The Dark Knight Rises *Spoilers* Thread
For anyone who has seen the movie and wants to discuss it.
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If you played Arkham Asylum or follow the comics, you knew that Bane wasn't the son of Rhaas Al Ghoul, so you knew Talia was coming sometime. I liked knowing that, though, because it resulted in an hour's worth of "Oh shit! They are ****ed!"
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Let's be honest. If it wasn't for Heath Ledger this trilogy is a disaster.
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Anyone else find it interesting that Bane was in an outfit similar to that of the Red Hood?
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The dynamic between Alfred and Bruce was one of the real highlights of the movie ( non- action wise)
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I cant decide whether i thought banes voice was comical or creepy, but it did have a sort of jolliness in it that was unnerving. I know i couldnt understand a 3rd of what he said.
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i felt in this one the core of the cast wasnt diverse enough. In a sense that it was hard for me to suspend my belief and create the distance between the actors and actresses of their characters in the Batman Nolan-Universe. Nolan used WAY too many of the cast out of Inception, and it just reminded me of their roles and characters in Inception. That's the problem when you use too many of your "buddies" in a movie. No different than when Apatow uses the same group of actors in every comedy movie he makes, it gets stale really quick and it just made it hard for me to buy in.
Everybody in Inception but Leo DiCaprio was the entire core of the Batman movie and just like they complimented DiCaprio in Inception they did it to Bale in Batman, they just did a poor job of selling their roles because of the precedent being set as a core in Inception. It was a good movie though, but you could tell it was Nolan's "guys." |
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And to be honest while Hedger's performance was great, he surely wouldn't have gotten as much hype if it weren't for the way he died and story behind it all. |
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So much of TDKR has moments that you think are good character moments but later you realize that the only purpose they served in the film was to swerve the audience, to set up a patented Nolan TWIST! |
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What was the Twist? The fact that Bruce was with Cat Woman? The Fact that he didn't die? Just a little confused |
I really enjoyed the bane story line - I am glad he broke batman's back but I think bruce healed a bit quickly.
I had a small qualm with Bane's voice - it sounded too clear quality wise - for being muffled - it seemed dubbed over to me - does this make sense |
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The scene where bane fought batman and broke his back was almost sad to watch. It was unbelievable to see batman practically powerless.
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Awesome line and interaction. |
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(Sorry, cheap shot, had to) Seriously though, it didn't bother me one bit. I guess because I didn't see it as a twist. I knew going in there was no way they were killing off Bruce Wayne. I'm just THRILLED we got the breaking of the Bat. That's all I really wanted. Well, that, and a competent Catwoman. I'm satisfied on both scores. |
Of course it was a cheap shot. You'd get a much better shot, one that actually makes sense, if you paid more for it. (I can see your argument as to how BB puts characters in service of the plot. But TDKR puts characters in service of plot twists. That's a different thing)
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My biggest beef with the film re: thing-being-included-only-to-set-up-twists is the whole pit prison deal. It seemed to be doing 2 things: 1.) show how tough Bane was because he alone escaped, and 2.) teach Bruce that if he no longer fears death then he can save Gotham from Bane (which would reinforce the sacrificing-himself-by-flying-the-nuke-out-to-sea bit, which was somewhat undone by the cop-out reveal that he somehow lived and he and Selina got clean slates and moved to Italy.
But the twist that it was Talia that escaped, not Bane, does harm to the film, IMO. Because...why was Bane tough then? Or smart? Bane couldn't figure out -- like I'm sure many of us did very quickly into the prison scenes -- that the rope was the only thing preventing you from escaping. He didn't escape through some sheer force of will. He was rescued, in fact (albeit after contracting whatever painful plague thing he got). So Bane goes down like the chump that he was (accidentally) revealed to be as soon as Bruce next encounters him. Bruce doesn't learn any secret to beating Bane, because that lesson about fear-of-death doesn't end up applying to anything. It all was working for me as the film went along...until the needless twist. |
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That was my take at least. |
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Weakest of the trilogy BUT still good.
I'll definitely see it again in theaters! |
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Bruce even says in the prison how he's afraid of x, y, and z. That was before he learned the stuff that allowed him to get out of the pit. |
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Did anyone else feel like the "court room" scenes were tailor made for the Joker?
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"Oh what a nice voice" At the football game. :facepalm: But loved the movie otherwise. Just brilliant stuff. Nolan is on a whole other level with these films. No other comic book film comes close IMO. |
BTW, anyone catch the "Man of Steel" trailer? It was ok, but i was disappointed because it wasnt the longer one shown at Comic Con. It really didnt reveal much.
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He was learning how important fear is. The issue is he needed the fear back. I think that plays pretty heavily into his escape. Perhaps not so heavily into defeating Bane, I'll grant you. But I don't think it was entirely pointless or inconsequential. The movie, to me, seemed to be like Batman Begins in reverse. The whole second half was more about Bruce vs himself than Batman vs Bane. Not arguing that as a strength or a weakness, just making an observation. I'm fine with Bane being muscle and less brains. And in the end Batman still wasn't going to be able to defeat Bane on his own. But, again, I'm not sure that's what it was about. And the Breaking Bad crack was just that. It was a crack. Me making fun of myself more than anything. Your comment sounded similar to some of mine re: that show. And I don't think it's worlds apart, frankly. We've seen characters on BB acting completely out of character for the sake of plot, and sometimes, even plot "twists." |
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I had that same thought. And it would have been funny. But Joker was so much about chaos and anarchy that having him as a judge dolling out sentences in an "orderly" court would have felt really false, to me. |
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I think if Nolan has a producer credit on the film, it's token. |
OK, I think I misheard some of the dialogue in the prison scenes then.
So what does re-gaining fear mean for Bruce? How was that relevant to Bruce saving Gotham? What is there to justify the prison even existing in the movie? |
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The rope eliminates the fear of death. If you don't make the jump, you know you're going to be fine. |
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I think it also helps justify Bruce's decision to escape death at the end. Bruce doesn't want to die. We all know Batman won't die. He'll live on as a symbol. Even before we're 100% sure about Robin John Blake becoming Batman 2.0, we know Batman will live on. For me, it worked thematically. What bothered me about it was the cramming down our throats that the auto-pilot didn't work. Why did Batman lie about it at the end? To mislead the AUDIENCE. That's a foul as far as I'm concerned. If Catwoman would have just said, "what's the plan fly out, and eject..." and Batman hadn't answered and just given a look it would have meant more. Because the audience was already tracking that plot point. Batman's lie made his escaping death cheaper, to me. I still liked it, but it was cheapened a bit. |
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At any rate, I don't know what that lesson imparts to Bruce or to the film. |
One of the major themes of the movie, obviously, is hiding. So much of it is about exile. Learning not to run and hide (from feelings, the past, enemies, fear, truth, etc) is a big lesson for almost every character in the film.
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Even if Bruce was unafraid to die, even if he never learned a lesson about fear, I'm 100% sure that if he could eject out of the plane safely and not die in a nuclear explosion then he would. |
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Damnit, I'm gonna' have to see this again, I think.
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1. **** David Letterman
2. It was really good. |
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I would say that Bruce Wayne had to find a reason to live again. The entire movie, from that standpoint, was building up to Bruce Wayne's decision to accept life over death. This was a story about the character becoming human again. The rope was about letting go of whatever is holding you back so that you can move on to the next step in your life. Bruce Wayne needed to do something like that before he could stop being Batman.
Batman was always going to live on. With or without Robin taking over, the symbol would live on forever. But the only way for Batman to be effective was for the legend to be handed over to someone else. I like the idea of "Batman" and "Catwoman" retiring together. Selina Kyle saved him. Quite a while ago I posted that Catwoman is a great villain if handled correctly. She needed to be that crazy chick that makes you go, "**** being a superhero. I'm with her." I don't know if it would have worked if she had been as crazy as I envisioned but it worked with her as his outlet to a more normal life. |
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I went and saw this at the only IMAX theater in San Diego and when I got out there were news vans everywhere in the parking lot.
Also the ushers checked the emergency exits about every 10 min through the movie. Really weird. |
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Was that the bat signal at the end? Does that mean he's still gonna be Batman? Will there be a Batman and Robin movie now?
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I didn't see it so much as preparing the way for a new movie, but the idea that "Batman" will live on. One of the themes of these movies was Batman giving the city hope so that someone else would step up. I think he hoped it would be the police or Harvey Dent or ordinary citizens, but at least SOMEONE else was going to come to the aid of the city when it needed it in the future.
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Didn't like this movie at all. Didn't care about Catwoman, didn't care about Robin. Bane was boring, the romance was uninteresting. Every bit of the first half of the movie was written to service a plot that wasn't that good to begin with. Batman spends so much of the movie down a hole that I really need to come to care about these other characters, and to learn about who these people are. But there were so few character moments in the film, instead it was all this neat and tidy, "Now let's show the bat tanks, that's going to be important" bullshit.
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I haven't seen it since it first came out, but I don't recall the actress that plays Talia Al Ghul having that rack in Inception.
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FYI Bale did change his tune mentioning last month that he'd be open to doing another Batman movie with Nolan if he wanted to. After this one it'd be a shame not to do a Batman and Robin film. The fans will be salivating for it. The chemistry between Bale and JGL is too good to pass up.
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I doubt it will happen. Nolan's Batman is too old and broken. The only way it could be pulled off is the "Batman Beyond" kind of thing, where an old Bruce Wayne helps a younger man become Batman/Robin. I think that would suck, TBH.
It should be left where it is. It began and ended perfectly and should be left as the neat package it is. |
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There will definitely be more Batman flicks, but it will be hard for anyone to ever top or equal these. Which is awesome, but kinda sad, too.
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I'd see it, just because I'm a sucker for comic book flicks. But I know it wouldn't be as good as I'd want it to be.
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Saw this last night & freaking loved it. It wasn't perfect, but I thought it was a damn good movie & I'll definitely be seeing it again.
I don't know how well it'd go over, and I'm not even that big of a Robin fan in general, but I could see them trying to make a Robin movie with Batman/Bale having a cameo, and I can see myself watching it. As awesome as it'd be to see Bale back, it wouldn't make much sense considering he retired & passed the torch to JGL. |
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Batman's personal message to Gordon that he's still alive. A message to criminals> Remember in TDK when gordon was on the roof with the other cop and made a comment about using the signal as a deterrent even if he never sees Batman. Use of the signal as a symbol to criminals to second guess if he's out there. |
One place I have to nitpick - and I'm surprised that a Nolan film had this big of a continuity issue in it:
The Wall Street scene. Bane asks how long before the transaction goes through and is told either 8-9 minutes. (Don't recall exactly) Bane, his crew, and the hostages come barreling out of the SE on motorbikes while it is still daylight. Somehow during the chase - in a less than 8 minute span - it's nighttime in Gotham. |
Was I the only one that thought the movie was going to abruptly end when Alfred looked up at the cafe?
I think a Sopranos-like ending would have been incredible. |
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