Ryan Braun tests positive for PED
 

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/...enhancing-drug

He's facing a 50 game suspension.

Wow.

Damn. I liked the guy too.

**** him. He should be stripped of the MVP award.

Matt Kemp got ****ed outta MVP. Take that shit away.

Maybe now these stupid BBWAA writers will realize that the "Steroid Era" never really ended. It just changed. Braun certainly isn't the only elite hitter that's still using, he's just the one that got caught.

If this is true, he probably should lose the MVP.

This.

He just got stupid and didn't cycle right.

LMAO
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what a loser

Yep...just like Manny did. Twice. LMAO

This x 100.

LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO

So does this mean he can't make the HOF, then? That seems to be the current stupid policy of the baseball writers, though I'm guessing that will change down the road when they realize how many players used and are still using PEDs.

I say just let all of them use. Raise the mound a foot,give them aluminum bats, push the fences back to 500 plus everywhere.

So now if he hits 60 or 70 home runs...

I have absolutely no problem with baseball players using PEDs. Never have. Makes the games more entertaining and the players play at a higher level.

He won't be doing it next year for my fantasy team (he's a keeper of mine), that's for sure. You get a 50 game suspension these days.

He is my keeper too! Well, not anymore with a 50 game suspension.

Honestly I could care less.

He's too good a player in the future for me to let him go over 50 games, but your format may be different than mine.

What a joke. Kemp got hosed

Well I have Justin Upton on my team too, who I could easily keep. I only get 1 keeper.

What is your format?

6 keepers a season, 14 teams.

Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha...

He prolly bought them from the head-case!!! F*** you ZG... Now you're teamed-up with cheaters too. DIAF you piece of S***!!!

I sense some anger towards Zack Greinke here.

I always hated that douchebag ****. As if the Affliction-ripoff company wasn't enough, now he's added more ammo.

**** that guy.

There are only two ways Braun can get out of this. He either needs to scientifically prove that the test was a false positive (which might be hard since a follow-up test showed synthetic testosterone), he was re-tested a few weeks later which came back negative. That second test is not necessarily relevant, but he's arguing that the difference between the extremely high first result and the extremely low second result was so big, that it proves a false positive. I don't know the science behind this, I assume the folks at the lab will explain what happened and why Braun's argument is or is not valid.

If that doesn't work, Braun would have to prove that food or supplements he was taken was tampered with by someone else without his knowledge. Baseball has a strict liability policy, meaning that not knowing something you were taking had a bad substance is no excuse, you have to show you were not carelessly consuming stuff without knowing what is in it. The only way to successfully appeal, aside from attacking the test result, is to basically prove that someone spiked your food. Good luck with that argument.

Yeah he's not getting out of this.

He's basically going to have to resort to the same arguments that every other athlete who's ever gotten caught with high testosterone uses. It usually doesn't work out.

no, not really. Its different now, baseball has a stricter policy. The standard barry bonds argument was that his trainer was injecting stuff into him that he assumed was legal, and he foolishly trusted his trainer to not give him something illegal. Maybe you could show you did not intentionally take something.

Now, baseball is saying "ok, you know what, we don't care if you didn't intend to take something, it is your job to know exactly what you are consuming. Unless something crazy or nefarious happens like someone secretly spiking your food, we don't want to hear any excuses"

I said athletes, not baseball players. Those arguments you cited are the ones that guys who get caught in any sport ALWAYS use.

And Barry Bonds was never caught on a drug test. The argument he made was in court.

Its also dangerous, especially in the levels used. So you're essentially telling players they have to put their lives on the line to keep up. Baseball is a sport that deals heavily in records. PEDs make the record books meaningless, in essense making baseball meaningless. To me pitching duels can be exciting. I don't like too much offense. The new rules in football make me remember a time when defense was exciting.

Next up.... Jose Bautista.

Steroids are no more dangerous for you than any number of legal drugs in this country that are currently available for anybody to use.

I've personally been waiting for Albert Pujols to slip up forever.

LMAO

I would also add

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-bHddHPEs-X...lson_haha2.png

Do they let players use them when they rehab a major injury?

jenladaJen Lada


From OTL: Source says Braun requested 2nd test. 2nd test not positive. Those close to RB believe difference will show 1st test was invalid.

The first test was mistakenly swapped with Pujols' vile.

Just like JA. Good players who leave KC teams (and I don't care why or how justified it appears to be) can die in a fire as far as I'm concerned. They're all a bunch of quitting bassterdz!!! So yeah, Zach "the ball sack" can KMA and die in a fire for all I care!

Ahh, fair enough, I was only thinking about baseball. I wonder how often athletes around the world beat back a positive test. I think I read about some soccer player or maybe its some other sport beating a test by showing that he ate tainted meat and they decided it would be unfair to punish him for that. Other than that? probably never.

Yeah. And occasionally there's a mistake made by the testers (which almost everybody tries to argue), but it's rare.

If I read the article correctly, his urine was tested twice. It's highly unlikely 2 different labs made the same mistake.

ESPN acting recklessly.... what a surprise.

When Shawne Merriman tested positive, he said he was suing the supplement company that gave him the stuff claiming they didn't list certain ingredients or something like that.

That lawsuit never happened.

It's funny how nobody cares at all about PED use in football, but in baseball, it's some kind of huge travesty when somebody gets caught.

vial.

Potato. Potahto.

Urine is pretty vile.

the way its looking, he wont make it based on the voters. what an idiot

That's because in baseball it has been some of the highest profile people in the sport getting caught.

McGwire, Bonds, Sosa, A-Rod, etc. Braun may not be a household name, but he was the NL MVP this past year.

If someone like Rodgers, Brady or Manning got caught taking steroids there would be a similar uproar.

about right

No, it's all about the precious records. Nobody really cares too much about the football ones, but they are a spank bank to baseball fans.

Except those are prescribed by doctors with controlled use. Steroids are provided by essentially drug dealers.

Yea and since steroids are illegal, buying them off drug dealers is definitely risky. Numerous reports on the internet of guys buying 'roids that actually turn out to be cat piss and other such things.

Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal
Source: Braun tested positive for a prohibited substance, not a performance-enhancing drug. More coming on FOXSports.com. #Brewers #MLB

I thought he tested positive for synthetic testosterone?

wait, what? I thought it was synthetic testosterone, not MJ or something like that

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/R...pension-121111

Rosenthal's source has clarified that, though not a PED, he tested positive for something that violates the Steroid/PED policy, and that no one has ever tested positive for this substance in the history of MLB's testing program.

So, if it is not a PED, and is not a recreational drug, and no one in baseball has ever tested positive for it before, but does trigger a violation of the steroid policy, what the hell is it?

The source went on to say:

But, until someone other than Braun or someone being paid by Braun says that, I'll dismiss that as PR-speak.

Some people are thinking maybe he was positive for a masking agent, which is basically the same as testing positive for PED's as far as the rules are concerned, for obvious reasons. Others on the internet are thinking maybe he tested positive for a stimulant, which would be a 25-game suspension instead of a 50-game.

He drank a Surge and Jolt Cola just before his test.

A story on cnn uses slightly different wording from the original report which might be a clue. The story on cnn said the first test showed high levels of testosterone, triggering the second test, which showed a synthetic substance. (The ESPN report said synthetic testosterone) That may imply rather than taking synthetic testosterone (which would make him guilty as hell), maybe he took something else, which as a side-effect led to higher natural testosterone.

Assuming that is the case, if it is a substance known to lead to higher natural testosterone, he's still guilty unless it was a medically necessary prescription. If it is a substance not known to lead to higher testosterone, and we are only now discovering that it does do that, then he might get out of it and this substance could be added to the banned list.

That is all wild speculation in an effort to make sense of Rosenthal's cryptic source given the report, it might just be lazy editing by CNN.

Few more details.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba...ticle-1.990020

The test result for testosterone was "insanely high", twice the level of anyone else who has ever failed the test in the entire history of that test. Not just among baseball players, but from anyone that they knew about who ever took that test in the world.

Aside from pointing at the insanely-high result as an indication that the test result in this case could be flawed, Braun's people are also going to argue that there were chain-of-custody issues with the samples.

Damn. I wonder what level he tested at.

couple the "insanely high" result with the alleged chain of custody problems, and one may be tempted to think of conspiracy theories.

I guess he actually was being treated for herpes.

It's hard for me to believe he was doping when you've got a test that was off the charts insane followed immediately by a negative test.

Braun might be the first person to win an appeal on a positive test.

Did you not see my post?

He was being treated for herpes. It caused a spike in testosterone.

Read his post for crying out loud.

That's terrible. Either admit to the world that you were doping or admit that you have herpes. That's a no win situation of I ever heard one.
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I did. I'm telling him exactly what happened.

And you're getting this information from where? LMAO

There have been a number of ridiculous, bogus excuses I've heard for Braun's test (I certainly never heard such excuse making for Manny two years ago), but this might be the best one yet.

The Internet.

Yes, that contains very credible stuff like this: http://boards.ign.com/teh_vestibule/...7520393/p1/?16



A bit of advice that I'm sure you've heard before: don't believe everything you read on the Internet. Especially stuff that is so clearly nonsense.

Thanks for the advice.

Also, this just in, Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds had herpes in the early to mid 2000s.

No, they just took PEDs and became two of the greatest players in the sport's history. Like Braun was apparently trying to do.

I have enjoyed the excuse making over the past week, though. That herpes rumor is only the latest in a long line of bullshit. Baseball fans, on the whole, REALLY seem to want Braun to be PED-free. Keeps the illusion alive for them that the game is clean for a little bit longer, I guess.

What medication treates herpes that causes an increase in Test?

Doesn't suprise me. I never have liked the guy his attitude sucks. I don't like any of the Brewers and their attitude. Is 50 games enough how about 2 years.

It is probably because of him and Nijer Morgan sucking on each others....