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Is Brett Favre the Best ever??

Fred Smoot thinks so!

No.

No.

not even close.
Montana, Unitas,Elway,Graham,Starr,Bradshaw,Staubach were more consistant IMO. Favre, while a great QB, was too reckless at times and outside of 1996, always ended the season with a rotten game.
I'd put him in the next tier with Aikman, Brady, and above the gag-club,
Manning, Marino, Fouts, and Moon.

Even a blind pig can throw an acorn 8 million 400 thousand times.

FAX

Over 57,000 yards

256 Consecutive games

5000 Completions

413 TD's

3 Reg Season MVP's 1 SB MVP

He gets my vote.

Favre is the man. Top 5 of all time.

Another win tonight. Should put him as the winningest QB in history??

Perhaps, but without fingers, I would think they would have difficulty grasping the acorns in the first place.

He's no jay cutler...thats for sure.

If Brett was a Chief his whole career-we would have a few SB's to talk about.

what?

Brett Favre is going to have to get in line behind Montana, Unitas, and Elway for the GOAT designation. I wouldn't even put Brett in the top 5. Certainly, he belongs in the HOF. But he's definitely not deserving of being in the GOAT discussion.

Elgay in the top 5 are you high. Brett blows his stats away. Montana never had the heart our arm of Favre-he played on a great team.

Marino has to be number 2.

No. Simply because you are Halfcan, not a whole can. The TalkingCan is more impressive than both a half can and a whole can, so that's that.

he can't hold Montana's reconstructed elbow...

Montana never had the "heart" of Farve?

please....Montana was a god damned ninja

Favre and Marino over Montana and Elway.

you know, this isnt fantasy league we are talking about. its the real game where wins and losses mean something.

let me guess, Manning is #3?

I always thought Marino was better than Montana.

at what, coming apart in big games?

Halfwit,
How many ints has Favre thrown.

He's second all time, only 6 or 7 behind George Blanda, who played for, like a 100 years.

Favre
Marino
Montana
Baugh
Unitas
Graham
Fouts

Montana had a certain calm and composure in the pocket that very few had.

But he won SBs with teams that were loaded with talent, both offensively and defensively.

Marino never played with teams that came close to matching that talent.

you're like Hootie when he's 60...

You, my friend, are a dumbass.

At throwing for over 60,000 yards and 420 TD's for a team that had average wideouts, crappy defense, and no running game.

If Montana had played for the Fins all those years-nobody would remember him. Put Marino on the 49ers and he would have 70,000 yards and at least 6 SB's.

I like you, Halfcan..and I dont mean to pile on...but..are you kidding me??

I think that's all anybody needs to know about your perspective in this discussion.

There's no doubt Marino had a great arm.

He was about as mobile as a fire hydrant though, and because of it, his team was forced to use all of their team resources to protect him.

Marino doesn't even approach Montana in the GOAT discussion without addressing him as "Sir."

Top 5, Top 10, doesn't matter.

He's won a SB ring, a SBMVP, and he'll have a bust in Canton.

That pretty much speaks for itself.

If Montana played on the Fins all those years, the Dolphins might be known for winning Superbowls, and not for being post-season chokers.

you don't have Elway in the top 7?

Under Dan Fouts?

holy mother

So who should not be on that list then??

fatality

Elgay is not on my top 10. Fouts was twice the passer of Elgay.

ROFL


I get it. You hate Elway and the Broncos and refuse to give him his due.

No skin off my back. It's not like I'm sitting here clueless as to where Elway fits in NFL history.

Montana actually was a very mobile QB before he hurt his back in the mid 80's..he was one of the greatests at eluding a rusher that i've ever seen..thats not in the stats though..Montana also had no running game when they won their first superbowl in 82..he had HOF rb bill ring as his feature back..

So is Manning mobile, was Montana-give me a break. Joe had to pad his stats in KC, or the SB would be all he had. If you are just going by SB wins-put Bradshaw in there. Does Brady get the nod now because of his outstanding postseason??

Favre is/was better than Elway.

The thing about Favre is he combines everything from every great qb. He has the stats to play with Marino, the title to go up against Montana, Elway et al.

The best point made has been the poster who said he will have a bust in canton is all that matters. True dat.

I hate Elway as much as the next guy, but he was fantastic in the clutch, was mobile and had a cannon for an arm.


Hes easily top 5. Maybe top 3

Favre might be in the top 5, but he sure as hell isn't the best.

And Baugh sure as hell isn't top 5.

And as much as I dislike the man, Elway took 3 Donkey teams with even less talent that Marino's Dolphins to the SB.

He didn't win 'em, but he got them there.

Dan Marino put great stats into the record books. John Elway put mediocre teams into the Superbowl.

That's all I need to know about the Dan/John debate.

If you want to talk about pure talent-how can Slingin Sammy Baugh be off your guys list.

He won Championships, held 11 passing records, plus played Punter and Cornerback. In 1943 led the league in passing, punting and interceptions-a triple crown.

His 51.4 punting average is still a record plus he complete 70 percent of his passes in 45. QBs were not pampered like they are today.

Montana never did that.

you are wrong on the heart of Montana. Montana did not have the arm of most of the top 30 qb's of all time, but he had more heart than most of them. With all due respect halfcan, stick to what made you famous...YouTube - Rush 2112

And got choked in SB's. 55-10 to San Fran.

A quarterback in 1943 would be lucky to make the practice squad in 2006. They drew plays in the dirt back then. They install offenses in the offseason now.

You might as well be comparing a rugby player to a football player. You're practically talking about different sports when you compare the pre-superbowl era players to the post-superbowl era, especially when you start throwing punting records into the mix.

God love 'em for paving the way. But it's a different sport now.

fyp

Compared to Marino? Dan the man used to fire his team up like no other-the guy had the heart of a lion. He came back from a knee injury that would have ended most QB's career.

Steve Young was a better all around QB than Montana. That guy was a warrior.

And Baugh played in an era when the forward pass was still a relatively novel idea, and few teams utilized it to the same extent.

Defenses weren't as complex as they are today.

You really are a freakin' moron.

Was marino beaten by Mr. Montana in the superbowl too? Knee injury< back injury. Steve Young needed an injury to take joes job. After Joe came back, Young brought a better team into Arrowhead and was still the second best quarterback in the stadium.

All if that is true but does that make worse players. Those guys played with broken bones, got clotheslined, had their knees taken out.

Sammy paved the way for the modern passing era-yet is forgotten.

Broadway Joe-nerves of steel

Johnny Unitas-probably the biggest heart of all

Lenny the Cool-way underestimated for his acuracy and leadership. Does pretty good on the news too-lol

Say Half, whatever happened between you and the friend?

Must have fogotten Montana had the benefit of the best defense in the NFL, best WR ever, huge O-line, and a devasting Special teams.

What did Marino have. The Marks brothers, no running game, and a shitty D.

NO. He probably just lost me my second post season game in a row too. Sure hope I can find a good off season free-agent to replace him with in my keeper league without breaking my bank.

You mean after the greats such as Grbac and Huard?

Farve's in my top 7. Elway's in my top 15. Go figure.

And Montana was the best IMO. Marino was shit compared to Joe Montana. Hell, Brady sits higher than Marino. Dumbass choked every damn season.

All of that is true.

But Montana was something special.

I actually thought much the same way as you in the Marino-Montana debate, but then he took a sorry ass group of players wearing the red and gold to the AFC championship game, winning in the clutch a couple of times making plays in the passing game with receivers like Willie freakin' Davis, and I realized that Montana raised the level of play around him like no other QB could.

Marino did as well, but not not nearly as much as Montana did.

Montana won 2 superbowls before he had any of these things.

Montana had a great team, but he was the type of guy that made everybody around him better. He almost turned Marty Schottenheimer into a winner, that should end the argument right there. Without Montana, Marty literally wouldn't have anything to hang his hat on in the last 20 years since the fumble. If I had one game to win, he'd be my QB.

Agreed..that should be all!!

Montana had it all, no doubt about it. Marino had below average talent his whole career-and obliterated every record. If Marino had managed to win a SB-people would not shit on him so bad.

A big part of the reason that Marino holds all those records is that he never had a ground game to support him, and with everything else lacking, he did have an outstanding pass protection group in front of him.

He did have that quick release, but for a team that couldn't run the ball, he had all kinds of time to pass, and he passed a lot.

Marty almost singlehandly created comeback John Elgay too. If it wasn't for his uncanny ability to choke away games under pressure-he would just be considered an above average player.

I won't even mention how the Donks cheated the cap, or how his line greased up to create a dominating running game, or how the NFL protected him the last leg of his career to finally get him the SB titles.

Thanks to an incredible new system and a HOF coach.

The End.

Marino would've choked as a 49er. San Fran wouldn't have won a SB without Montana, I guarantee it.

How in the hell was Marino a choke artist? He won the most games in the NFl. I think you must be thinking about Shovel pass crybaby Manning.

ROFL Man, I'm glad I never got involved with LSD.

Wrong. John Elway is the current owner of that record.

I thought it was Marino, Favre, Elgay in wins?

What are the current totals?

Marino choked more when it mattered than any other QB in history. Stats are crap. A great QB can make the crappiest team play the role of a SB winner. Marino couldn't.

You must have missed all the games and playoff games Marty lost to Elgay with his prevent defense.

And you must have missed that he was being coached by a Marty Schottenheimer clone and managed to raise his game anyway, not to mention the playoff wins against teams such as the Warren Moon-led Houston Oilers, Chuck Noll-led Pittsburgh Steelers, Bill Cowher-led Pittsburgh Steelers, Bill Parcells led New York Jets, Tom Coughlin-led Jacksonville Jaguars, Dan Marino-led Miami Dolphins... And oh yeah, the Brett Favre-led Green Bay Packers.

say what you want, but speaking of Quarterbacks, (and it's spelled FAVRE, not FARVE... damned mouth-breathers) three hall of fame QBs were drafted in the 1983 QB draft... elway, kelly, and marino

who do we friggin' draft?!?

TODD fuckING BLACKLEDGE

...UGH...

Speaking of which, the 2006 draft was the return of 1983. These three kids are going to be special...

and for the record, favre's a damned good QB... depending on when you ask me, he's in my top five

in NO particular order (eras too different to determine order)

elway (hate to say it--he ripped the heart literally out of my chest repeatedly--I hate this man)
montana (just won--and isn't that the only job of a QB?)
marino (can't ignore the stats)
faVRe
johnny unitas

are GOING to be? hell, young and leinart already are... and cutler (ugh) definately has the skills to be as good, if not better, than both of em'

congrats on having a QB... as a chiefs fan, I've never seen a hall of fame QB lead my team (eh, other than the two years of montana, which barely even counts, as I was too young to remember)

I may give you bronco fans sh*t about the cheating and cut blocking, but honestly, I'd tolerate either of those if the chiefs were to win a super bowl... it sucks being the cubs of the NFL

The Chiefs will have their day, and all the misery will make it worth it. I know that sounds backwards, but you'll understand once you experience it. Hang in there.

Top 2 QBs of all time were Montana and Elway, IMO.

Dan Fouts? WTF?

He didn't beat Coughlin, Favre, or Cowher until he had Terrell Davis and shucked his "marty clone", and got his ass handed to him three times in the SB. Stop with the half-truths.

Hardly half truths. There is no doubt that our Hall of Fame bound runningback had a lot to do with Elway's Superbowl success. But the presence of Terrell Davis doesn't in any way diminish the accomplishments of Elway, despite what the Elway-haters would want us all to believe.

Elway was going to take whatever team he played for to the Superbowl multiple times, whoever that team was. Whether that team was good enough to win it depended on the quality of the team. Unfortunately, the quality of the early teams just wasn't there.