Originally Posted by wazu (Post 18056500)

FYI - In this draft that just happened Veach traded down in the first round and added one of those mid-round picks you like as part of it.

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 18056430)

This is weird to me. Let me lay it out…

Eagles: “Yo Chiefs, can we move up 1 spot?”

Chiefs: “Are you taking offense or defense?”

Eagles: “Defense.”

Chiefs: “Ok, deal.”

…WHY would the Eagles move forward with that trade if we had indicated to them we were taking offense. To clarify, when we asked offense or defense, and they responded defense, to which we responded “ok”… we made it clear we were taking offense. So, why didn’t the Eagles just say "never mind,” “no deal,” after they learned we wouldn’t take their defensive target?

Originally Posted by louie aguiar (Post 18056369)

Video from eagles war room of the trade down that netted us the 5th round pick

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">How Brett Veach got the free 5th round pick from the Eagles, which we traded to get Jeffrey Bassa, while trading back to get Josh Simmons. Would love to hear the Veach side of this convo ��<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a> <a href="https://t.co/uDPQzqA4ZS">pic.twitter.com/uDPQzqA4ZS</a></p>&mdash; Chief Concerns (@ConcernsChief) <a href="https://twitter.com/ConcernsChief/status/1919783916275134951?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 6, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18056453)

"168. Last one...obviously..."

I'll give you that one, Howie. That's a damn fine burn right there.

Originally Posted by fuzzy (Post 18056492)

I wish we would acquire more mid round picks. We only have 6 picks next year. Might be 7 because we are projected to receive a 7th round comp pick for 2026 draft.

I prefer to trade down unless you are targeting QB, Tackle, EDGE or DT. Due to positional value, it does make sense to take a risk and trade away picks to acquire a starter at any of those positions.

But I have to say, in general I'm not a fan of trading up for a receiver, corner, Linebacker, Tight End, Interior OL, etc. (yes I realize it worked out with the McDuffie trade). There is simply too much value to be found in rounds 2 through 5 for non premium positions.

For some reason Veach hates trading down. There is a lot of value in a round 2 through 5 pick if you aren't taking a QB, Tackle or Pass Rusher.

Originally Posted by louie aguiar (Post 18056369)

Video from eagles war room of the trade down that netted us the 5th round pick

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">How Brett Veach got the free 5th round pick from the Eagles, which we traded to get Jeffrey Bassa, while trading back to get Josh Simmons. Would love to hear the Veach side of this convo ��<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a> <a href="https://t.co/uDPQzqA4ZS">pic.twitter.com/uDPQzqA4ZS</a></p>&mdash; Chief Concerns (@ConcernsChief) <a href="https://twitter.com/ConcernsChief/status/1919783916275134951?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 6, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 18056531)

Don't we already have SEVEN due to the Thuney trade?

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 18056531)

Don't we already have SEVEN due to the Thuney trade?

Originally Posted by tyton75 (Post 18056600)

we are still getting a 6th for Hopkins loss in Free Agency though

Originally Posted by tyton75 (Post 18056600)

we are still getting a 6th for Hopkins loss in Free Agency though

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 18056430)

This is weird to me. Let me lay it out…

Eagles: “Yo Chiefs, can we move up 1 spot?”

Chiefs: “Are you taking offense or defense?”

Eagles: “Defense.”

Chiefs: “Ok, deal.”

…WHY would the Eagles move forward with that trade if we had indicated to them we were taking offense. To clarify, when we asked offense or defense, and they responded defense, to which we responded “ok”… we made it clear we were taking offense. So, why didn’t the Eagles just say "never mind,” “no deal,” after they learned we wouldn’t take their defensive target?

Originally Posted by fuzzy (Post 18056492)

I wish we would acquire more mid round picks. We only have 6 picks next year. Might be 7 because we are projected to receive a 7th round comp pick for 2026 draft.

I prefer to trade down unless you are targeting QB, Tackle, EDGE or DT. Due to positional value, it does make sense to take a risk and trade away picks to acquire a starter at any of those positions.

But I have to say, in general I'm not a fan of trading up for a receiver, corner, Linebacker, Tight End, Interior OL, etc. (yes I realize it worked out with the McDuffie trade). There is simply too much value to be found in rounds 2 through 5 for non premium positions.

For some reason Veach hates trading down. There is a lot of value in a round 2 through 5 pick if you aren't taking a QB, Tackle or Pass Rusher.

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 18056619)

It can be nice if you are confident you can get contributing players anywhere in those rounds. But Veach is already among the best GMs in finding those mid-late round gems. Sure, it’s great to add one or two extra Jaylen Watsons or Mike Dannas, but if you’re already bringing in plenty of those guys, it’s way better to take a bigger shot on a player you’re more confident in becoming a stud.

Would you trade Jaylen Watson and Mike Danna for another Trent McDuffie? I sure as hell would.

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 18056619)

It can be nice if you are confident you can get contributing players anywhere in those rounds. But Veach is already among the best GMs in finding those mid-late round gems. Sure, it’s great to add one or two extra Jaylen Watsons or Mike Dannas, but if you’re already bringing in plenty of those guys, it’s way better to take a bigger shot on a player you’re more confident in becoming a stud.

Would you trade Jaylen Watson and Mike Danna for another Trent McDuffie? I sure as hell would.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18056623)

Wouldn't a more fair question (seeing as how we had to trade up with a 1st) be "Would you trade Jaylen Watson, Mike Danna and George Karlaftis for Trent McDuffie"?

Because you didn't give up a 5th and a 6th to move up there. You gave up those picks AND a 1st, around where Karlaftis was taken, to make that move.

So if you don't have a spare 1st (and we rarely will) then that's the more fair comparison.

It does become a pretty close question at that point...no?

I still do it -- we get the best guy in that deal. But it's not exactly slam dunk, especially had Watson and Danna been able to stay healthy last season.