This not a revamped D, DV has as much to do with it than you care to admit!
 

Last time I checked the majority of the players on D were here last year.

Given that DV was not here this past off season, you can't predict which players he would or wouldn't have drafted. Also CP would have had input so Hali probably would have been drafted and potential the other rookies that made the roster as well.

Law would have also been pursued and acquired given our prospects in being a playoff team.

The D was a work in progress and DV was big part of it.

Now that he and AS are gone all their naysayers are coming out claiming the D is great now they are gone. Not fair.

I'm happy the D is finally turned the corner, but don't give all the credit to Herm. Give his DV some credit for leaving some kind of solid base to work from.

Unfortunately, DV and AS left with our O's keys and we can't get it out of the garage.

If DV/AS were still here we would be 2-0 going into our bye week.

What reason could you possibly have to validate living another day?...

so DV is also the reason the O fell apart then
the backups are his

Are you stupid?

That would seem logical, wouldn't it.

Exactly!!!

No DV/AS are not here to run it.

Ever stopped to think about why they aren't here?

Not quite true. This year's D has more talent than any D during the Vermeil-era. Even compared to last year, this year's D has the likes of Ty Law, Tamba Hali, James Reed, Ron Edwards, Pollard/Page.

1963 was happy with our season last year.

You can shoot all the conjecture you want about who we would have drafted, but the fact remains that none of them would have seen the field. Vermeil did not play rookies. Period. So even if he was on the roster, Hali would not have started; Hicks would have. Page wouldn't have been playing for Knight or in the nickel packages. Odds are he wouldn't have even made the roster, as a 7th round pick.I'm not sure how you can say that. Law came primarily because Herm was here, from everything I've seen.

Lenny Walls would not have been here, certainly. Because his biggest fan, David Gibbs wouldn't have been coaching here. And make no mistake, he was a big part of today's game.It's not about Vermeil being gone, it's about Vermeil's pack of Robinson leftover defensive coaches being gone. We have a new LB coach, Don Blackmon. We have a new DL coach, Tim Krumrie. Again, David Gibbs is the new DB coach.

That's the reason things have changed, as much or even more than Herm's arrival and imput on defense. All the stooges are gone.You sound like Proctor about 5 years ago saying the success of our fancy new offense was all due to Gunther.

It was as reeruned then as it is now.We've gone from the realm of discussion to fantasyland now. You realize that Vermeil never won a game in Denver? Ever? With any team, here or elsewhere?

Not likely...

LMAO

It's good to see that you get progressively dumber every season.

DV would be 2-0? Dick Vermeil never won a ****ing game in Denver. He really never even came close, but he would have won with our backup QB that hasn't played a down in 5 years?

He would have won with Damon Huard? Is that what you really think?

Vermeil had NOTHING ever to do with our defense. Ever. He's said on numerous occasions that he had nothing to do with the defense - that it wasn't his thing.

Posts like yours truly piss me off because they have ZERO basis.

Our O-keys took off with Trent Green's head injury last week and Willie Roaf. I guess you must have forgotten last year's whopping 10 points with your boys Al and Dick and they had the luxury of Trent Green.

Herm deserves the credit for this defense turning around. They are 100x more fundamentally sound than any Dick Vermeil defense.

What about Buffalo last year against the vaunted Bills defense?

Were they there to run it then?

Seriously, find a clue somewhere.