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pugsnotdrugs19 01-24-2019 08:42 PM

Steve Spagnuolo: The Man with Four Aces Up His Sleeve
 
PREFACE: This SI article is from December of 2016, so it's not brand new. But I do think it is very insightful and worth the read for KC fans.

LINK: https://www.si.com/mmqb/2016/12/27/n...ve-coordinator

ARTICLE:

Spoiler!

chiefzilla1501 01-24-2019 08:46 PM

The 2016 defense may have been overranked. But there's no disputing they were very very good. There are more than enough "holy shit" complaints about McAdoo losing his locker room the year after to fairly question if Spagnuolo would have been successful on defense in 2017 behind a competent head coach.

I'm not giving him a free pass. But I'm going to use this as my reason for optimism.

Reerun_KC 01-24-2019 08:46 PM

Lets hope rehash doesnt bring up 4 jokers...

BleedingRed 01-24-2019 08:47 PM

And 3 top 10 defenses in his entire career

pugsnotdrugs19 01-24-2019 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 14070788)
And 3 top 10 defenses in his entire career

Just read the ****ing article.

Indian Chief 01-24-2019 08:54 PM

I'm not in love with the hire from the standpoint that it was a super-safe and predictable Andy move. However, I have to defend Spagnuolo here. There are three times in his career that you look and say, "wow that was bad." His time with the Saints, being HC of the Rams, and the last year in NY.

1.The Saints situation has been well documented. That was bounty-gate and the team was a mess.

2. He is certainly responsible for the Rams disaster, but let's be honest, that team was going in the tank. I also think he was in over his head -- one of the batch of good coordinator, bad head coach.

3. The last year with the Giants is where I really give him a pass. Living in NJ I heard every little detail on a day-by-day basis. That team was a mess and flat out quit on McAdoo. McAdoo was a mess and completely lost that team.

BleedingRed 01-24-2019 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 14070791)
Just read the ****ing article.

Dude I did,

I watch a shit load of football, the Giants spent 200 Million in one offseason on defense....

petegz28 01-24-2019 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 14070811)
Dude I did,

I watch a shit load of football, the Giants spent 200 Million in one offseason on defense....

If they players quit on the head coach then how much $ you spend doesn't really matter.

FloridaMan88 01-24-2019 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Chief (Post 14070804)
I'm not in love with the hire from the standpoint that it was a super-safe and predictable Andy move. However, I have to defend Spagnuolo here. There are three times in his career that you look and say, "wow that was bad." His time with the Saints, being HC of the Rams, and the last year in NY.

1.The Saints situation has been well documented. That was bounty-gate and the team was a mess.

2. He is certainly responsible for the Rams disaster, but let's be honest, that team was going in the tank. I also think he was in over his head -- one of the batch of good coordinator, bad head coach.

3. The last year with the Giants is where I really give him a pass. Living in NJ I heard every little detail on a day-by-day basis. That team was a mess and flat out quit on McAdoo. McAdoo was a mess and completely lost that team.

The problem is you just summarized the past 10 years of Spags' career as an NFL DC.

Other than in 2016 when he was the DC of the $200 million free agent spending spree built Giants defense, he hasn't done jack shit in 10 years.

Chiefnj2 01-24-2019 09:27 PM

Contrast with this from the Saints:

But one unnamed player is laying plenty of blame at the feet of defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo, who watched his unit surrender 7,042 yards (breaking the 1981 Baltimore Colts' record for season-long ineptitude by 249 yards).

According to the anonymous defender, Spagnuolo's personality was as problematic as his work on the whiteboard.

"He does have that good-guy persona, but he is a control freak and treats people like crap," is how the player described his boss to The (New Orleans) Times-Picayune's Larry Holder. "No patience and zero personality. Has a way of pissing players and our defensive coaches off with how he says and does things. (I) think it's even harder after having (former defensive coordinator) Gregg (Williams), who guys enjoyed."


The unit appears to have a solid pedigree with former Pro Bowlers Roman Harper, Will Smith and Jonathan Vilma and rising talents such as Curtis Lofton (who supports Spagnuolo), Cam Jordan and Malcolm Jenkins.

"It was his first year putting it in, and everything we went through, yeah, I'm a firm believer in the system," Lofton said. "I think it's a complicated system, but at the same time it has an answer for everything an offense does. We will be successful in the future. ... Yes, there is some thinking that goes into it before the play and during the play, but once you've got a grasp to it, I really think this is a great system."

Lofton's disgruntled compatriot clearly disagrees.

"To give up what we gave up can't be all talent. Look at where his units (have) been ranked before. I think one top 10?" said the player, who offered that Spagnuolo should be fired.

"Players have no say in anything," he added. "It was (a) complete opposite from before where it was a simple D that players had lot of control and say. We couldn't suggest (expletive). ... Nothing ever changed. It was his way only.


"Don't even get me started on lack (of) ability to adjust during games. Bad, bad, bad."

Spagnuolo has been on a bad run since famously devising the defensive game plan the 2007 New York Giants cited as instrumental in their upset of the previously unbeaten New England Patriots in Super Bowl XLII.

But Spagnuolo hasn't experienced a playoff victory since and joined the Saints in 2012 after presiding over a three-year head-coaching tenure in St. Louis when the Rams went 10-38. After his departure from the Rams, he also was accused of heavy-handedness.

Reerun_KC 01-24-2019 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 14070846)
The problem is you just summarized the past 10 years of Spags' career as an NFL DC.

Other than in 2016 when he was the DC of the $200 million free agent spending spree built Giants defense, he hasn't done jack shit in 10 years.

Im nick naming him Rehash....

BryanBusby 01-24-2019 09:30 PM

Bob Sutton: "**** I only had 3 aces........oh well *rushes 3 on 3rd down*"

Sassy Squatch 01-24-2019 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 14070857)
Contrast with this from the Saints:

But one unnamed player is laying plenty of blame at the feet of defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo, who watched his unit surrender 7,042 yards (breaking the 1981 Baltimore Colts' record for season-long ineptitude by 249 yards).

According to the anonymous defender, Spagnuolo's personality was as problematic as his work on the whiteboard.

"He does have that good-guy persona, but he is a control freak and treats people like crap," is how the player described his boss to The (New Orleans) Times-Picayune's Larry Holder. "No patience and zero personality. Has a way of pissing players and our defensive coaches off with how he says and does things. (I) think it's even harder after having (former defensive coordinator) Gregg (Williams), who guys enjoyed."


The unit appears to have a solid pedigree with former Pro Bowlers Roman Harper, Will Smith and Jonathan Vilma and rising talents such as Curtis Lofton (who supports Spagnuolo), Cam Jordan and Malcolm Jenkins.

"It was his first year putting it in, and everything we went through, yeah, I'm a firm believer in the system," Lofton said. "I think it's a complicated system, but at the same time it has an answer for everything an offense does. We will be successful in the future. ... Yes, there is some thinking that goes into it before the play and during the play, but once you've got a grasp to it, I really think this is a great system."

Lofton's disgruntled compatriot clearly disagrees.

"To give up what we gave up can't be all talent. Look at where his units (have) been ranked before. I think one top 10?" said the player, who offered that Spagnuolo should be fired.

"Players have no say in anything," he added. "It was (a) complete opposite from before where it was a simple D that players had lot of control and say. We couldn't suggest (expletive). ... Nothing ever changed. It was his way only.


"Don't even get me started on lack (of) ability to adjust during games. Bad, bad, bad."

Spagnuolo has been on a bad run since famously devising the defensive game plan the 2007 New York Giants cited as instrumental in their upset of the previously unbeaten New England Patriots in Super Bowl XLII.

But Spagnuolo hasn't experienced a playoff victory since and joined the Saints in 2012 after presiding over a three-year head-coaching tenure in St. Louis when the Rams went 10-38. After his departure from the Rams, he also was accused of heavy-handedness.

Yikes. Some of that is pretty ugly.

'Hamas' Jenkins 01-24-2019 09:35 PM

I always apply this test: How would you feel if the Raiders or Broncos hired Steve Spanuolo as their DC?

pugsnotdrugs19 01-24-2019 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 14070869)
I always apply this test: How would you feel if the Raiders or Broncos hired Steve Spanuolo as their DC?

I wouldn’t be sure because he’s had such a wide variety of results. Same as I feel right now.


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