Reids 2011 pick could be playing in the CFL
 

I was so nervous when rumors sprouted up that the Chiefs were interested in Watkins during the 2011 draft.

I danced a jig when Philly took him for us.

Too me you got to be really really bad to be cut before TC this time of year. At least be a body or camp fodder. OTAs are in shorts and T shirts can't do too much but work on technique and feet drills. Getting cut during preseason would look better for a player imo unless it's a cap space reason to cut him.

Did you read the last part of the article?

This is a fast fall for a guy who started as a rookie.

People in the NFL do dumb things.

**** your fallacious appeals to authority.

I never click links posted by billay, even if they appear legit. They're probably links to pornographic Monopoly cos-play videos.

I suggest you do the same.

The guy hasn't played THAT bad.

He was a project. Bad use of a first-rounder.

Taking a project G in the 1st round is just about the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Was Reid responsible?

Reid is responsible for all lineman taken. Both sides of the ball. Loves em.

at least drafting OL is safe...

That would explain why the link showed the Eagles mascot having sex with a thimble.

That is one of the most alarming picks of the last 20 years.

The guy turns 29 soon.

Our OL is set now if Albert is re-signed. So we wont have to worry about spending our 2014 1st round pick on a OL.

Nope.


We need help on the DL though.

If staley sucks Reid can still say he wasn't his worst first round pick.

BPA. If there's a good OT, he's ours. Period.

That's why I'm a bit skeptical of Dorsey. It's fine if he's just saying shit like, "You take the best player at the top of your board no matter what" to make it sound like he's not just throwing poo chunks at a dartboard. But if strict BPA really is all he does, that's almost as bad as Pioli's "can never go wrong drafting team captains and try hard nobodies."

BPA has been used to justify some of the most idiotic draft picks in history. When it works, it works. But when it doesn't work, it's pretty terrible.

I don't know...

Both Matthews and Lewan look like near elite level picks.

If Fisher is actually able to play at the NFL level, we could trade both Albert and Stephenson, who, as stated by most people here, should be playing guard or who suck, respectively, and have two first round, top ten offensive tackles on this team.

Think about the awesome that would be. We'd be only two guards and a center away from building the perfect line.

:hmmm: Not sure if serious.


Yes our DL may suck but we have been spending our first round picks on them so ****ing bull shit if we spend another top pick on DL next year and neglect the quarterback yet another season.

It's kind of cruel that the weakest unit on our team is the defensive line, and it's the unit that has been flooded with first-round picks for years.

CP is unbelievable sometimes. 1) Reid did not pick Watkins, his personnel guys did; 2) 23 is a little high for a Guard, but it's not ridiculous; 3) He was drafted in a draft with pretty poor talent at that spot. You'll recall that we took Jonathan Baldwin and most of us couldn't really think of who better was out there.

The problem isn't so much that we drafted defensive linemen that high that often, it's that we ran a defense where d-linemen aren't playmakers and used that strategy anyway.

Our defense was close to being elite if we stayed in a 4-3 until Pioli force-fitted his system in. It's absolutely crazy to think about how things would be different if we fired Gunther and Peterson didn't idiotically chase Jared Allen away. We could have had Allen-Dorsey-Raji-Hali or with the Allen trade Orakpo-Dorsey-Tank Bailey-Hali.

Link?

Anybody who knows Philly knows that Joe Banner was calling all the shots, that he was pissing a lot of people off, and that he and Andy Reid were definitely not on the same page. You'll also note that the Eagles went from a great drafting team to holding shitty drafts starting in 2011 once Howie Roseman came on board (probably to be a lackey for Banner).

Blaming this draft on Reid is just plain ig'nant. There's been a lot of smoke that Reid was not happy at where the front office was taking his roster the past few years.

Hopefully we can set up a trade scenario each offseason leading up to the draft whereby we can constantly use our round one pick to keep fresh fatties coming on both sides of the ball.
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Awesome just ****ing awesome...


When the Philadelphia Eagles burned their first-round draft pick on Danny Watkins two Aprils ago, he was projected to slide in at right guard and stick there deep into the future.

After making 12 uneven starts as a rookie in 2011, Watkins eventually was benched last season and now looms as a potential cut, according to Vaughn Johnson of Philly.com

Guys, if you're going to take a chance high, it really, REALLY needs to be a lineman. Those positions define eras and are the key factor in post season success.
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Spending a first round pick on a 27 year old guard isn't rediculous?

WTF?

What could be worse than that?

Let's be real about what the motivation of this thread is.

It's to claim that Reid is a shitty drafter. And that he overvalues offensive linemen. You're right on the 27 year old part, but let's not pretend that was the motivation for this thread.

Reid wasn't the guy calling the shots. And a Guard is fine to take at this spot, if the argument was to claim they reached for that position. So this thread is completely pointless.

And the CFL headline is lame. The author just thows that into the article without any support for the claim, other than the player is Canadian.

In fact, the author all but dismisses the CFL suggestion saying "A more logical landing spot, if he's sent packing, is the Kansas City Chiefs under Andy Reid, who drafted Watkins in Philly."

Howie Roseman has had final say on Eagles draft selections since 2009 or so says Philly radio.

Eh I call BS if you are saying Andy Reid didn't have any say in that draft pick and if he didn't want the guy in the end he wouldn't have been the pick. Andy Reid had too much respect to not have any say in the draft picks.

Yep.

Strange Chiefzilla was telling us Reid didn't draft him.

Nobody said Reid wanted him except guessing he'd be interested in an ex player. And picking up a guard for cheap ddepth is different than drafting a guy with your #23 pick.

You do know that Reid benched Watkins and has been publicly critical of his play, right?

Joe banner became very unpopular. There is a reason he was fired. Reid was pissed he had no say in personnel decisions, especially with both banner and Rosemanbeing strong personnel guys who wanted their hands on eeverything.

Google Reid and banner and you'll find more than enough links to show that banner was fired because Reid wasn't happy about personnel decisions and how little say he had.

So that doesn't excuse any future shitty picks Reid and Dorsey may have for us in the coming years.

:LOL:LMAOLMAOROFL

and no, count on OL in the 1st.

Link?

I never said that. In kc, it sounds like he has a very strong voice on personnel and should be held accountable for personnel decisions, including and especially the QB.

But this thread is directly implying that Watkins getting cut is a black eye on Reid. That is completely inaccurate.

Do I really have to do this?

A few games into his rookie season the Eagles signed a waiver wire pickup and benched Watkins.

Months after Joe Banner was fired, the Eagles signed Jake scott . Scott started over Watkins.

Does it sound to you like Andy Reid thought highly of him?

<i> Reid did not pick Watkins, his personnel guys did</i>

Oh yes he did. You should have heard Reid gushing over him in the post draft press conference.

Sometimes picks don't work out. I can assure you that of all the stupid things Reid did in his 14 years in Philly, drafting Watkins doesn't even make the top 5.

As for Watkins, he isn't a bum or anything. There are loads of starting guards that he is better than. He physically dominates but struggles with the mental part of the game. I wouldn't be surprised if he comes on this season. If he gets cut, I'd love for him to come to KC cause we need depth on the OL with the loss of Winston and Lilja.

I also think he is out of position at guard. If he were to be moved back to tackle I think he'd flourish. Particularly in a more conventional blocking scheme then the one he was playing in under Mudd.


Re. BPA: It is a stupid strategy because it assumes that all positions are of equal value, which is false. Reid always <i>says</i> he wants the BPA, but in practice he has a preference for linemen and QBs. I was really surprised/disappointed that he didn't take a Dlineman and only took one pass rusher.

<i>A few games into his rookie season the Eagles signed a waiver wire pickup and benched Watkins.</i>

You are thinking of the unlamented Kyle Devan. He was signed before the season because Mudd had worked with him in Indy. He started a few games while Watkins (who had held out of Training Camp) absorbed the offense. As soon as Watkins was able to start, Devan was sent to the bench. Watkins started the rest of season and continued to start until late in the following season.

Of course he's going to gush over a pick. Coaches always do. And again, after banner left, there was word that Reid was complaining about having no control over personnel, the Eagles signed Jake scott and he started scott over Watkins. It says something when a guy bitches about not having say in personnel, then one of his first moves while having more say was to sign a replacement for the 2011 first round pick.

I am not saying Reid is a draft guru or a genius. But it doesn't sound plausible that Reid would have made the call at pick 23, then got Joe banner fired a year later because he didn't have say in personnel.

Yeah, after a short diversion from drafting DL with the first pick, it will be time to get back to that. You just can't have too many Tyson Jacksons and Glen Dorsey's on the team.