Top DC Candidate
As I mentioned on this site days before any media last week, the top DC candidate for the Chiefs is going to be Monte Kiffin. He would also bring Rod Marinelli as his line coach.
I've been told it's his job to turn down and they think he wants it. I think Kiffin has evolved some and doesn't run a straight Tampa 2 anymore, but and the personnel is an interesting fit. Dorsey would be in huge consideration to be re-signed. Hali, Dorsey, Poe, ? Houston, ?, DJ - I think DJ would slide into the Derrick Brooks role. I hated the hire at first, but I'm not completely against it now. I hate the Tampa 2 defense, but I think Kiffin recognizes he can't run that solely with the offenses of today. Will be interesting. Just thought I'd share. |
that's......terrible
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There's talent here to make it work. Eric Berry has said that at Tennessee, Kiffin didn't run a straight Tampa 2. |
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Offer Capers the sun and moon to move...
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Capers is a better choice
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we haven't been able (or willing) to identify good young coordinators ever, so i shouldn't be surprised... |
Watching every USC game the past year... Kiffin did not impress with superior talent.
USC pushed him out the door.... |
Instead of starting another thread, Peter King mentioned today in MMQB that he thinks Reid will bring Todd Pedersen with him (QB coach) and promote him to OC.
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Capers wouldn't make a lateral move.
Not a fan of Kiffin at all. Would love to have seen Greene/Moss. |
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Thanks for sharing, but damn. That's depressing. Not a fan of the Tampa 2.
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Maybe we'll get lucky and Kiffin will croak sometime in the next week. Dude is ancient.
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Well on the bright side the scheme will bring out Berry's talents to the max
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One positive about Kiffin...I think he'd instantly make Eric Berry a player worthy of his Pro Bowl selection by returning him to the role he played at Tennessee.
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If that's the case, and Reid doesn't like any of the QBs at #1.....then I could see them taking someone like Moore out of Texas A&M to play DE.
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He may not be the best choice, but he is a defensive innovator and he did create one of the greatest defensive schemes in the NFL for the time. I would like to see that mentality on defense again. Attacking from the DL.
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Luved me sum Tampa 2
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Wow, thats ****ed... color me very disappointed.
I hope there is a conference soon so Reid can tell us why this is the move he wants to make, whats the big advantage? i'm dying to know. |
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We all saw Eric Berry in college. If we could get THAT on the field in KC, Kiffin is worth it. As long as we don't try to move BOTH Hali and Houston to DE, I'll keep an open mind. I just don't want to see teams pounding us with the run every week. After listening to folks over the weekend and looking at a lot of the chatter about front office and coaching staff candidates, I get the feeling they're going to try and build a defense the way Seattle has done it. That wouldn't be the end of the world. |
I get that Kiffin wouldn't be operating the Tampa 2 that much, but that's not what concerns me. I REALLY didn't want to switch back to the 4-3, and now that looks like it will be almost necessary.
This bums me out. Happy Monday :( |
Thanks for sharing, but I hope your source is WRONG. **** I don't want Kiffin at all.
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Fighting against a change to the 4-3 seems like a lost cause at this point. They're going to do it. |
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Where does that leave Houston? I know he played DE at Georgia. SO MANY QUESTIONS! |
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Damit Clark! You want to be like Pittsburgh then set the tone. Build a badass attacking D and never let the well run dry on talent. Keep it stocked. Also acquire a franchise QB. It's going to be hard to do if everytime we hire a new HC we change the damn defensive scheme. |
Interesting.
As I said in the other thread, I am all for Reid's decisions until he ****s them up and right now he is batting 0 for 0. Crazy that they wasted Dorsey's whole first contract trying to fit a square peg in a round hole, now after it is over, the round hole would be there. TJ is finally starting to play like a draftable talent, albeit not 3rd overall. He would not fit in the 4-3, correct? |
He would fit, but they aren't paying him that bonus or the base salary next year.
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I guess we'll see. |
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USC defensive players drafted by year: 2009 - 8 2010 - 3 2011 - 3 2012 - 1 |
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Gawd I hate teh lawyers... |
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I initially hated the idea of kiffin but it's growing on me.
Didn't realize he runs the under. It's not Tampa 2. It's a very aggressive defense. It's what Seattle runs. Best news is it would be an easy transition. It's basically a 4-3 that uses 3-4 personnel. Now.. This isn't his baby. Kiffin adapted to this defense and struggled with it at USC. But I love the scheme for kc. |
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Powe/Poe and Dorsey (if resigned) could handle DT in a rotation. I don't like Hali as a 4-3 OLB and he's not strong enough to play the end... |
Any DC that can work with our talent and exploit what we have....that's what I'm for. Schemes generally don't excite me. Having said that, I'd prefer a coach that can employ a 34-43 hybrid that's super-aggressive.
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Told you guys this was coming. All signs were pointing to the 4-3 under which the likes of Kiffin, Jauron and Seattle runs.
It is actually a defense that s similar to the 3-4. |
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Jauron ran a under at times while at Cleveland but yes he is more of your standard 4-3 guy.
Kiffin is the one that runs the under more so than his old Tampa 2. Remember before he developed the Tampa 2, Kiffin was the master of the 4-3 under while at Nebraska and Arkansas. Pete Carroll learned the 4-3 under from Kiffin at Arkansas. |
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We better get pretty damn bad ass on the Dline fast then.
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By the way, if we go with the under defense, either Hali or Houston will be playing DE but not both.
As others have stated, it uses 30 front personnel. Chris Clemons is only about 260 but the guy opposite him runs like 320. |
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n. I love Seattle defense and Cleveland defense was good considering the lack of talent. |
well, that sounds better than father time trying to run the tampa 2...
i'm still jumpy from PPSD....post-pioli stress syndrome |
I think we have the DT's for it to work well. Poe as a 1-Tech and Dorsey (if we re-sign him) as the 3-Tech. This would be the best fit for Dorsey IMO... Remember Warren Sapp was tremendous under Kiffin as a 3-Tech. Rod Marinelli would be great for our DL!
Hali would likely play WDE and Houston would play the SLB spot that resembles as 3-4 SOLB. |
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Is the Denver set up considered a 4-3 under?
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Also, I'm just fine with having Liza Manelli coaching our defensive line.
It's about time we brought in a defensive line coach with a ****. |
So then he'd roll with a d-line like this?
Poe - Dorsey - Hali? |
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As it stands TODAY (and remember, both Dorsey and Jackson have contract situations), it would be: Jackson - Poe - Dorsey - Hali |
I always felt like we wasted Jackson and Dorsey in the first place playing a 3-4. We never found a good NT, although maybe Poe would get there. I think I have zero problem going back to the 4-3. We won't need to waste time finding a unicorn at NT and can just go after pass rushers.
Kiffin's old but at least he doesn't need help running the D. That's the concern with Reid. I'm not against hiring an inexperienced guy but if he's in over his head we're screwed. They need to hire someone Reid can just leave alone with the defense. Posted via Mobile Device |
Bad news is, as somebody already pointed out:
It's possible this coaching staff will deem drafting Demontre Moore more important than taking the top QB :grr: |
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I'm obviously not familiar with the defense. |
DL would go big SDE (could Jackson play this?), 1-Tech in Poe, 3-Tech in Dorsey and then WDE in Hali. Houston would be the SLB and line up right beside the SDE similar to a 3-4 look. DJ would likely be the WLB if I were to guess and we would bring in a MLB (draft Arthur Brown? or a FA pick-up?).
Another article talking 4-3 under scheme. http://www.battleredblog.com/2009/7/...uction-the-4-3 Basically this defense still asks a lot from Hali (WDE) and Houston (SLB)! |
Kiffin is a defensive genius. If he can adapt, I'm all about it. Andy needs someone desperately who can field a defense for him. We have plenty of toys for Monte to play with. Get another DE, and we're good.
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We've got to cut Tyson Jackson. He's a 3-4 end due $17 million. And it took him too ****ing long to start showing anything in the damn 3-4. He's got to go.
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I don't see why Justin Houston couldn't thrive in a Von Miller type role :shrug: he ran a 4.62 which is plenty fast
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Remember the Seahawks SDE is Red Bryant... Monster DE. Jackson has the size but is he good enough?
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The Seahawks defensive line.
Red Bryant (6'4" 323) - Alan Branch (6'6" 325) - Brandon Mebane (6'1" 311) - Chris Clemons (6'3" 254) |
Glad we are going back to the 4-3.
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You cannot have 0 pass rush coming from a DE spot in the 4-3. Nor can you have a guy 270 lbs in coverage like Houston. Houston has to play DE in the 4-3. Period. |
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I see no place for him here in a 4-3. In a 3-4 he could be a backup, but too expensive for that. Bye. |
Feel free to destroy it....but what about a defensive line like this?
Poe - Powe - Dorsey - Hali |
Might well be able to renegotiate that contract with Jackson and keep him.
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