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Hog's Gone Fishin 09-20-2014 11:22 AM

Reid would have went for two
 
Go for one or two?

Reid left no doubt what he would have done had the Chiefs scored a touchdown in the final seconds and drawn within 24-23 last Sunday at Denver.

Play for overtime with an extra point or go for the win with a two▪ -point conversion.

“I was going to go for two,” Reid said on Friday, with no hesitation.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl...#storylink=cpy


:hmmm: Thoughts ?

Discuss Thrower 09-20-2014 11:23 AM

He can say all he wants in a presser six days later, but at the end of the day even he doesn't know what he'd do because they didn't get a touchdown..

Marcellus 09-20-2014 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 10930547)
He can say all he wants in a presser six days later, but at the end of the day even he doesn't know what he'd do because they didn't get a touchdown..

Even he doesn't know what he was planning to do at the time? Wow.

I guess that explains a lot.

TLO 09-20-2014 11:25 AM

Going for 2 would have been the right call, as I, and many others in the game thread pointed out.

Prison Bitch 09-20-2014 11:26 AM

He wasn't going for 2. Fat Andy is one of the most terrified coaches I've ever seen. He kicked FG on 4th & goal at the 1 in both Denver and Indy last year. It's laughable he'd pull this act when we all know it's totally false

jd1020 09-20-2014 11:26 AM

Probably should have worried about getting 6 first.

Iconic 09-20-2014 11:27 AM

Yeah great idea, trust the offense to go for two when they couldn't even get the job done on 4th and goal.

Discuss Thrower 09-20-2014 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 10930551)
Even he doesn't know what he was planning to do at the time? Wow.

I guess that explains a lot.

I can walk off the teebox and plan to take a 3-wood from 210 yards out for a shot at eagle but it's not a sure thing until I take the club out of the bag and address the ball.

Red Dawg 09-20-2014 11:34 AM

Terrible idea. Manning only needing a Field goal to win with a minute left. Better shot in OT because you at least get the ball.

Mr. Laz 09-20-2014 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Smoke (Post 10930554)
Going for 2 would have been the right call, as I, and many others in the game thread pointed out.

we were talking about that as soon as we got to midfield


You don't take Peyton Manning into overtime with our defense.

go for 2

Prison Bitch 09-20-2014 11:36 AM

It's real simple: in strategy, if you can't think of what you want to do, ask youself: "What does my opponent NOT want me to do?" It's pretty obvious what John Fox would not want.

Lonewolf Ed 09-20-2014 11:37 AM

No flipping way would he have gone for two when he didn't go for it on 4th and a foot from near midfield when the offense was moving the ball. No way.

Mr. Laz 09-20-2014 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iconic (Post 10930560)
Yeah great idea, trust the offense to go for two when they couldn't even get the job done on 4th and goal.

but you want to trust that offense to score quick in overtime?


you want to trust our shitty defense to not give up a big play?

Discuss Thrower 09-20-2014 11:41 AM

Reid would have kicked the XP. He would have thought about going for 2 but would have decided that taking a tie into OT on the road was the best option.

jd1020 09-20-2014 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 10930597)
It's real simple: in strategy, if you can't think of what you want to do, ask youself: "What does my opponent NOT want me to do?" It's pretty obvious what John Fox would not want.

I can only imagine that Fox didn't want the Chiefs to score a TD. Seems like his strategy trumped Reid's strategy of going for 2.

Molitoth 09-20-2014 11:45 AM

What a sack of shit.
This makes the midfield punt even worse.

beach tribe 09-20-2014 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 10930556)
He wasn't going for 2. Fat Andy is one of the most terrified coaches I've ever seen. He kicked FG on 4th & goal at the 1 in both Denver and Indy last year. It's laughable he'd pull this act when we all know it's totally false

I have to say that similar circumstances in the past would indicate that he probably would have kicked it, but maybe he learned something from those failures.
Maybe not.

milkman 09-20-2014 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 10930651)
I have to say that similar circumstances in the past would indicate that he probably would have kicked it, but maybe he learned something from those failures.
Maybe not.

I don't believe that useless SOB is capable of learning.

beach tribe 09-20-2014 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 10930586)
Terrible idea. Manning only needing a Field goal to win with a minute left. Better shot in OT because you at least get the ball.

Manning STILL would have gotten the ball with a minute left.....:spock:

beach tribe 09-20-2014 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 10930667)
I don't believe that useless SOB is capable of learning.

He hasn't seemed to learn from many of his failures. Like moving away from running the ball when it's working.
It repeatedly bites him in the ass, and yet......

notorious 09-20-2014 11:57 AM

Bull Shit.

SAUTO 09-20-2014 11:59 AM

I think he probably is telling the truth.


He onside kicked it on the opening ko against us once, then iirc in another game tried it again after the half...
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jd1020 09-20-2014 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mennonite (Post 10930760)
I assumed that the point of the timeout was to set up a second play if they got the TD. No other (good) reason to call one in that situation.

Why would they not use the TO to set that play up AFTER they scored a TD? What purpose would it make to call a TO to design the next next play?

Mennonite 09-20-2014 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 10930770)
Why would they not use the TO to set that play up AFTER they scored a TD? What purpose would it make to call a TO to design the next next play?


Because...I said something stupid and I got busted before I could delete it.

Iconic 09-20-2014 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 10930609)
but you want to trust that offense to score quick in overtime?


you want to trust our shitty defense to not give up a big play?

Neither option is ideal, I'm simply picking the one that maximizes our odds of winning. You can either pick option A in which you run one play and have virtually no margin of error, or option B where there is a greater margin of error and nothing is finite.

Considering our offense, B makes more sense.

highBOLTage 09-20-2014 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 10930677)
Manning STILL would have gotten the ball with a minute left.....:spock:

The sense of urgency is less obviously since if they are trailing they have to go all out, go on 4th down etc. which makes a FG more likely. If it is around 30 seconds, it makes more sense to go for 2. With Fox as opposing HC and a tie game, he probably runs out a tester play or two and if it fails he probably plays for OT.

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-20-2014 12:29 PM

Dick from stick = does not know, nor can see.

scho63 09-20-2014 12:32 PM

HE PUNTED ON 4TH AND 1 FOOT IN GOOD FIELD POSITION AND GAVE THE BALL BACK TO PEYTON AND HE SCORED!

HE WASN'T GOING FOR TWO-HE IS FULL OF SHIT!!!

TimBone 09-20-2014 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lonewolf Ed (Post 10930599)
No flipping way would he have gone for two when he didn't go for it on 4th and a foot from near midfield when the offense was moving the ball. No way.

Yep. This is exactly what I thought when I read the OP.

MTG#10 09-20-2014 12:52 PM

Vermeil would have went for two.

Discuss Thrower 09-20-2014 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTG#10 (Post 10930951)
Vermeil would have went for two.

Only if the chart says to.

Marcellus 09-20-2014 01:23 PM

With the way the OT scoring rules work now, I don't think going for 2 would have been the best bet.

That puts it all on 1 play where as in OT you have a 50% chance of getting the ball first or have to hold Denver to a FG or less to get the ball back with a chance to score.

That's 1 play make or break it vs 3 other favorable possibilities.

007 09-20-2014 01:35 PM

There is no way Andy was going to go for 2. Not a chance.

Fat Elvis 09-20-2014 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lonewolf Ed (Post 10930599)
No flipping way would he have gone for two when he didn't go for it on 4th and a foot from near midfield when the offense was moving the ball. No way.

You read my mind.

Mennonite 09-20-2014 02:19 PM

Are we sure he wasn't responding to a question about that new "Horse Collar" kielbasa that they are selling at Lambeau Field?

Mr. Laz 09-20-2014 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 10930770)
Why would they not use the TO to set that play up AFTER they scored a TD? What purpose would it make to call a TO to design the next next play?

because you don't want to give the defense time to get ready for a 2-pt conversion.

you score and immediately run the 2 point play

Mr. Laz 09-20-2014 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iconic (Post 10930816)
Neither option is ideal, I'm simply picking the one that maximizes our odds of winning. You can either pick option A in which you run one play and have virtually no margin of error, or option B where there is a greater margin of error and nothing is finite.

Considering our offense, B makes more sense.

but going for 2 means our team only has to win on a single play for 2 yards

OT means our offense has to win for a scoring drive and our defense has to win to stop a scoring drive .... on the road.

One penalty on offense in OT and we are ****ed.

One big passing play against our defense and we are ****ed.

When your team isn't as good, and on the road, you go for the quick,shock win and then run for the bus.


Whether or not Reid has the ballz to do it is another matter.

Reerun_KC 09-20-2014 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 10930556)
He wasn't going for 2. Fat Andy is one of the most terrified coaches I've ever seen. He kicked FG on 4th & goal at the 1 in both Denver and Indy last year. It's laughable he'd pull this act when we all know it's totally false

This. Candy Reid is a coward.

mdchiefsfan 09-20-2014 03:47 PM

Probably had no trust in Santos to make the extra point.

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-20-2014 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 10931575)
This. Candy Reid is a coward.

:hmmm: LMAO

Prison Bitch 09-20-2014 05:52 PM

He wouldn't go for 1 yard last year in Denver from the one, and didn't go for it this year in Denver near midfield. But he's going to try from the 3???? Fat Andy is a coward yes, but I didn't know he's also a liar

Hammock Parties 09-20-2014 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 10931575)
Candy Reid

http://i.imgur.com/xEqrQiw.jpg

Prison Bitch 09-20-2014 06:02 PM

That m&m should be yellow

Chiefshrink 09-20-2014 06:23 PM

I get everyone's criticism about Reid's past history. I think it's a big tell about how he views this team, this season, and the Broncos in their own house. Nothing to lose because he knows it's going to be a looooooong season and if he gets lucky on the 2ptr what better way to enjoy a loooooong season. And he doesn't want to go into overtime against Manning in his house playing and hanging on literal threads at that point. If the 2ptr fails the criticism will be light due to so many injuries.

No way Reid attempts this IF he has healthy team is all I'm saying.;)

listopencil 09-20-2014 06:42 PM

I'm sure it probably has happened other times, but right off the top of my head I only remember Shanny pulling shit like this against San Diego. I'm thinking it was when Cutler fumbled the ball and Ed Hochulli called it an incomplete pass. We ended up getting a TD on that drive at the end of the game. I was sweating it because it looked like we were barely going to tie it up and then see what we could do. Then they go out there and go for two points. I was yelling and bitching in full force and it went something like, 'What the **** are you doing you senile old piece of shit mother****er we just had the game practically handed to us on a blown call and you stupid ****ing cock gobbler you're going to piss it away with a ****ing...oh...shit...they ****ing made it. Holy shit, he's brilliant."

The Bad Guy 09-20-2014 06:54 PM

He punts from the 50 yard line with a yard to gain.

He wasn't going for 2.

Marcellus 09-20-2014 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 10932175)
I'm sure it probably has happened other times, but right off the top of my head I only remember Shanny pulling shit like this against San Diego. I'm thinking it was when Cutler fumbled the ball and Ed Hochulli called it an incomplete pass. We ended up getting a TD on that drive at the end of the game. I was sweating it because it looked like we were barely going to tie it up and then see what we could do. Then they go out there and go for two points. I was yelling and bitching in full force and it went something like, 'What the **** are you doing you senile old piece of shit mother****er we just had the game practically handed to us on a blown call and you stupid ****ing cock gobbler you're going to piss it away with a ****ing...oh...shit...they ****ing made it. Holy shit, he's brilliant."

We did it against the Raiders years ago with Vermiel I think it was as coach.

It was a lost season by then anyway but we went for 2 and won the game on the last play.

LJ up the gut I think it was.

Hammock Parties 09-20-2014 07:20 PM

No, that was just a TD dive with :02 on the clock or something instead of a FG.

Same difference though. Go for the win instead of the tie.

mlyonsd 09-20-2014 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 10932191)
He punts from the 50 yard line with a yard to gain.

He wasn't going for 2.

Exactly.

Why Not? 09-20-2014 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 10932202)
We did it against the Raiders years ago with Vermiel I think it was as coach.

It was a lost season by then anyway but we went for 2 and won the game on the last play.

LJ up the gut I think it was.

I feel like it was not going for two but rather, going for it with only enough time left to run one more play. A fg would have tied it. I also don't recall it being a list season at that point but you may be right. Since I was at that game, you would think I would remember better but I don't.

Why Not? 09-20-2014 09:29 PM

Lost season. **** phone posting

cosmo20002 09-20-2014 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 10930586)
Terrible idea. Manning only needing a Field goal to win with a minute left. Better shot in OT because you at least get the ball.

Um...if they just settled for tying it up, wouldn't Manning still just need a field goal to win?

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-20-2014 09:34 PM

It was not a lost season. It was the 2005 year, which was better than any Chiefs team we've had since.

LJ caught a screen pass and broke a long gainer, getting tackled right near the goal. We had the ball at the 1 with two seconds left down three. Vermeil went for the win and LJ dove in over the left side of the line.

That was the best Chiefs game I ever went to.

Why Not? 09-20-2014 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10932449)
It was not a lost season. It was the 2005 year, which was better than any Chiefs team we've had since.

LJ caught a screen pass and broke a long gainer, getting tackled right near the goal. We had the ball at the 1 with two seconds left down three. Vermeil went for the win and LJ dove in over the left side of the line.

That was the best Chiefs game I ever went to.

This. Except the best I went to was the 56-7 falcon curb stomp

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-20-2014 09:38 PM

That Falcon game happened after Game 1 of the 2004 WS. I went to a baseball field Sunday morning with a friend and probably threw about 100 pitches, almost all breaking stuff. I think I seriously ****ed up my elbow, because to this day, any time I throw a baseball I get a zinging feeling of numbness shooting down my ring and pinkie finger.

Reerun_KC 09-20-2014 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Count Zarth (Post 10932115)

Well done sir

notorious 09-20-2014 10:52 PM

Wait a second, maybe Reid would have went for 2.



By 2 he meant "Seconds".

Reerun_KC 09-20-2014 10:55 PM

Or two cheeseburgers?

notorious 09-20-2014 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 10932589)
Or two cheeseburgers?

Appetizers?

Reerun_KC 09-20-2014 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 10932593)
Appetizers?

2 of them?

notorious 09-20-2014 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 10932596)
2 of them?

http://www.cinemablend.com/images/ne...1400101578.jpg

Hydrae 09-21-2014 12:09 AM

I would not have gone for two because this team hasn't shown it can score in the red zone as it is. No faith that they could convert a 2-point conversion.

Ragged Robin 09-21-2014 12:18 AM

he wouldn't even go for it on 4th and inches at the 50 yard line at the end of the 2nd half ROFL

bevischief 09-21-2014 12:42 AM

Touchdowns not deserts. Tell then go....

bevischief 09-21-2014 12:45 AM

No cheese cake for Andy till a Chiefs win.

Prison Bitch 09-21-2014 01:01 AM

The underdog esp on the road should always go for two

But fat Andy is gutless so he'd never do it

J Diddy 09-21-2014 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hydrae (Post 10932650)
I would not have gone for two because this team hasn't shown it can score in the red zone as it is. No faith that they could convert a 2-point conversion.

and as bad as that is, it still would have a better probability of success than Santos attempting an extra point

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-21-2014 08:07 AM

Just think; today you'll have further opportunities to discuss matters just like this one!

J Diddy 09-21-2014 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 505 Chief (Post 10932859)
Just think; today you'll have further opportunities to discuss matters just like this one!

Ah yes. The beautifulness that is football season.

I jones 7 months to endure 5 months of pain and misery.

The Chiefs Kingdom=The Ultimate Masochist.


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