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Micjones 05-10-2014 10:23 PM

Chiefs UDFA's.
 
One clean thread with all of the rumors about undrafted signees.

Albert Wilson WR Georgia State
James Baker RB Idaho
Cairo Santos K Tulane
Cole Pensick C Nebraska
Will Latu OL Abilene Christian
Charcandrick West RB Abilene Christian
David Van Dyke DB Tenn State
Ben Gottschalk OT SMU
Darryl Surgent WR La-Lafayette
Daniel Sorenson S BYU
Kacy Rogers S Miami
Ben Johnson LB Tennessee-Martin
Joey Demartino RB Utah State
Kenny Carter DE Auburn
Kona Schwenke DL Notre Dame
Marcus Heit LS Kansas St
Shawn Shuperd DL Eastern Kentucky (Tryout)

htismaqe 05-10-2014 10:25 PM

Man, I can't get over the Sorenson pickup. I just think that's a good get.

Chiefaholic 05-10-2014 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10622313)
Man, I can't get over the Sorenson pickup. I just think that's a good get.

Given the lack of talent at the position, I'm surprised most of the top rookie FA's weren't ringing the phones off the wall for an opportunity. At least one undrafted prospect will make the final 53, and 1-2 more on the practice squad.

htismaqe 05-10-2014 10:36 PM

Sorenson is gonna make the roster. He's a solid special teamer too.

The Franchise 05-10-2014 11:08 PM

I don't see Schwenke making the 53.....just doesn't have the overall talent.

farmerchief 05-11-2014 07:56 AM

With the drafting of Thomas, plus the UDFA's, Chiefs have a big menu to pick from for the KO/punt returners! Competition should be great!

Direckshun 05-11-2014 07:57 AM

So many names in UDFA this year, and we land ONE of them.

God. This is why the Chiefs can't win shit. They get next to nothing in UDFA.

Johnny Vegas 05-11-2014 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 10622708)
So many names in UDFA this year, and we land ONE of them.

God. This is why the Chiefs can't win shit. They get next to nothing in UDFA.

:thumb:

Gino-Bartali 05-11-2014 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10622425)
I don't see Schwenke making the 53.....just doesn't have the overall talent.

His career was weird. ND literally wasted his redshirt absurdly and then he had some bad luck with injuries (and having Nix ahead of you does not help). This year i was impressed with him. He dominated the Navy game (even with a lot of pain in his ankle) and played very well against ASU too (you can see his cutup against ASU on youtube, very impressive). A heck of a player in my opinion..

jd1020 05-11-2014 08:17 AM

Dont understand how they look at Joe Mays next to DJ and not get Christian Jones in FA.

Hoover 05-11-2014 08:29 AM

Dorsey is just going to scout teams like the Seahawks and 49ers during the preseason and work his magic again

Hoover 05-11-2014 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 10622729)
Dont understand how they look at Joe Mays next to DJ and not get Christian Jones in FA.

I don't know, I think the Bears are a pretty good landing spot too.

hmmm where do I want to live, Chicago or KC, hmmmm

CaliforniaChief 05-11-2014 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 10622746)
Dorsey is just going to scout teams like the Seahawks and 49ers during the preseason and work his magic again

Unfortunately, as opposed to last year, we won't have the ability to take them all.

Chieftain58 05-11-2014 09:22 AM

I agree with all the receivers taken the Chiefs will get a Veteran after the roster cuts

thabear04 05-11-2014 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 10622729)
Dont understand how they look at Joe Mays next to DJ and not get Christian Jones in FA.

Where did he go to?

htismaqe 05-11-2014 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by thabear04 (Post 10622857)
Where did he go to?

Jags.

SPATCH 05-11-2014 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chieftain58 (Post 10622833)
I agree with all the receivers taken the Chiefs will get a Veteran after the roster cuts

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if a guy is cut loose during TC then I think he has to go through the waiver process...

And we're quite a bit lower on the waiver priority than we were last year.

milkman 05-11-2014 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPATCH (Post 10622866)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if a guy is cut loose during TC then I think he has to go through the waiver process...

And we're quite a bit lower on the waiver priority than we were last year.

Depends on how many years he has been in the league.

I believe it's the players with 3 years or less in the league that have to go through the waiver process, but am not certain.

mcaj22 05-11-2014 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 10622873)
Depends on how many years he has been in the league.

I believe it's the players with 3 years or less in the league that have to go through the waiver process, but am not certain.

I thought it was 4 years milky?

milkman 05-11-2014 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 10622911)
I thought it was 4 years milky?

Could be, which is the reason I say I'm not certain.

RealSNR 05-11-2014 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 10622708)
So many names in UDFA this year, and we land ONE of them.

God. This is why the Chiefs can't win shit. They get next to nothing in UDFA.

I was pretty disappointed, too.

We did a FAR better job in UDFA last year than this year.

mcaj22 05-11-2014 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10622939)
I was pretty disappointed, too.

We did a FAR better job in UDFA last year than this year.

so much for Chiefzilla's offseason plan of scraping by the UDFAs and waiver pick ups

Nickel D 05-11-2014 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 10622708)
So many names in UDFA this year, and we land ONE of them.

God. This is why the Chiefs can't win shit. They get next to nothing in UDFA.

But we do hit the motherlode the day after all teams cut down to 53!!

Dante84 05-11-2014 12:55 PM

So, are any of these guys worth a shit?

Dante84 05-11-2014 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nickel D (Post 10623296)
But we do hit the motherlode the day after all teams cut down to 53!!

I think so.

If I'm a decent WR, I'm going to sign with a team where I'll have an opportunity to make an impact.

I think we are a great destination for vets.

And I can't wait til next year, when Jordy comes home!

The Franchise 05-11-2014 01:48 PM

Christian Jones signed with the Bears.

Easy 6 05-11-2014 01:53 PM

Cairo ****ing Santos?

That names just too cool not to make it.

Exoter175 05-11-2014 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 10623314)
So, are any of these guys worth a shit?

Wilson looks like he's got the best chance to make it out of the UDFA's. ;)

Barring any vet signings that is.

keg in kc 05-11-2014 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10623417)
Christian Jones signed with the Bears.

That's the dude I wanted them to grab, but this place has to be a bit of a hard sell for linebackers at this point. He may have a shot to start in Chicago, even as a UDFA. At least I think the MLB position's a bit in flux there, even after re-signing DJ Williams.

Exoter175 05-11-2014 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 10623469)
That's the dude I wanted them to grab, but this place has to be a bit of a hard sell for linebackers at this point. He may have a shot to start in Chicago, even as a UDFA. At least I think the MLB position's a bit in flux there, even after re-signing DJ Williams.

I'm calling this now, they just found their future starter in the UDFA market with C jones.

mdchiefsfan 05-11-2014 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 10622746)
Dorsey is just going to scout teams like the Seahawks and 49ers during the preseason and work his magic again

I will not be surprised to see us grab a WR or two that gets the boot after all these WRs were drafted.

OldSchool 05-11-2014 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 10623314)
So, are any of these guys worth a shit?

Albert Wilson: Great drive and the pure athletic ability to make it at least as a special teamer in his first year. He can be a #4 deep threat as a rookie with 4.3-4.4 wheels. Very similar player to Bruce Ellington in this draft and TY Hilton/Cobb in terms of measurables and playing style. Shot to make it because we have a pretty weak WR core with Bowe, Avery, and Jenkins being the only locks to make the team.

Daniel Sorensen: Great size and measurables for a safety, smart kid. He has great acceleration but only ok speed overall. We need a 4th safety and he has as good a shot to make it as any.

CoMoChief 05-11-2014 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 10622747)
I don't know, I think the Bears are a pretty good landing spot too.

hmmm where do I want to live, Chicago or KC, hmmmm

personally I would hate to live in CHI.

great vaca spot if you like big cities, lots to do.

But I couldn't live there.

OldSchool 05-11-2014 02:36 PM

If I were a UDFA I would do my best to go play at a place where there is very little to no income tax. Miami, Tampa, Jacksonville, and Dallas are all places where you can likely go and have a real shot at making the roster. Other options are Houston and Seattle but it'll be tougher to make those rosters than the others that I mentioned before.

Easy 6 05-11-2014 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 10623508)
personally I would hate to live in CHI.

great vaca spot if you like big cities, lots to do.

But I couldn't live there.

Same here, KC is a much more "manageable" city... the sprawl of a town like Chicago just turns me off.

I prefer the smaller cities like KC, St, Louis etc.

The Franchise 05-11-2014 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 10623484)
I'm calling this now, they just found their future starter in the UDFA market with C jones.

If i remember correctly. ..they drafted Jon Bostic last year as well.

CoMoChief 05-11-2014 02:55 PM

WR-Albert Wilson
S-Daniel Sorenson
DL-Kona Schwenke
C-Cole Pensick

keg in kc 05-11-2014 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10623555)
If i remember correctly. ..they drafted Jon Bostic last year as well.

They've supposedly moved him out to the strong side spot. I don't know how much Williams has left in the tank, which is why I'm thinking it's a good spot for Jones to land.

CoMoChief 05-11-2014 03:04 PM

Is there a list of all of the UDFA signings?

Saccopoo 05-11-2014 03:56 PM

Sorensen and Wilson have as much of a shot to make this team as any of the draft picks, maybe more so as they are at positions that represent the weakest spots on the roster outside of the offensive line.

As OldSchool said, Sorensen has tremendous turn and burst capabilities which translates well to what a safety does/covers. He has really quick feet, nails his cuts/plants, and has fluid hips. He's smart, instinctive and fundamentally sound. He's already an upgrade to the dog shit we had on the field last year in Lewis and Robinson. He ran a 4.54 on his Pro Day and upgraded his broad jump by 10". I would have been happy with him as our 5th or 6th round pick.

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Wilson looks to have as much in the way of measurables and production as a lot of guys taken in the draft. (Just another one of those dudes who was running a 4.4 something with a 37"+ vertical in this draft.) Very good returner as well. Thick, compact frame. Looks to have good field awareness. Guys wanting a Josh Huff, Bruce Ellington, Robert Herron type player should be happy.

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Dante84 05-11-2014 06:51 PM

Just saw we are bringing Marcus Davis into camp?

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Dante84 05-11-2014 06:51 PM

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Dante84 05-11-2014 06:53 PM

"Why Marcus Davis is the Perfect Late Round Steal"

SAUTO 05-11-2014 06:58 PM

Where are you seeing that?
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Easy 6 05-11-2014 07:03 PM

ALWAYS found Tabitha Sorenson incredibly hot, sign her up and lets roll.

Exoter175 05-11-2014 07:30 PM

Call me crazy, but when I look at sorensen, I see a coverage linebacker, not a safety, and he'd have to beat out a lot of much better safeties to get a spot here.

htismaqe 05-11-2014 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 10624527)
Call me crazy, but when I look at sorensen, I see a coverage linebacker, not a safety, and he'd have to beat out a lot of much better safeties to get a spot here.

You're crazy.

Micjones 05-11-2014 07:50 PM

If they can help Davis develop as a receiver, he could be something.
His combination of size and speed is very impressive.
You aren't going to catch him from behind often. He's got a great second gear.

RealSNR 05-11-2014 07:50 PM

Shit, Sorensen is white?

I change my mind. Dude is camp fodder.

Dante84 05-11-2014 07:52 PM

Saw it on the Chief Concerns facebook page

htismaqe 05-11-2014 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10624593)
Shit, Sorensen is white?

I change my mind. Dude is camp fodder.

He's gonna make the team. Great special teams player.

RealSNR 05-11-2014 07:56 PM

I didn't trust Jon McGraw.

I didn't trust Sabby Piscatelli.

I'm not about to trust Daniel Sorensen.

OldSchool 05-11-2014 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10624593)
Shit, Sorensen is white?

I change my mind. Dude is camp fodder.

LMAO Isn't Eric Weddle white?

RealSNR 05-11-2014 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10624627)
LMAO Isn't Eric Weddle white?

So was Jason Seahorn.

The Yosemite supervolcano isn't due for an explosion for another 100,000 years or so, and the same goes for the next great white defensive back after Weddle

Exoter175 05-11-2014 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10624568)
You're crazy.

I'm just saying, you put 30lbs on him, and he's a linebacker, not a safety, guys lack of speed and explosion put him at a borderline linebacker anyways.

OldSchool 05-11-2014 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10624638)
So was Jason Seahorn.

The Yosemite supervolcano isn't due for an explosion for another 100,000 years or so, and the same goes for the next great white defensive back after Weddle

John Lynch? Every generation a new one needs to be born. Why not Sorensen? Lol.

htismaqe 05-11-2014 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 10624670)
I'm just saying, you put 30lbs on him, and he's a linebacker, not a safety, guys lack of speed and explosion put him at a borderline linebacker anyways.

Look at him. You're not putting 30 pounds on him.

Furthermore, he's an ace gunner and is always around the ball in kick coverage. You try to beef him up and you neutralize the biggest thing he brings to the team.

They don't need him to play safety but every team needs guys that can knock the shit out of returners.

RealSNR 05-11-2014 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10624686)
John Lynch? Every generation a new one needs to be born. Why not Sorensen? Lol.

You keep on the hunt for that white safety of yours, Captain Ahab. I'll be on dry land working with the real talent.

OldSchool 05-11-2014 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10624691)
You keep on the hunt for that white safety of yours, Captain Ahab. I'll be on dry land working with the real talent.

Lol. I'm not expecting much from any of these UDFAs. It's just that Sorensen and Wilson are, from what I see, the two best that we managed to bring in.

Just hoping for the best.

RealSNR 05-11-2014 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10624702)
Lol. I'm not expecting much from any of these UDFAs. It's just that Sorensen and Wilson are, from what I see, the two best that we managed to bring in.

Just hoping for the best.

I can appreciate that. You're being honest and true to what you see.

I just think white men can't jump, that's all. And most of the time I'm right.

Saccopoo 05-11-2014 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 10624527)
Call me crazy, but when I look at sorensen, I see a coverage linebacker, not a safety, and he'd have to beat out a lot of much better safeties to get a spot here.

And those guys would be who on the roster exactly?

I mean, those "much better safeties."

Dunerdr 05-11-2014 08:35 PM

You don't **** with sorensons ace gunner ability. Period. We didn't have a specialty ace gunner after we picked up that garbage pile Marcus cooper. And look where it got us first round playoff loss. **** you john Dorsey .

OldSchool 05-11-2014 08:36 PM

It says on several draft sites that Marcus Davis ran a 4.47 at the combine and 4.44 at his pro day?

He's 6'3" and did it at 233 pounds. 39 1/2" vertical.

Are they just getting that off of the unofficial numbers?

OldSchool 05-11-2014 08:40 PM

This is from rotoworld:

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Virginia Tech WR Marcus Davis measured 6-foot-3 1/8 and 230 pounds during this week's East-West Shrine weigh-in.
CBS Sports' Dane Brugler has likened Davis' receiving upside to Dez Bryant's, and he certainly is built like the Dallas Cowboys' star getting off the bus. Davis has huge hands (10 1/8") and arms that would be suitably long for an NFL left tackle (33 3/4"). We sure wish he were a better football player. Tue, Jan 15, 2013 09:33:00 PM
Source: National Football Post
He's one of Dorsey's long shots I guess.

Dante84 05-11-2014 09:45 PM

I think he's going to be my Bobby Sippio this year.

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Dante84 05-11-2014 09:49 PM

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OldSchool 05-11-2014 09:57 PM

Too bad his knock is that he gives 0 effort in run blocking and is overall just not a hard worker. Dez Bryant upside but sounds like Ryan Leaf mentality.

Dante84 05-11-2014 10:06 PM

zero risk, high reward.

Hope he shapes up.

booger 05-12-2014 02:56 AM

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...-path-to-draft

This kid was invited to a try out. Project but has Kam Chancellor size if they try him at SS. Potentially an athlete to groom behind DJ at WILB.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...2014&genpos=SS

Not Telvin Smith. But potentially could fill the same role for those of us that wanted to draft smith. Nickel LB/Special teams and see if he can fit at SS or ILB long term

OldSchool 05-12-2014 03:13 AM

Long shot at the ILB position, IMO. Too slow to play SS but fast, physical, and big enough for ILb.

booger 05-12-2014 03:22 AM

He's a slower Taylor mays. Gonna have to bust ass on special teams. Taxi squad prospect that's a good athlete. I like the idea even though he's not a high end prospect I like looking at adding that type to this d

OldSchool 05-12-2014 03:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by booger (Post 10625040)
He's a slower Taylor mays. Gonna have to bust ass on special teams. Taxi squad prospect that's a good athlete. I like the idea even though he's not a high end prospect I like looking at adding that type to this d

Mays seems to be the opposite of that kid. Big, fast as hell, hits like a mack truck, but can't play football worth a shit for all that physical abilities that he had. This kid at least seems like he has some natural football abilities if not for the lack of speed. Any links to extended videos of him? I'd like to see if he plays faster than he timed.

booger 05-12-2014 03:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10625041)
Mays seems to be the opposite of that kid. Big, fast as hell, hits like a mack truck, but can't play football worth a shit for all that physical abilities that he had. This kid at least seems like he has some natural football abilities if not for the lack of speed. Any links to extended videos of him? I'd like to see if he plays faster than he timed.

I haven't looked at YouTube yet.

TEX 05-12-2014 05:00 AM

All you who think you know something about any of these guys crack me up...Most know close to nothing, get your info from some scouting report, come here with a take, and argue with those who have a different one...LMAO

OldSchool 05-12-2014 05:10 AM

Should watch Poe's Memphis stuff. Deron Furr is number 14 on that team. I think he must have caught the eyes of our scouts when they checked out Poe. He does stand out from what I've seen. All I have to go off of right now is highlights so of course he's going to look good, but you can tell certain things.

He's definitely not a safety from the little I've seen. Punishing LB type with how he throws his body around.

OldSchool 05-12-2014 05:27 AM

What NFL.com had to say about him.
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STRENGTHS Has long arms and a solid frame. Good body power and hip snap. Disciplined playing the cutback. Has a knack for timing up collisions. Good eyes, instincts and anticipation. Carries a swagger and plays with confidence.
WEAKNESSES Is a bit of a 'tweener, lacking ideal size for a linebacker and the hips, fluidity and foot speed for a safety. Allows too much separation in man coverage and tends to freelance in zones. Can do a better job getting skinny as a blitzer.
DRAFT PROJECTION Round 7-Priority free agent
BOTTOM LINE Hard-hitting, playmaking Division II rover safety who projects to the weak-side linebacker position in the pros. Stood out in the Medal of Honor all-star game, when he earned MVP honors and showed up heavily around the ball. Has developmental linebacker potential.
It's pretty much what you can see off of what's available on youtube. Most, if not all, of it is of his time at Memphis. He played there when Poe was on the team in 2010.

Buehler445 05-12-2014 08:03 AM

I was hoping KC would pick up James Sims but it looks like GB picked him up.

SAUTO 05-12-2014 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TEX (Post 10625053)
All you who think you know something about any of these guys crack me up...Most know close to nothing, get your info from some scouting report, come here with a take, and argue with those who have a different one...LMAO

you just made a great addition to the thread

OldSchool 05-12-2014 08:46 AM

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