated watching Landry Jones in a few days.

Can you imagine the melt down on CP if we had even drafted Watt? Not that there was a chance anyway as he went 11 and we drafted 26.

Though, a case could have been made for Muhammed Wilkerson instead of Baldwin. But that would have been another complete meltdown.

Actually, in hindsight for the 2011 draft, they probably should have drafted Wisniewski for center instead of Baldwin and picked Hudson and left him at guard.

But, at the time of the draft, Baldwin probably made the most sense due to the tremendous lack of depth at the WR position that the Chiefs had. And I think that with a QB that can get the ball downfield, Baldwin still has some value to this team.

Baldwin cant get open versus anyone. Unless he gets his shit together, it wont matter if Geno can get the ball down the field, when all Baldwin does is fail to get separation and jump up and TRY a one handed catch, which he has yet to make except in practice.

Lots of Chiefs fans like to say all of them Baldwin, McCluster, Moeaki, Breaston are busts but I'm pretty sure if we draft Geno and he is decent right from the start, one or two of those receivers will really emerge.

If our GM has Geno rated 17th on his big board, there's something ****ing wrong with Geno.

The fact of that matter is that Buck Brooks word is being taken as gospel by Sac. So I guess since his word is being taken as gospel, Bucky must be right that Geno is the 17th rated prospect in the draft.

And if a QB is rated as the 17 best prospect on your big board, yeah 16 players in front of him, than that says you don't believe he's very good and you're a ****ing dumbass to take him with the first pick.

This year has really brought out the reeruns.

Do you realize how ****ing stupid you ****ing sound right now?

It's called position value you ****ing idiot.

And that's ignoring all the arbitrary rankings you're throwing out of your butthole right now. Again, these reeruns had RGIII not even in the top 20 overall players at this time last year.

Get raped.

The sad thing is, if we draft Geno and he sucks the same homers will claim "he isn't being used right" "he has no WR's" "Oline sucks" "OC sucks"...etc. Geno has really brainwashed some of you folks, it's quite sad.

EDIT - seriously, is this SNR idiot Geno's brother, or does he just have a raging boner for him? Good God you are a whiny bitch when someone questions Geno. You little punk.

I'm not sure you understand what a quick release is. It has nothing to do with how long he holds on to the ball. A QB's release is the time from when they identify their target and start their wind up, to the time the ball leaves their hand. Some QB's have a quick effortless release, even downfield, and others have long wind up baseball pitcher type releases ala Cassel and Leftwich.

Geno has a very quick release.

The best argument for this is, look at his completion percentage, 71%, who cares. He goes to his first target b/c he can.


Duh. What exactly is a guy playing behind a Swiss cheese line against a top ten tackles for loss defense supposed to do? All he could do is drop back, and hope he didn't get creamed.

What's your point? Yes Tavon and Bailey took short passes a long distance from time to time. More often though, Geno hit them 30yds downfield behind the defense where nobody could tackle them unless they were caught from behind. If Geno hits Tavon at the 50 from his own 20, and Tavon takes it the remaining 50 untouched, 50 of 80 yards being after the catch is the majority, but no less impressive for Geno.

That doesn even account for how well Geno leads receivers on slants and crossing routes, allowing them to catch the ball in stride and run for Big gains.



Most games, he played well enough to win in, the 106th ranked defense let WV down more than Geno ever did. He did have bad games though, every QB does.