The letter of the law or douchebag?
This guy is a douchebag if you ask me. What is your take?
F you if repost http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...nnbin&hpt=Sbin Remember the story of the college softball player who hit the game-winning homer and blew out her knee as she trotted around first base, but was carried to second, third and home by opposing players -- even though she represented the decisive run in a game that determined the championship? This is not that story. This is the story of a high school pole vaulter whose successful leap in the last event won the meet and the league championship for her team -- until an opposing coach pointed out she should be disqualified for breaking a rule, reversing the outcome so that his team captured victory and the league title. The girl's infraction? Wearing a friendship bracelet. The debatable moment in sportsmanship occurred April 29 in South Pasadena, Calif., where the visiting girls team from Monrovia High was seeking its first-ever Rio Hondo League title against longtime powerhouse South Pasadena High. With the teams separated by a few points and only the pole vault remaining, Monrovia needed a second-place finish in the event to secure the victory and obtain the title. Both teams gathered around the pole vault pit, loudly celebrating and agonizing over every clearance and miss. Although South Pasadena's Rachel Ma led at 7-feet-6, two Monrovia girls had cleared 7-feet to give their team the lead. But South Pasadena's best vaulter, Robin Laird, had not competed yet. Now she stood at the top of the runway, preparing for her first vault of the long day -- an attempt at 7-feet-6 that could win the event, the meet and the league title. The crowd fell silent. A crosswind was blowing. Laird began to sprint down the runway through the gauntlet of spectators, but suddenly stopped; something didn't feel right. "I was feeling nervous," she would later say, "because the whole league championship was on the line." Laird walked back to the top of the runway, gained her composure, then took off again. This time everything was in sync. She planted the pole, lifted herself into the air and soared easily over the bar to give her team a 66-61 victory. While half the crowd cheered and the other half groaned, Monrovia coach Mike Knowles reacted by pointing to his wrist and gesturing toward Laird, who was wearing a thin, colorful string bracelet. "This is my 30th year coaching track," Knowles said a few days later. "I know a lot of rules and regulations." The rule in this case -- Section 3, Article 3 of the National Federation of State High School Associations -- is clear: "Jewelry shall not be worn by contestants." So is the penalty, and in the time it takes to read "the competitor is disqualified from the event," South Pasadena's win was transformed into a 65-62 victory for Monrovia. South Pasadena coach P.J. Hernandez was dumbfounded. "I said, 'Coach [Knowles], you really want it to come down to this?' " Hernandez recalled. When Laird was informed that she had been disqualified because of her bracelet, she burst into tears. "It wasn't so much that I had been disqualified, personally," Laird said. "It was that I had just lost the league championship that my coaches and teammates had worked so hard for ... I had just lost it with this little piece of string on my wrist." When the ruling was announced, Monrovia's athletes and supporters erupted into a reflexive cheer and South Pasadena's reacted with stunned resentment. But people on both sides mostly retreated into schools of thought, pondering issues of sportsmanship vs. gamesmanship, the letter of the law vs. its spirit and what lesson to derive from what had just happened. Even Monrovia athletic director Randy Bell struggled to process the outcome. "I don't think it was anything people were particularly proud of," he said. "A rule was invoked, and correctly so, but I don't think anybody was excited to win that way." Knowles, 54, is in his first season at Monrovia, but he has won a lot during a career in which he coached Pasadena's storied Muir High to nine CIF-Southern Section championships, three California state championships and one mythical national championship. "It's unfortunate, that's all I can say," Knowles said. "It's unfortunate for the young lady. But you've got to teach the kids that rules are rules." South Pasadena's Hernandez doesn't dispute the technical validity of Knowles' call, Laird's obligation to have followed the rule or even the life lesson to be learned by everyone involved. But Hernandez thinks the scope of this teaching moment ought to be broadened to examine when the teaching could have best taken place. "Mike Knowles was down by the pole vault pit, kind of waiting and sitting there, keeping an eye on our girl, waiting for her to attempt the vault and then make the call, " said Hernandez. "I am upset that he wanted to win so badly that he would do it that way. We feel sportsmanship is important, too, and that it is in question with him in this situation." Knowles denied he was lying in wait. "I didn't notice the bracelet until after she cleared the height and walked by," he insisted. "[I had] a sinking feeling for her. I didn't want to have to do it. But it's a real rule -- it's in the book -- not something I made up. About 10 years ago, I had a girl who wore an earring in the 4x400 relay and it ended up costing us a CIF title. I feel bad for what happened, but I guarantee you she'll never wear jewelry during a track meet again." Laird, a senior who will be attending -- but probably not pole vaulting -- the University of Southern California next year, says, "I find it hard to believe" that Knowles did not see the friendship bracelet when she took that aborted trip down the runway. "But I don't want to say for sure that he saw it," she said. "It isn't my place to say that." Laird disgustedly tore the friendship bracelet off her wrist after being disqualified, and she concedes that Knowles is right about her mistakenly wearing one again in competition -- or maybe ever. "As of right now, I am not wearing one," she said. "Although I do still have a tan line on my wrist. That's my scarlet letter." |
Douchebag coach....
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I didn't realize Billy Martin was alive and coaching track.
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**** her. Don't wear a bracelet if those are the rules.
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It's a douchebag move. No question about it.
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It should be a poll.
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If it was me I probably would have walked up to the girl and whispered "Nice job. Next time you better remember to remove your jewelry cause the next guy might not be as nice and call you on it."
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i dont have a problem with it.
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I wonder if his team thinks he's a douchebag coach?
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Douchebag move by the coach calling foul. But on the other hand, her own coach should have instructed all team members of the rules or at the least instructed her to remove the bracelet before she competed.
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its about winning. no mercy.
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Douchebag...
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He's a prick.... she's a stupid girl who should have known better....
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What a lowlife bastard. :shake:
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Complete douche bag move. And I can promise you that every single person on that team hates him for it. Winning is one thing. But knowing you won in that way is another thing.
I'm a competitor. I want to know I won with a fight. The coach should have told her to take the bracelet off before she jumped rather than waiting for her to jump and then calling her out on it. |
He almost certainly knew she was wearing it before the attempt. A real adult would have mentioned it before the jump and had her take it off if it was that big a deal. Instead, he scarred her for a long time just so he could get a plaque.
I wouldn't want to win that way even if someone else noticed it. |
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It's not like the bracelet gives her some kind of competitive advantage. It's probably a safety precaution more than anything. That's what bothers me the most. |
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Rules are rules whether they are dumb or not.
But if the HS officials didn't notice it, or just didn't care. Then the coach shouldn't have either. It's not like she was wearing this bracelet in just this one event (I'm assuming that she may have competed in other events as well). She's probably worn this bracelet in previous meets as well. Bullshit move no doubt, but gotta give props to the coach for knowing such a rule, when no one else was paying attention. |
rules are the rules. She wore it all day...meaning they had already lost long before then. Oh well. I wouldn't have called it, but I wouldn't coach those sports anyway.
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Complete douche.
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Then I'd have a long discussion with my kid. |
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Yes it is a rule, but if the douche coach knew anything about the big picture, he would think about the fact that the bracelet did not give her any sort of advantage (in fact probably hindered her if anything) and that should have driven the decision. It's complete form over substance.
That whole story feels like it came out of the book Atlas Shrugged. |
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Winning because you're pointing out a technicality that has no bearing on the results of their performances is cheap. That coach knows he won because of some bullshit technicality. If he can live with that then so be it. But I can bet you that even people at his own school wouldn't approve of this. But ....rules are rules I guess. |
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If I was the coach, no way in hell I'd pull a prick move like that. This is amateur sports. Teaching these kids sportsmanship is a hell of a lot more important. If I'm a parent/athlete, I would despise the fact that I won because my coach was an overcompetitive asshole. |
Douche and STUPID ****ing rule.
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If the rule states "jewelry", than "jewelry" should be defined. Webster's Online defines jewelry as: objects of precious metal often set with gems and worn for personal adornment.
A piece of string is not jewelry. The coach is a douche. |
I think it unfair cause it seem to be a arcane rule that not a lot people knew about. That he is a bitch and **** his win at all cost attitude he should of told the girl so she wouldn't get dq. I hope he get what coming to him in term of being fired or lose in a similar fashion.
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Coach = complete douchebag and obviously cares more about his resume than the kids. |
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I wouldn't consider a piece of string to be jewelry. |
Bring her in for a look
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I think it's ridiculous. Rules are rules, but a douchebag is a douchebag.
If I was the coach of the girl's team that lost I would challenge the rule of what actually constitues something being considered "jewelry." If they have that rule surely they'd have to classify what is or isn't jewelry. A piece of string? Somebody should have asked Coach D-bag if he'd give his wife a piece of string as a present? Of course he wouldn't. So why does it apply to the girl? Maybe it's because nobody here was in that moment, but nobody thought about challenging that stupid rule? Go to any god damn jewelry store and ask them to show you the "piece of string" section. I've got a feeling you wouldn't have much luck. You leave a term open to interpretation and you can find a way to get around it. I'm as competetive as anyone, but who wants to win like that in amateur sports? What message does that send? Even if you get beat fair and square if you look hard enough you might find a way to win on a technicality? Those are as rewarding as moral victories and in KC we know good those feel!!! :rolleyes: |
This is complete bullshit. Like a friendship bracelet gives her an advantage? Give me a ****ing break.
If I were on the winning team, I would fedex that trophy to that girl asap. This coach should rot in hell. Posted via Mobile Device |
Sensei Kreese would agree with what that coach did.
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I hope he is held to the same standards and expectations in his remaining career as a teacher and coach.
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I do actually wonder about calling a friendship bracelet "jewelry" (as mentioned above). It's a piece of string. If you had fifty of them, it would be an arm band, which are worn all the time.
If they really wanted to press the issue, I'd wonder if it would be overturned. Not sure who is responsible for that stuff or what level of protest is allowed, though. |
and people want cat killers to get prison time
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Damn it i'm too slow lol its my leg that got swept in that one. |
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So it was a piece of string? If it wasn't metal or didn't have jewels on it then I argue that it was a piece of string and not jewelry at all. How 'bout a rubber band? Is that jewelry too? If I were them I'd try an appeal before I let the douchebag have the victory.
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I expect Mr T to come forward and Pitty this Fool!
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I think the other coach should have argued it was technicially not jewlery.
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I bet there was HGH in that string. Good move by the opposing coach to point it out.
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It's high school athletics -- douchebag.
Douchebag squared since there's no way in hell that coach wasn't watching and waiting for her to do it. You cannot convince me that the guy didn't know about the bracelet well before the jump. It's like the pine-tar incident with George Brett. Billy Martin knew about the pine-tar the entire game (speculation is that he knew about it for weeks) but was going to wait until the right time to call it to the umpires attention. Major league baseball -- okay. High School pole vault (a sport nobody really gives a shit about anyway) -- definitely not okay. And then to say "well she won't be wearing jewelry to another event, I taught her a lesson" is even less okay. Douche move all the way. |
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On another front, the other coach should demand to see whether any of the douche's girls have nipple or genital piercings. Rules are rules. |
I mean, it's not like she circumvented the salary cap or something. :D
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On a whole other point....7-6? In the pole vault? I think I could vault that using a baseball bat.
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Douche
It matches the old joke about the city lawyer out in the country. Clear day. ceiling and visibility unlimited. Approaching a Stop sign with no on coming traffic or obstructions, he slows down but doesn't come to a complete Stop. Country Sherrif pulls him over. Lawyer begins to argue about the spirit of the law and his full compliance with all safety related aspects. Country Sheriff doesn't say anything-just starts wailing on him with his night stick. Sheriff asks the lawyer if he wants him to slow down or to come to a complete stop? Who's right? Perspective. |
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Douchebag.
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Complete ass move. I bet the irony is that the guy would be willing to cheat in any way to win as long as he didn't get caught. If he is such a good coach he would know that isn't winning. I would be prayin' the other squad showed up all lookin' like JaMarcus cuz all that bling ain't gonna do nuthin' but hurt.Unless the shit is real tight and all the light comin off it blinds the other squad.Seriously though...weak.
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If its such a harsh infraction then one would think it would be well known. I would also think that if its an infraction then the meet officials would tell the person about it ahead of time. I'm wondering if coach would have called the same thing if it hadn't been to decide the meet? I think its always douchbaggery for an infraction to be called after the fact. The league thought so in the pine tar game.
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One part of the story I'd be interested in is the what in blazes was the other coach doing? Did he not pursue the mini-sweat band argument or the itsnotmetal line of defense? You'd think there would be an instant list of ways to protest the protest and at least get a ruling postponed or something. He's got a job to bring home a W, too.
Was he out smelling cinnamon rolls or something? You can bet he won't let that happen again. |
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I think the difference is that men tend to eat more meat (such as found in BBQ) which contributes to strong muscles, while women are eating bread, cinnamon rolls, and chocolate chip cookies. |
Sounds like a valuable life lesson. And the girl who was disqualified will receive mini-celebrity status after all. Isn't that worth more than a stupid tournament win? She probably planned the whole fiasco.
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Don't forget, they get bloated for awhile every month, too. |
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HAHAHAHA! That POS. August 23. |
Oh. And I vote Billy Martin is still a douche. Even in death.
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I appreciate the gamesmanship but I would not be happy to win that way.
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he would not have made that call if she would have missed that final vault, therefore he is a douche
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Douche.
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The rule sucks. The circumstances suck. Do you think somebody really gains a competitive edge by stepping one foot onto the white line? Do they gain an edge exchanging a baton outside of the exchange zone? There are dozens of rules that suck but they're rules. The coach was within his rights. Would I have done it? I dunno. It's pretty crappy all the way around.
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