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BossChief 11-29-2014 11:43 AM

Will we beat Denver?
 
I think we lose by multiple scores, but I can see us sneaking out a win if a few things happen.

1) Avery returning brings an added element to the offense and forces Denver to back their safeties up. This is an element they haven't seen on tape to prepare for and I wouldn't be surprised if we come out and test them deep a few times early on.

2) Avant is able to get us 3 or 4 first downs. Alex Smith has throw too many good passes that should have gone for first downs if the catch is secured. Hopefully Avant can give us what Dexter did last year down the stretch in terms of possession receiver.

3) Houston, Hali, Poe, Bailey and Ford find ways to pressure Manning and limit him to shorter throws.

4) Gaines/Smith finds a way to match up with their receivers. This will be the toughest test our secondary will face all year.

5) Our OL gives Alex time to find the open man and opens up a few holes for Charles and Davis.

6) Alex gets the ball to Kelce a lot more. This kid should be getting 7-10 targets every game.

7) As with any other game, win the turnover battle. We can't afford to cough up the ball against them and we will need to take it away a couple times, too.

8) Crowd noise. It needs to be loud as it can be to help our pass rush get Manning uncomfortable.

I guess I could list a lot more things we have going for u that can give us a chance to win this one, but it's gonna be tough.

Bugeater 11-29-2014 11:44 AM

No.

Lonewolf Ed 11-29-2014 11:46 AM

Who is this "Ford" person you speak of?

BossChief 11-29-2014 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lonewolf Ed (Post 11151742)
Who is this "Ford" person you speak of?

I'd bet real money that Sutton has some pass rush packages that include Ford that he hasn't shown yet and Dee Ford played really well in the bigger games in college. I can see him making an impact in this one.

Pasta Little Brioni 11-29-2014 11:52 AM

Multiple scores :spock:

RunKC 11-29-2014 11:58 AM

So much of this game will be determined by Phillip Gaines. He's the best matchup we have have for Emmanuel Sanders.
Take Sanders out of the game and we have a real chance.

Andy has 10 days to prepare. He's got a
A great record when he has extra time. I see a lot of new wrinkles from him and Avery/Avant are big upgrades over Jenkins and Hemmingway.

I think with the extra time, home SNF atmosphere, health of returning players, frustration from last weeks debacle, urgency for our playoff spot and finally the emotion we'll use for Berry, I think we win.

Denver 27
KC 31

SAUTO 11-29-2014 11:58 AM

We win.


Fitting for the chiefs after our last game...

Bowser 11-29-2014 11:59 AM

I think we have a chance, but I don't think it's going to happen.

bshmerlie 11-29-2014 12:00 PM

Chiefs win 24-17

Manning is removed from the game due to injury.

O.city 11-29-2014 12:05 PM

I don't think we match up with them very well at all, and they're better.

Close loss

Lonewolf Ed 11-29-2014 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11151750)
I'd bet real money that Sutton has some pass rush packages that include Ford that he hasn't shown yet and Dee Ford played really well in the bigger games in college. I can see him making an impact in this one.

I hope you are right, since it is starting to look like another wasted pick in the 1st round.

Three7s 11-29-2014 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bshmerlie (Post 11151775)
Chiefs win 24-17

Manning is removed from the game due to injury.

Yeah, no.

If the Chiefs are going to win this game, it is going to be with a ball-control offense. Keeping Manning off the field and not making stupid mistakes and penalties will be crucial. If the Chiefs control the game with their style of play, the Chiefs win 20-17. If they are unable to keep drives going and the defense stays on the field too long, the Broncos win 31-24.

stevieray 11-29-2014 12:07 PM

wish I could say I'm conficent...but I at least know we will be compettive, and that's nice to know.

Bowser 11-29-2014 12:09 PM

I think we hold a lead for about two and a half quarters, then Peyton will eviscerate us like he always does. I hate to say it, but I think that's what is going to happen. Peyton does that shit in 90% of his games with everyone.

I think the Chiefs will play inspired and will show some flaws with the Broncos, but when a team can trot out a QB that is arguably a top three to five QB in history, it's a hell of an equalizer.

BigMeatballDave 11-29-2014 12:12 PM

It really is as simple as the Chiefs sustaining drives and scoring TDs.

Well, and Reid not being stupid with play selection.

TribalElder 11-29-2014 12:13 PM

yes but it won't matter because they will still hold the tie breaker for first place in afc west

Bugeater 11-29-2014 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11151750)
I'd bet real money that Sutton has some pass rush packages that include Ford that he hasn't shown yet and Dee Ford played really well in the bigger games in college. I can see him making an impact in this one.

I thought we gave up on the coaches "holding things back" theories last year.

KCUnited 11-29-2014 12:17 PM

Sunday night in Arrowhead on some extra days to prep, against a division rival after losing your leader to some real life shit. I believe in extra motivation and am expecting an extremely inspired defensive performance tomorrow night. KC finally gets them.

O.city 11-29-2014 12:18 PM

It would be nice to just curb stomp them though.

Kman34 11-29-2014 12:19 PM

My heart says yes... but my head says no.... I think we need to be up two scores and have the ball with 5min to go. But still would be be nervous.

Bowser 11-29-2014 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 11151815)
Sunday night in Arrowhead on some extra days to prep, against a division rival after losing your leader to some real life shit. I believe in extra motivation and am expecting an extremely inspired defensive performance tomorrow night. KC finally gets them.

I hope this happens. If Julius Thomas can't go, our chances go up. If Thomas and Aqib Talib can't go, our chances go up exponentially.

Pasta Little Brioni 11-29-2014 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11151786)
I don't think we match up with them very well at all, and they're better.

Close loss

The first game didn't show that at all O. If they correctly call a fumble kc wins in pile high.

KCUnited 11-29-2014 12:22 PM

If we stay home, I like our chances.

Bugeater 11-29-2014 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 11151826)
The first game didn't show that at all O. If they correctly call a fumble kc wins in pile high.

Well if we have to rely on the refs making correct calls we're definitely screwed.

Molitoth 11-29-2014 12:22 PM

Nope.
Peyton manning.

Pasta Little Brioni 11-29-2014 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baconeater (Post 11151829)
Well if we have to rely on the refs making correct calls we're definitely screwed.

True ROFL

Pasta Little Brioni 11-29-2014 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 11151831)
Nope.
Peyton manning.

How's the weather? Key factor for that soft bitch.

stevieray 11-29-2014 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 11151836)
How's the weather? Key factor for that soft bitch.

cold.

stumppy 11-29-2014 12:30 PM

The Rams figured out how to hold them to 7 points. I would think Reid paid close attention to what was done during that game along with the Patriots game when 5 head was held to 21 points.
Going out on a limb but I think our defense holds them to 21 or less. That is a very winnable game for us especially at home.

Iconic 11-29-2014 12:31 PM

We will win... a lot of it will ride on how well our corners cover. Really unsure about Gaines on Sanders but I'm sure he'll get safety help. Think Welker is going to be a nightmare for us.

Pablo 11-29-2014 12:46 PM

Probably a seven to ten point loss if I'm guessing.

Mr. Laz 11-29-2014 12:51 PM

doubtful

I think we've beaten Manning once in his entire career. We've lost to him with more talent than this team has.

If we win it will be because of coaching.

Reid > Fox

Quesadilla Joe 11-29-2014 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 11151769)
Andy has 10 days to prepare. He's got a
A great record when he has extra time.1

KC played Denver after their bye last year and lost. The extra time to prepare doesn't really matter in divisional games because both teams know eachother so well.

Denver has played the Chiefs with Avery active multiple times. Having Avery will be inconsequential.

Pasta Little Brioni 11-29-2014 12:53 PM

Fox is a buffoon.

FlaChief58 11-29-2014 12:53 PM

I think we keep it close for 3 q, then manning pushes our shit in.

Donks 38
Chiefs 24

sd4chiefs 11-29-2014 12:56 PM

I bet $100 for a Denver win. They are D O O O O M E D!!!

Pasta Little Brioni 11-29-2014 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Herpe (Post 11151872)
KC played Denver after their bye last year and lost. The extra time to prepare doesn't really matter in divisional games because both teams know eachother so well.

Denver has played the Chiefs with Avery active multiple times. Having Avery will be inconsequential.

dumbass

RunKC 11-29-2014 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 11151869)
doubtful

I think we've beaten Manning once in his entire career. We've lost to him with more talent than this team has.

If we win it will be because of coaching.

Reid > Fox

We were curb stomping them last year but then Manning threw bombs by burning Flowers and Lewis deep. Hopefully our new CB's will be able to defend that bc they are much faster

B_Ambuehl 11-29-2014 12:59 PM

Teams that beat Manning tend to play a lot of zone or more complicated man/zone coverages. Chiefs defense is very simple and has never given him any trouble before. Chiefs could still win, but will likely entail an outlier perfomance from an Alex Smith from an offensive and points production standpoint.

Hootie 11-29-2014 01:01 PM

Our only shot is to have 3+ 7 minute scoring drives on offense

Quesadilla Joe 11-29-2014 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 11151884)
We were curb stomping them last year but then Manning threw bombs by burning Flowers and Lewis deep. Hopefully our new CB's will be able to defend that bc they are much faster

The CB's get beat deep because they jump the short routes. We set you up with the dink and dunk and then beat you with a double move when you least expect it.

Pasta Little Brioni 11-29-2014 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Herpe (Post 11151895)
The CB's get beat deep because they jump the short routes. We set you up with the dink and duck and then beat you with a double move duck when you least expect it.

Post 22

Quesadilla Joe 11-29-2014 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 11151900)
Post 22

Denver had an 80 yard TD and a pick six called back by penalties in that game...

Easy 6 11-29-2014 01:14 PM

My head says yes.
My heart says yes.
The law of averages says yes.

stevieray 11-29-2014 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Herpe (Post 11151905)
Denver had an 80 yard TD and a pick six called back by penalties in that game...

therefore, it wasn't an 80 yard TD and pick six. Signifies nothing.

RunKC 11-29-2014 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Herpe (Post 11151895)
The CB's get beat deep because they jump the short routes. We set you up with the dink and dunk and then beat you with a double move when you least expect it.

Speed at DB means they can recover. Flowers and Lewis were too slow

TimeForWasp 11-29-2014 01:22 PM

Big game for DAT

Fritz88 11-29-2014 01:24 PM

I we do the first 7 then we can win any game.

The key to this game is simply putting pressure on Manning.
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MMXcalibur 11-29-2014 01:25 PM

I have to believe that the entire team is lifted by Berry's plight and will come away with a win. The NFL loves feel good stories.

TimeForWasp 11-29-2014 01:28 PM

Big game for Kelse

TimeForWasp 11-29-2014 01:29 PM

Big game for Avant

TimeForWasp 11-29-2014 01:29 PM

Big game for Charles

TimeForWasp 11-29-2014 01:29 PM

Big game for Davis

TimeForWasp 11-29-2014 01:30 PM

Big game for Houston

TimeForWasp 11-29-2014 01:32 PM

Big game for Alex

Mile High Mania 11-29-2014 01:32 PM

KC will win by 7

ptlyon 11-29-2014 01:32 PM

Big game for my liver

TimeForWasp 11-29-2014 01:37 PM

Bad game for my Liver. But my liver is evil , it must be punished.

Sandy Vagina 11-29-2014 01:41 PM

Will probably be decided by the refs, to be honest.

I don't think KC is strong enough yet to beat Denver AND the officiating. If Houston and Hali are getting held all day and that's overlooked? Chiefs lose. If the refs throw multiple ticky-tack DPI calls against KC, Chiefs lose.

I really don't know what I'm feeling about this one. It could truly go a lot of different ways, and none of them would surprise me.

FlaChief58 11-29-2014 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCtotheSB (Post 11151925)
I have to believe that the entire team is lifted by Berry's plight and will come away with a win. The NFL loves feel good stories.

Yeah,, but it's dunver. If the NFL let's us win, it may cost dungver home field and we can't have that

srvy 11-29-2014 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bshmerlie (Post 11151775)
Chiefs win 24-17

Manning is removed from the game due to injury.

We never get near Manning how you figure he will get hurt. Maybe he will cut a jugular shaving morning of the game?

Crying Ramtard 11-29-2014 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 11151772)
I think we have a chance, but I don't think it's going to happen.

after they walk on the field the 'chance' will be pretty much over

BigMeatballDave 11-29-2014 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by srvy (Post 11151948)
We never get near Manning how you figure he will get hurt. Maybe he will cut a jugular shaving morning of the game?

Tamba sacked him in Denver.

Crying Ramtard 11-29-2014 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by srvy (Post 11151948)
We never get near Manning how you figure he will get hurt. Maybe he will cut a jugular shaving morning of the game?

naaahh don't see that happening LOL

Easy 6 11-29-2014 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsNow (Post 11151919)
Big game for DAT

So much of THIS, its time for his probation to end so he can start getting significant time... he's every single bit as electric as Charles, you just cant keep talent like that on the bench, especially in a game like this.

RunKC 11-29-2014 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Herpe (Post 11151895)
The CB's get beat deep because they jump the short routes. We set you up with the dink and dunk and then beat you with a double move when you least expect it.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ce44NuINO4...0/peyton22.gif

I don't see short routes here. This is Flowers simply getting beat by Decker and Lewis having no idea where the **** he was supposed to be.

That's what I'm talking about.

HonestChieffan 11-29-2014 03:42 PM

we win by 10.


Book it

Aries Walker 11-29-2014 03:56 PM

Yes. We came thiiiiis close to beating them earlier this year in Denver, and since then, we're playing better while they're playing worse. Plus, we've had more time to rest, and between our second-place status are our stinging loss last week to the Oakland Anti-Christs, we'll be hungrier.

All signs point to yes.

ILChief 11-29-2014 04:01 PM

Take a late hit flag and hit Fivehead early. I don't know why teams don't do this. When he gets hit he gets jittery. Well worth an early 15 yards

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-29-2014 04:05 PM

It won't even be close. We are about to destroy Denver on national TV.

PizzaDoughz 11-29-2014 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ILChief (Post 11152138)
Take a late hit flag and hit Fivehead early. I don't know why teams don't do this. When he gets hit he gets jittery. Well worth an early 15 yards

Teams don't usually resort to the type of dirty plays and methods that the Donkies are known for.

vailpass 11-29-2014 04:05 PM

I'd be much more confident in a Denver win if J. Thomas and Talib were playing. This one will be close imho...

Easy 6 11-29-2014 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ILChief (Post 11152138)
Take a late hit flag and hit Fivehead early. I don't know why teams don't do this. When he gets hit he gets jittery. Well worth an early 15 yards

Couldnt agree more, hell I'll take 2 of those flags to set the right tone... that entire team needs to know its walking into a filthy brawl where anything goes.

Easy 6 11-29-2014 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 11152155)
I'd be much more confident in a Denver win if J. Thomas and Talib were playing. This one will be close imho...

What I've been seeing suggests Talib will be playing.

FlaChief58 11-29-2014 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PizzaDoughz (Post 11152154)
Teams don't usually resort to the type of dirty plays and methods that the Donkies are known for.

Yes, yes they do. Most just hide it better

BlackOp 11-29-2014 04:17 PM

KC has a 1-10 record vs. Manning. As much as I want the Chiefs to humiliate him and that cheating shit franchise...I dont think its going to happen. He just plays well at Arrowhead.. I do think KC has a chance to win out the rest of the season though..

The game will be close...but Reid will leave too much time on the clock...either in the first half or at the end.

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-29-2014 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PizzaDoughz (Post 11152154)
Teams don't usually resort to the type of dirty plays and methods that the Donkies are known for.

This man says, "haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay":

http://www.seahawks.com/assets/image...herman-600.jpg

bevischief 11-29-2014 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kman34 (Post 11151823)
My heart says yes... but my head says no.... I think we need to be up two scores and have the ball with 5min to go. But still would be be nervous.

He said head...

vailpass 11-29-2014 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 11152164)
What I've been seeing suggests Talib will be playing.

Yeah but with a hammy. No way he's full go. Honestly I'd rather see him sit than aggravate it before it's healed more.

Mr. Laz 11-29-2014 04:34 PM

Denver gets to hold and run picks

Chiefs get to do neither


officiating: edge to Donks
Defense: edge Chiefs
offense: edge Donks
Special teams: edge Chiefs
Coaching: edge Chiefs
Homefield: edge Chiefs

Chiefs should be able to win but we all know that a huge advantage on offense and having the officials in their pocket is worth more than just an 'edge'


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