Tyson Jackson is having a better season than BJ Raji
 

Raji is ranked 6th worst at his position (or 78th) and 3rd worst in run defense. He has 9 stops all year, good for 66th at his position.

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Jackson is ranked 10th at his position and 6th in run defense. He has 32 stops, good for 2nd at his position.

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Does this mean the drafturbators are defeated forever?

:huh: Who won the SB last year? Who is undefeated this year?

Who the hell is Sean Lissemore?

Jackson has unquestionably imporved his play this year, which is good, but I would say that he isn't playing at Shaun Smith's 2010 level right now, either.

Who cares?

We got smart guys from the Pats running our team!!!

What's that got to do with Raji vs Jackson?

When I've watched Jackson closely, he's easily been the best member of our line. Glenn Dorsey just isn't the same as he was early - I wonder if his legs aren't still/again an issue.

WTF is wrong with Alualu this year?

According to PFF they are playing at basically an identical level, except Jackson is making more stops.

Playing like the late first round pick he was supposed to be. Yay.

Yeah, it's too bad he was the #3 overall pick.

If he was the #3 overall pick in the 2ND ROUND, he would be a pretty good pick.

and every single pick in the 1st round for that draft would still have been a better pick. TJ is like the only bust, seriously. But he has improved, maybe there's a chance...

If he continues to improve he'll end up being a pretty good #3 pick. That draft was garbage.

I've had this debate with a friend. He swears Jackson was worth the pick, and is now paying dvidends. I tell him he's crazy, that we shouldn't have to wait three seasons before a third overall pick lives up to the billing, which he isn't even really doing now. He's a solid guy, just not a star. He said defensive linemen aren't supposed to be stars, but merely do their job and freee up space for the linebackers and DB's to make plays. I say then why draft a guy that high to do a throw away job, and he says you need a guy that's good at his position to do that job.

And on. And on. And on.

Richard Seymour 2.0

Or if he was #15 pick on down.

that would be nice

How many TDs does Tyson Jackson have?

PFF is awful.

Why? Because you labeled Jackson a bust already and it turns out he is turning out to be a decent player?

Jackson was a bust the moment he was taken at #3 overall. Unless he turns into Super Richard Seymour and starts raping faces on every down every game, he's not worth the pick and never will be.

We weren't awarded that pick by the NFL just to pick up a "solid" player. They give those picks to the BAD teams who are in need of franchise players. Jackson likely will never aspire to that level.

Raji was just the runner up pick, Sanchez was the main one.

Too bad we need Tom Brady 2.0. Instead we have Elvis Grbac 1.1

That's fine.


Also who was drafted 4th in that draft? How many game changers were taken in the top 10 that year?

My guess is, these two could trade teams and the Chiefs would be 5-8 and the Packers 13-0

There's a difference between drafting players worthy of that selection come draft time who eventually wind up to be busts and actively SEEKING OUT bust players just because it's likely their bust level isn't as busty as the other busts.

Tyson Jackson always will be a bust. PFF sucks because people like Clayton think it has some value. BJ Raji is clearly a better player than Tyson Jackson but people like Clayton will use this one year and try to claim they are equals. It's kind of like the .gif thing that showed Wigemann beating Franklin a few plays to everyone on here it showed how great Wigemann is!

In retrospect the pick should have been Orako or Clay Matthews. Its easy to make picks in hindsight though, the top of that draft is just awful looking back.

Who the hell is Wigemann?

So awful it's used by over 25 percent of the NFL teams.

So no matter what the guy does he will be abust in your eyes?

I agree he's no Richard Seymour but the guy is in his 3 full season.

BJ has almost 180 more snaps..

yeah

Curry,

IMO, the Packers got the best non QB pick in that draft at 26. I think the jury is still out on all three of the QBs (Sanchez, Stafford, Freeman) but one of them just kicked our ass that was available at 3.

Tyson Jackson was our worst first round pick since Ryan Sims in '02. Even though his play his slightly improved this year, he's still a POS. I honestly can't think of one game where he's made a difference. Hell, he didn't get his first career sack until just recently. He'll never live up to his #3 overall pick.

157 = Almost a random number like 180?

Bj can't hear you ove rthe sound of his super Bowl ring

Aaron Rodgers says you're welcome BJ.

This makes me feel so much better now.

I wasn't wearing my glasses. LMAO

Still, BJ has way more snaps than Tyson Bust.

If we drafted Sanchez, we would be where we are right now (needing to replace the quarterback) and we wouldnt even have a solid defender going forward.

Tyson Jackson isnt some great player by any stretch, but a LDEs MAIN JOB is run defense and he is 6th at his position at that.

I wonder where Sanchez is ranked with other quarterbacks.

For this year alone, Jackson > Sanchez, Raji.
Weigmann was one of the best centers in the league again this year, until his weight dropped (as I said would happen well before the year started, even mentioned it last year) around week 9 or 10 and your boy Franklin is still a backup quality player for NO.

Its a shame the coaching staff hasnt done as I thought they would and sat Casey down once his play slipped and played the kid the rest of the way out.

Hudson is gonna be a damn fine center for us.

Tyjack is worlds better than Ryan Sims.

I guess accuracy is not your strong suit, he got his second sack recently, not that that is a big difference.

But as many of the more "in the know" posters on here have said, from the minute he was picked, 5 Techs don't get sacks. They eat up blockers and allow the LBers to do their jobs.

Is there a slight chance that Jackson's improved play has helped the LBers improve?

But yeah, #3 as most agree, was too high.

Yes and I argued that it was dumb to sign a guy who can only give you 8 games and stunt the growth of a younger player (I was right). Franklin will be a starter somewhere next year.

I bet Justin Houston knows that Tyson Jackson is doing a good job.

Lol yeah and NFL clubs read Nick Athan too.

So gochiefs would you trade tyson jackson for bj raji straight up?

I dont think so, bud.

Franklin wasnt looked at as a guy that was starter quality THIS YEAR by the NFL, at age 31. What makes you think that will change when he turns 32?

Also, did you notice his old team is ****ing teams up in run defense without him? They are only giving up 70 yards per game and are first in the NFL....2nd team in the NFL is Baltimore and they are giving up 86/game.

Sure looks like Franklin was the bitch in that scenario.

ROFL at our debate of if we should sign him to a long term contract, or not, last year.

Thats probably worth discussion at some point.

This may be a little too early, though.

If the numbers shake out like this next year, it would be a no brainer.

R-

wow ... look at them work together.

it's almost like they are holding hands

LMAO

Actually we would be going on to year two of the Sanchez era more than likely. I doubt he would have played alot his rookie year.

and we would have been one year behind where we are now...



he still would suck.

he sucks, he has sucked and he is going to suck.


just like cassel

His old team tried to re-sign him this off season after you and a few others tried to make the argument that he was no good because San Fransico let him hit free agency. Also he's not starting in New Orlenas 1.Because he's a 34 guy. 2. They have Rogers and Ellis.

You're a tool.

maybe he's just not that good.


or just stupid. why would he sign somewhere where he wasnt going to get to play much?


i vote that its both.

I really don't get this obsessive urge and desire by some Planeteers to actually WANT some Chiefs players to be busts! It's as if their own ego, their desire to be correct and score a point supersedes their being a fan of the Chiefs. We are seeing examples of it in this thread but I'm talking in general.

Me, I WANT T-Jax to become a very good DE. It will save us a future draft pick. A draft pick saved is a draft pick earned. I WANT Stanzi to show Brady-like potential. We could then use our first round draft choice on another needed position. I have been delighted with the emergence of Houston. Reading empirical evidence for T-Jax's improvement gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling even though I was one of you who hated the pick. If he keeps improving it bodes well for our D-line next year. And if he keeps improving for a while he might even play like a 3rd player taken in a draft. Better late than never.

Each player that pans out, either as draft choices or emerging from nowhere, solves a big team problem. All of you who insist and want T-Jax, McCluster, Battle, etc. to be busts, just so your own predictions are right, are fans of yourselves and not the Chiefs.

Wait, what?

Have you LOOKED at the 2009 draft? It's full of Epic Fail mediocrity...

Only team that offered him a contract who has a chance to get him a ring?

He's better than any NT we have on the roster. It's pretty clear he was asking way too much.

Jets aren't going to be dumping him this offseason.

sorry but that screams loser to me if thats the truth.

why would you want a ring that you didnt really earn?

so...


he still sucks, sorry buddy.

if we had drafted him we would just be right where we are now...



no qb

thats debatable.


SF has a pretty good d this year without him. better than last IMO

The defense was pretty good last year but youre right it's better than year. They upgraded at corner and Aldon Smith is a beast. It also helps they got rid of Manuskys dumbass.

TJax has played really well this year.

Our second rounders?

:hmmm:

Maybe it will be more than one year? Guess you are smart cause you know the future.

Well, no, he's not. He's terrible against the run.

Haha

Yeah, because I said that if player "x" is better than player "y" 2 years in a row that I wouldnt trade player "x" for player "y"

I'm really sorry that you were born without the ability to use even the simplest elements of logic.

Not according to PFF.

Kelly Gregg has been good against the run.

Yeah 12th ranked run defense. He ****ing sucks.

Teams use PFF, but that doesn't mean they use it heavily or exclusively. Someone who flosses twice a month uses floss, but they don't use it the way a daily flosser does.

Furthermore, has there been any kind of independent analysis that suggests PFF's methodology is actually accurate? A number of teams used inept statistical models in the past in baseball.

The use of an item does not legitimize it.

stats are funny sometimes.

LMAO

So it's just coincidence that BJ Raji is ranked at the bottom of the run defense ranks. I mean the very ****ING BOTTOM. Along with other slugs like Terrell McClain.

He's actually good.

LMAOLMAOLMAO

FYI, Football Outsiders has Green Bay's run defense ranked 29th, PFF has it ranked 31st.

I made none of those claims. I said that using the only frame of argument as "PFF says" is meaningless unless we know that its methodology works.

Is it testable and measurable?

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...iants-week-13/

Teams are always behind. What is thier YPC allowed?