Chiefs Mount Rushmore nominations-PFT
 

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Mt. Rushmore nomination process runs the 65 Toss Power Trap

Posted by Mike Florio on May 20, 2013, 4:14 PM EDT

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With six teams to go, let’s turn our attention to the franchise that produced six Pro Bowlers in 2012. And somehow only two wins.

But the Chiefs have had plenty of proud moments, dating back to participation in the first Super Bowl.

Here’s your chance to scour the team’s rosters all the way back to the days of the Dallas Texans and vote for the four members of the franchise (player, coach, other) who should be on the Chiefs’ Mt. Rushmore.

From Hank Stram to Lamar Hunt to Derrick Thomas to Len Dawson to Willie Lanier to Otis Taylor to Emmitt Thomas to Bobby Bell to Tony Gonzalez, there are plenty of deserving candidates. Name your favorites below.

Hunt, Stram, Dawson, Gonzalez.

Hunt, Stram, Dawson, DT

Done.

Yeah, Thomas. Agreed.
Tough decisions. Lots of deserving players.

Hunt, Dawson, Stram, DT

Ah, yeah. So that.

Roaf Shields Waters Wiegman.....*True Fan high five*

That's impossible. We need more of a Vietnam Memorial than a Mount Rushmore.

But if we can only have four, I think you have to go with an owner, a coach, an offensive player, and a defensive player. And they would be Lamar Hunt, Hank Stram, Len Dawson, and our first Hall of Fame player, Bobby Bell.

It kind of stinks that they're all from the same era, more or less. It'd be nice if we can have some from four different eras, but I guess Mt. Rushmore is stacked toward the early years, too.

We need THE GIF for this...

Anyways, should be Hunt, Stram, Dawson, DT....

Mount Rushmore during my fan years which started somewhere in the mid 90's.

Priest Holmes, Tony Gonzalez, Derrick Thomas and Dwayne Bowe.

Best RB, TE, DE and WR I've witnessed as a Chief fan.

This.

Carl, Herm, Thigpen, Hugh Douglas

D. Thomas, Priest Holmes, Tony G., Pestilence

We need certain themes:

Belcher, Bam Morris, Vanover, Victor Riley.

Alt, Tait, Albert, Fisher

Zach Thomas, Amani Toomer, Mike Vrabel, Bobby Wade

Stanzi, Croyle, Pat Barnes, Matt Blundin

Herm, Haley, RAC, Wiggin

Shawn Barber, Kendrell Bell, Surtain, McGlockton

Bono, Grbac, Montana, Smith

LJ, Winston, Cassel, and Belcher.

So if Belcher is on there it'll just be 3 heads right?

Well... I suppose 3 1/2

My second nomination would be Daboll, a pile of shit, an aborted fetus, and a jug of antifreeze

I was going to go with the first three plus Willie Lanier thinking that Bell only beat him into the Hall of Fame because he retired first, but after looking them up on profootballreference.com, it turns out that Bell was 1st team All Pro 6 times (with 9 Pro Bowls) and Lanier only made it 3 times (with 8 Pro Bowls). So I'll go with Hunt, Stram, Dawson, and Bell also.

FWIW, here are the guys who made 1st team All Pro the most times:

6 - Bobby Bell, Johnny Robinson, Jim Tyrer

5 - Tony Gonzales

4 - Buck Buchanan

3 - Fred Arbanas, Derron Cherry, Sherrill Headrick, Priest Holmes, Willie Lanier

2 - Ed Budde, Len Dawson, Abner Haynes, EJ Holub, Albert Lewis, Nick Lowery, Jerry Mays, Will Shields, Otis Taylor, Derrick Thomas, Brian Waters

1 - 20 players

Add another for Hunt, Stram, Bell, Dawson

Hunt, Stram, Lanier, Dawson

This leagues about championships and those guy won them.

I don't know that I would put the owner on it. I think I would go:

Dawson
Stram
Lanier
DT

IMO, that particular owner is the most important piece. He wasn't just a money bag or a guy who inherited a team.

Yeah, but every team could say that. If it wasn't for the original owner, said team wouldn't be there. I'm not taking away from who Lamar was, I just feel that the owner doesn't belong on the Mt. Rushmore of each team.

I hear you. The difference I see between Hunt and most other owners is that Hunt didn't just buy a team, he was one of the masterminds behind creating an entire league and then getting that league into the NFL. There aren't many owners who have had as much impact on pro football as Lamar Hunt. But there's nothing wrong with having different opinions on this. :)

concur....there aren't many owners who I would think should be on the Mt Rushmore of their teams but there are a handful that you just can't leave off IMO.

Hunt, Al Davis, George Halas, Wellington Mara, Art Rooney, and Robert Kraft are among those that are no-brainers IMO.

You're right, absolutely nothing wrong with having different opinions. I would give Hunt a Lincoln style monument, if I were in charge.

Hunt, Stram, Dawson are gimmies

Last one is tough, but I gotta go with Gonzo, despite not finishing his career in KC. He's the best as his position in NFL history. Granted, that's 'Modern Era' history of receiving TEs, but he is the best, and it's really not that close.

Using profootballreference.com's Career Approximate Value metric, the highest scoring Chiefs are:

Tony Gonzalez - 172* (26th all time)
Joe Montana - 164** (37th)
Bobby Bell - 149 (69th)
Len Dawson - 147 (76th)
Mike Webster - 143*** (90th)
Marcus Allen - 142**** (93rd)
Johnny Robinson - 140 (100th)
Buck Buchanan - 138 (111th)
Dave Krieg - 138***** (111th)
Will Shields - 133 (139th)
Willie Roaf - 133****** (139th)
Derrick Thomas - 131 (152nd)
Jim Tyrer - 130******* (160th)
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* 128 AV pts during Gonzales' 12 years with KC
** 18 AV pts during Montana's 2 years with KC
*** 9 AV pts during Webster's 2 years with KC
**** 36 AV pts during Allen's 5 years with KC
***** 17 AV pts during Krieg's 2 years with KC
****** 52 AV pts during Roaf's 4 years with KC
******* 128 AV pts during Tyrer's 13 years with KC (and Dallas Texans)
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So if you only count CAV in a Chief's uniform, the leaderboard looks like this:

1. Bobby Bell
2. Len Dawson
3. Johnny Robinson
4. Buck Buchanan
5. Will Shields
6. Derrick Thomas
7t. Tony Gonzalez
7t. Jim Tyrer

Robinson is one I had forgotten about......in all honesty I probably wouldn't have had him in the top 10. I would have been wrong.

I want to go with this and I love Derrick Thomas, but Bobby Bell should be on it. I agree with Rain Man.

One thing I learned about Robinson today that I never knew before was that he played offense during his first few years while the team was still the Dallas Texans.

Joe Delaney for Crazy Horse Monument

Voting is now open!!!

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DT, Tony G, Will Shields and DJ.
i went with players i've followed as a fan.

Frank Zombo, Frank Zombo, Frank Zombo, and Frank William Zombo III

I went with Lamar Hunt, Derrick Thomas, Hank Stram, and Tony Gonzalez

Lamar Hunt, Hank Stram, Len Dawson, Derrick Thomas.

One as the players I've followed: DT, Bowe, Priest, Charles. **** tony he's a falcon now.

Jeff Blackshear.

Jovan Belcher

You could blast a neat cave behind the ear and put in a gift shop.

Elvis Grbac

lol


Hunt Hank DT TG

Hard choice, do you just go classics like many have already said? Hank Dawson Bell and Buchanan or Willie over hunt. Not that hunt isn't deserving, obviously so, but rather hunt has a trophy named named after him, so I'd rather pick another player from that era.

Instead of just classic, how about Hank and Dawson along with Marty and DT? Two great eras in chiefs football, say what you will about Marty not winning the big games, he was a beloved coach as many of us fans were growing up watching football.

Derrick Thomas, Len Dawson, Hank Stram, Willie Lanier

Hunt: brought the team to KC. He's one of the 5 most influential owners in NFL history, IMO. How can he not be there?

Dawson: One of the greatest in NFL history and certainly our most important offensive player in franchise history.

Bell: Sorry, DT fans, but he's just a better player than DT was. DT was a lesser version of Lawrence Taylor, Bobby Bell was a lesser version of no man. It has to be Bell.

My only question is whether or not to put Stram on there. Look at the talent on those teams; I have no problem with an argument that the last 60's Chiefs should've done more with the talent they had. Stram was the coach when we won, but Stram's not the reason we won, IMO. As those guys got older, Stram had nothing to right the ship. He went to NOLA and was pretty terrible there as well.

Honestly, I think Marty was a better coach, but Marty didn't win the SB so I won't put him up there either.

My fourth is going to be Willie Lanier. He was among the first true general's as a MLB. And by most accounts he was the team's best player in the 1969 playoffs. I would count him as being more instrumental in that championship than Stram.

So for me: Hunt, Dawson, Bell, Lanier

Ganz, Herm, Romeo, & Mackovick

Hunt Stram Lenny DT

HM. Shields, TG, Bell

I like the choice. I had said I can't argue against Hunt being picked, just making a point that he already has a statue so picking another chiefs player is the way I'd vote, if I had a meaningful voice on this that is.

If Charles continues for another year or 2 he has to be one of the guys right?

Tyler Bray.

Jack Steadman, Hugh Douglas, Bobby Sippio, Dick Stanzi

No votes for Montana? This place is slipping.

Bill Kenney, Ted Mcknight, Mike Livingston and Stephone Paige.

It should really be former SF QB's Montana, Bono, Grbac, Smith.

Well, I suppose you're right; Frank William Zombo III should be on the actual Mt. Rushmore. Who is this "Washington" character anyway?

(Hunt, Schottenheimer, Vermeil, DT)

Easy

Ah, shit.

Vermeil? Get out.

Anyone including Thomas over Bell, obviously never saw #78 play the game.

I met him the other day. Great guy.

Bobby Bell the Chiefs player or Bobby Bell the son of the Chiefs player?

The chiefs player.

Replace Vermeil with Zombo, right? Shouldn't have second guessed myself.

Vermeil era was the last time I enjoyed the chiefs other than a brief chuckle at the awesome impossibility of Tyler Thigpen. Probably just recency bias, but Vermeil is/was awesome.

Whitlock, Athan, Phobia, KC Wolf

I've admired all these men from afar.

Boomer Grigsby Sean LaChapelle Marc Boerigter Mike Maslowski

Hunt, Stram, DT, and Tony G.

Al Saunders if it's on the limeystone caves.