Jeff Flanagan: "Tyler Bray slow to grasp pro system"
 

http://msn.foxsports.com/kansas-city...-murray-051014

In a puff piece on Aaron Murray, an interesting tidbit:

Mr. Tomahawk to his defense in 3...2...1......

Not real surprising.

FYP

Nope. But I'd still prefer to ditch Daniel and let him keep learning along with Murray.

Like I said in another thread: who buys lottery tickets and never bothers to scratch them?

Oh quit it, you.

I want them to cut Daniel.

I expect them to keep Daniel and cut Bray.

Hot damn, you and I agree on something.

They need to cut Daniel.

Ahhhhhhhhhhh! [charlie Brown]

"Was"

He has a grasp of it now

Sadly, same here.

:Poke:

Like I said in the position battle thread, the best chance is that Murray is so impressive that he leapfrogs into the #2 spot, which coincidentally makes Bray more disposable anyway. It really just comes down to saving a small bit of salary.

If Murray leap frogs all the way up to #2 there's no way in hell the Chiefs pay Daniel that much money to sit on the inactive list.

Who knows. Flanagan's comments aren't surprising, but they are the first I've read. Ironically, Bray's status could depend on whether Murray is as pro-ready as his supporters claim. If so, maybe Daniel is expendable and you keep the long-term project.

So we cut Bray and keep two undersized QBs?

What's the difference?

Lies!

Like 2 inches.

How the **** is Murray going to leap frog Daniel when he's basically Daniel with a worse release, less poise, less athleticism, less experience, etc.? He's a poor man's Chase Daniel.

They are the same ****ing guy with the exception that Daniel didn't shit down his leg with the regularity that Murray did.

Anybody thinking that Murray gives you anything over Daniel is a reerun. Flat out, full on reerun.

Murray was a ****ing waste of a pick.

**** that guy. **** that pick.

Daniel is taller than Bray when he's standing on the field and Bray is sitting on the bench.

Anyone thinking that Daniel gives you more than an experienced clipboard holder is a flat out reerun.

Reid doesn't really give a flip about size, he's used undersized guys throughout his career... Detmer, Garcia, Kolb, now Murray... I'm sure theres more.

I'm on your side with Bray, but don't look to his size as some kind of saving grace...

They wont go into the season without a veteran backup. Daniel has at least proven he can play "ok" in a game.

This may be their way of trying to slip him onto the practice squad.

Slip who on the PS? Bray or Murray? Either way it doesn't matter because neither one would last.

Only way they keep all 4 is if they put Murray on IR.

Bray wouldn't last on the PS, he'd get snatched up.

I realize that. But it may be what they're trying to do. Poison the well, as it were.

Agreed.

So why people are excited about pissing away a draft pick on a dude that is not even as good as our incumbent experienced clipboard holder is beyond me.

That's a waste of a roster spot. Even a practice squad roster spot.

You're a waste of bulletin board space. Yet here you are.

TWSS

Daniel was captain checkdown all game long. He was garbage and still is.

That being said, I think the Chiefs keep 4 QBs. The way they've approached their entire roster, I don't think they like paying Daniel that much money but feel obligated until they find his replacement. Murray is very unlikely to leapfrog to backup this season. I think next year, Daniel is almost definitely cut if Murray progresses as we think he should.

I'm a Mizzou fan and loved Daniel as a Tiger. However, He's making too much dough as a clipboard holder and zero potential as an everyday starter. The money can be put to better use as part of Houston's extension

I think its Smith, Daniel and Murray this year....with Murray being deactivated most games.

But yes, it would be nice if Murray leapfrogs Daniel next season.

C'mon, dude. They are much different players. Many of Murray's problems are coachable. Murray has a better arm and accuracy, and has proven he can run a pro offense and has upside to be a really smart QB. Daniel was a spread QB who in his experience as a pro QB is a pure one-read then check down QB with some athleticism.

Be honest, you have absolutely no way of knowing whether or not Murray can be better than Daniel at this point.

No idea, no clue... be honest.

If Smith goes down
 

Who would you rather have of the three. Anyone remember how good Daniel looked in the San Diego game? Anyone remember the name of his mentor - that short guy in New Orleans. Bray will be the odd man out. As he should be.

Only if Tennessee wants an in-depth and personal scouting report.

We can only pray that happens. It is pretty rough having that much money on the pine as it is.

Damnit.


Fake a Smith injury, get Bray in there against a shitty defense and run some basic plays.


He will Wow everyone, and we can flip him for a 3rd next year.

Matt Hasselbeck and Mark Brunnell should be included

Preseason is going to kick ass this year. Can't wait.

Or maybe, like some players. He needs to play to understand.

Brunell to an extent, but Reid probably had pretty much no personnel say with him... Hasselbeck, I'd have to disagree, he's 6'4.

Anyone remember who was Matt Cassel's mentor in New England?

Kolb is undersized?

Yeah, if the understudy has any real talent begging to be whittled into shape and brought forth, a HOF mentor is a great thing to have... but a turds a turd no matter how much of a genius his teacher is.

Eh, at 6'3 220 you probably have me there, he honestly doesn't look that big though.

Even though its probably a lot closer to 6'2 212, he isn't exactly small.

That's cuz he's a mouth breather

I believe they will he is an expense they don't need.

I expect the QB order will be Smith, Murray then Bray.

Nope.

But based on his size and measurables and tendencies at the same level, he is, at best, the same guy. And Daniel definitely had more poise at the college level. Murray did some really stupid shit throughout his career.

I fail to see the reason why people would be excited by Murray when he's the same guy as Daniel with less experience and less athleticism. Plus his mechanics aren't very good.

What do you get with Murray that you don't already have in Daniel?

Nothing.

The same guy for a lot less money?

Well he's no first round guard, that's for sure.

Shoo shoo reeruned flu!!

Was still means that he is behind. If he struggled he probably always will struggle.

You are so full of shit on this.
There is not one scout that has said anything like this.

I think Bray is slow to grasp life in general. If you've ever seen any interview with the poor kid, you'd be surprised that he survived life without a helmet. Tennessee must have some easy classes.

Completely agree. I'm looking forward to seeing them stand side by side in camp. They are completely different body types and players.

And more upside

When God made Tyler Bray, he sacrificed a few of Bray's brain cells to give him better arm strength.

Why is Daniel this experienced veteran? The dude has made ONE start in his NFL career, and that was because his coach said, "Ehh, **** it. Why not?"

We're still raped six ways to Sunday if Alex Smith goes down. You may as well throw the rookie out there if it happens.

Ideally, you bring 'em all in to TC and let them battle. You hope that another team loses a QB to injury and remember how well Chase Daniel played in that one game...and then you give 'em the Matt Flynn special, acquiring a mid-late round pick in 2015 to go along with all of the compensatory picks and high picks we'll have from a shitty season.

Smith, Murray, Bray.

This.

Unfortunately some people are stuck on the notion that throwing a rookie qb in the game could/will ruin him. I feel that that notion has been dispelled.

I don't agree.

I think it depends on the QB.

His cap friendly contract!;)

Murray is competition. There was 0 competition last year at qb with all 3 roles clearly defined. Daniel Bray Murray, no one can say today who will be the best come sept. At least we know reid will let qb's compete. Murray went against better D's in college than Daniel and ran a lot of pro style O instead of a spread. And I think he has a better deep ball than Daniel.

Pretty much this. Except we saw how that worked out when Cassel went down and they played Palko. Obviously a terrible example because all three suck donkey dick, but all coaches value veterans (with no experience) over rookies

Thats what she said

Well bye. He is nothing more then a cp folklore pin up poster for those fans Who stalk and beat off to obscure players.

I don't see that happening either. Bray is still young, 22 I think. They won't turn him loose yet. I can see him possibly landing in Tampa and I hate to say it, but it wouldn't surprise me if he landed in Denver if we cut him. Not sure I could take that.

Murray with either be on IR or will be the #2. Daniel is on the bubble, not Bray.

It won't be Daniel who is cut. You'd then have no one behind Alex Smith who's ever taken a snap as a pro.

I agree, I think that makes it unlikely it's Daniel. But it's probably happened before. Depends on what their goals are this year.

The bigger issue here is people are acting like Bray is not a UDFA. Cutting him is not the atrocity cutting a 2nd or 3rd round pick would be. It's not like they've invested that much in him.

Tyler can pack his bags...he has been replaced

No one is acting like it is except for maybe Tomahawk, since he's bobbed off his dick a couple times.

Cutting Daniel has no lesser effect on this team other than saving on the cap and getting rid of a useless pos who's only ever held a clipboard in his life and is making $3mil a year.

Daniel has 1 start. He's not some seasoned vet. If Murray isn't on IR he's toast.