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chiefzilla1501 07-07-2016 06:51 PM

MLB on pace to hit 2nd most HRs in history
 
This has always been one of my favorite baseball debates so I'm curious what people think about this trend.

Hitters are on pace to hit the second most HRs in history. This is assuming PED testing has improved. That we are past the steroid era. Despite there not being any new expansion team.

So why is this happening? I've always been of the opinion that the impact of steroids has been overblown - an important factor, but not nearly as important as people make it to be. Is it possible that baseball has introduced a juiced ball to jump the ratings? And could that have played a big part in the massive #'s we saw in the steroid era?

jd1020 07-07-2016 06:52 PM

Global warming. Ball travels farther in warmer weather.

Easy.

lewdog 07-07-2016 06:53 PM

Mostly inflated to God awful pitching from Royals starting pitching.

C3HIEF3S 07-07-2016 06:55 PM

I believe that there is some external force being driven back into the game that maybe the testing isn't catching. There have already been more players suspended for PED's this season than all of last season:
http://www.baseball-almanac.com/lege...baseball.shtml

Could be coincidence, but I find it hard to believe that this jump in HR numbers just happens.

'Hamas' Jenkins 07-07-2016 06:55 PM

Batting average is at near historic lows.

I would say there are a couple of possible reasons:

1) Hitters have forsaken average for power and are swinging for the fences more, accepting weak contact and strikeouts for homers

2) PEDs are back in force, but defensive shifts have made it much more difficult to hit singles than in the past.

However, it will be difficult to draw a definitive conclusion, because we don't have exit velocity data for the PED era, nor the years that preceded and succeeded it.

I would say that a change in hitter approach combined with increased velocity is the most likely culprit.

RealSNR 07-07-2016 06:57 PM

Chris Young

tk13 07-07-2016 07:15 PM

Hamas hit on one big thing... the strikeout just doesn't matter anymore. Teams aren't afraid to do it. That's the one thing that set the Royals apart offensively, most everyone else hacks away. Very little concern over a "two strike" approach.

Another facet is that so many pitchers throw hard. So many teams can run reliever after reliever throwing 90+ heat out there. That has helped keeping hitting numbers down, but when you make contact it can go a long way.

You can't make sweeping generalizations off one season though. The last couple years, hitting 30 HR was a real accomplishment, and nobody was talking then. It's not like everyone started taking steroids at the same time. It's like 1987... the balls were flying out, HR totals were up and people wondered if the ball was juiced. Every year is it's own beast.

TomBarndtsTwin 07-07-2016 07:32 PM

The Kansas City Royals starting pitchers???

Bowser 07-07-2016 07:34 PM

And we still won't have a Royal break through the almighty 36HR in a season lead ceiling this year.

tk13 07-07-2016 07:43 PM

Look at some of the 98 rosters compared to today. That was when McGwire and Sosa broke the record. The Cubs made the playoffs, and having Kerry Wood come up as a rookie was huge, but their top three starters in IP were Steve Trachsel, Mark Clark and Kevin Tapani. Not sure any of those guys could be a #2 on a playoff team today.

chiefzilla1501 07-07-2016 07:46 PM

I also wonder how much has to do with injuries. I remember last year Giancarlo Stanton was on pace to hit about 800 HRs before he got injured. Seems like most of the sluggers are still pretty healthy.

Most explanations here sound good. At the same time, I think it's more than a little interesting that the MLB goes into a major HR slump the year after steroids and then once everyone stops caring about the steroid problem and there's offseason debate about not scoring enough runs, the #'s jump up again. Enough to make you at least wonder.

DaneMcCloud 07-07-2016 07:50 PM

HGH

chiefzilla1501 07-07-2016 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 12305098)
Look at some of the 98 rosters compared to today. That was when McGwire and Sosa broke the record. The Cubs made the playoffs, and having Kerry Wood come up as a rookie was huge, but their top three starters in IP were Steve Trachsel, Mark Clark and Kevin Tapani. Not sure any of those guys could be a #2 on a playoff team today.

That is a very popular explanation for the steroid era home run boost. After the expansion era, pitching staffs got spread thin and pitching staffs were pretty terrible. The steroid era also occurred as lots of hitter friendly parks got built and I think I remember there being some rules that made fields friendlier to hitters.

Wonder if the MLB also quietly snuck in a strike zone change this year. There was tons of speculation they would.

Lots of small little details go into home run eras.

BWillie 07-07-2016 09:02 PM

It's pretty clear they juiced the ball. MLB probably had the ball wound tighter or used slightly different material for the interior. That is only thing I can come up with because they were rather down last year and years prior.

Garcia Bronco 07-07-2016 09:05 PM

Baseball is dying. Slumping ratings and its youth appeal is disappearing.

Garcia Bronco 07-07-2016 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 12305017)
This has always been one of my favorite baseball debates so I'm curious what people think about this trend.

Hitters are on pace to hit the second most HRs in history. This is assuming PED testing has improved. That we are past the steroid era. Despite there not being any new expansion team.

So why is this happening? I've always been of the opinion that the impact of steroids has been overblown - an important factor, but not nearly as important as people make it to be. Is it possible that baseball has introduced a juiced ball to jump the ratings? And could that have played a big part in the massive #'s we saw in the steroid era?

Steroids do not increase strength...they do not increase hand to eye coordination. They dont help you hit a baseball. You still gotta lift the weights.

Bowser 07-07-2016 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco (Post 12305304)
Baseball is dying. Slumping ratings and its youth appeal is disappearing.

Maybe for the Rockies, but it's alive and well in KC.

Tribal Warfare 07-07-2016 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco (Post 12305304)
Baseball is dying. Slumping ratings and its youth appeal is disappearing.

With the fear of football's lingering and debilitating injuries I disagree adamantly.
Baseball will be America's past time again in the near future

BWillie 07-08-2016 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 12305340)
With the fear of football's lingering and debilitating injuries I disagree adamantly.
Baseball will be America's past time again in the near future

TheNBA already has that lockeddown when the NFL begins to falter, which it already is starting

Pasta Little Brioni 07-08-2016 08:17 AM

HGH with a juiced ball

BlackHelicopters 07-08-2016 08:19 AM

No doubt some yet undetectable substance.

chiefzilla1501 07-08-2016 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco (Post 12305311)
Steroids do not increase strength...they do not increase hand to eye coordination. They dont help you hit a baseball. You still gotta lift the weights.

But they do give an advantage vs a person who does the same amount of conditioning. So it is cheating.

But at the same time, most of bat speed is built through the hips and legs which don't benefit as much from PEDs. Steroids will make your swing a tiny bit faster, which in the mlb a few split seconds is a big deal. But I still believe a lot of the steroid Era can be attributed to terrible pitching, hitters friendly strike zones, and hitters ball parks.

Pasta Little Brioni 07-08-2016 09:21 AM

Lulz the guys were real life incredible hulks. It definitely was a huge factor.

Tribal Warfare 07-08-2016 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 12305993)
TheNBA already has that lockeddown when the NFL begins to falter, which it already is starting

All the athletes who would play football will be playing baseball. Hence the statement

Indian Chief 07-08-2016 02:24 PM

A lot of GMs are in love with the home run. Gives shitty guys like Mark Reynolds a chance to hang around because they might hit 30+ home runs, even with 200 strike outs and a .225 batting average.

tk13 07-08-2016 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 12305993)
TheNBA already has that lockeddown when the NFL begins to falter, which it already is starting

I don't know where you get that from. I'm not totally sure how you measure it accurately, but most polls show that baseball is still America's 2nd favorite sport by a fair margin. The NFL clearly blows them all away though.

Rain Man 07-08-2016 03:41 PM

More home runs could be a sign that Earth's gravitational field is dying, and that at some point soon we'll all be cast off into space.

vailpass 07-08-2016 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 12305993)
TheNBA already has that lockeddown when the NFL begins to falter, which it already is starting

Uh, no. NBA does not appeal to a large segment of American student athletes.

mdchiefsfan 07-08-2016 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12305113)
HGH

Deer antlers!

SAUTO 07-08-2016 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 12305993)
TheNBA already has that lockeddown when the NFL begins to falter, which it already is starting

You are wrong.

The numbers aren't there, spots wise.

BWillie 07-08-2016 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 12307231)
You are wrong.

The numbers aren't there, spots wise.

Compare postseason baseball ratings to NBA. Compare by social media hits. International exposure. Not really close.

SAUTO 07-08-2016 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 12307429)
Compare postseason baseball ratings to NBA. Compare by social media hits. International exposure. Not really close.

You don't get what I'm saying.

Spots on the team, d league vs mlb and minors.

The chance to get paid.

That's gonna steer kids to baseball.

BWillie 07-08-2016 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 12307483)
You don't get what I'm saying.

Spots on the team, d league vs mlb and minors.

The chance to get paid.

That's gonna steer kids to baseball.

Maybe. I dont think kids just starting to play a game will think about that. Out of all the games I played growing up (bball, football, golf, tennis, baseball) I liked baseball the least. Maybe that was because I found it impossible to discern a ball from a strike but I still wasnt bad. Was just not a fun sport to play most of the time. My parents made me play way too long.

alpha_omega 07-08-2016 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 12305087)
And we still won't have a Royal break through the almighty 36HR in a season lead ceiling this year.

That was my first thought as well.

Hoopsdoc 07-09-2016 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 12307068)
More home runs could be a sign that Earth's gravitational field is dying, and that at some point soon we'll all be cast off into space.

Got a chuckle out of this.

Quick, everyone tether themselves to Rosie O'Donnell's ass.


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