Mizzou Basketball 2012
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Senior: Dixon, Bell, Bowers, and Oriakhi
Junior: Pressey, Ross, and Criswell Sophomore: Brown Freshman: Bull, Webster-Chan, Rosburg, and Jankovic |
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That's Bowers, some broad, Oriakhi (with UCONN's NC shirt), and Phil Pressey. Look at the size of Bowers's shoulders and chest. Dude's been hitting the weights. |
The new basketball unis looks pretty sweet.
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Good old JT. Miss that guy.
J. Tiller @YungTiller Alex Oriakhi comin to Mizzou from UConn?? Yea I like that move. Homie is a beast! |
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So who is the mizzou starting five?
Dixon, Pressey, Bowers, Oriakhi and |
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Keion Bell is first off the bench as the instant-offense super sub (can either slide Dixon to the point, or go small with Bell replacing Ross). Jabari Brown will be a sharpshooter/sniper off the bench and gives them additional depth on the wing. Tony Criswell is now just a bench big. Between he and Ryan Rosburg, they should be able to find 15-20 solid minutes a game behind Oriakhi and Bowers. Ross can also slide over to the 4 in a small look in some cases. Pollard, if added, would probably become the first person off the bench and back up Bowers and Ross |
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1. Pressey 2. Dixon 3. Pollard 4. Bowers 5. Oriakhi There is no way that Pollard wouldn't start. Hell, there no way he would even agree to come here unless he was going to start. Even without him, this may be the deepest Mizzou team I've ever seen. |
Is Dorial going to play?
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I don't think Haith will promise Pollard a starting spot just to land him. John Thompson won't at Georgetown, either. |
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Really interested to learn about these guys and see how it all comes together.
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Haith inherited a horribly-constructed roster and has done a brilliant job of evening out the classes with quality transfers. If he begins landing solid HS players, we should be in for a fun ride.
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A lot of folks think Jankovic was wildly underrated, same with Jorgenson and NWC. If that's the case, then he's proven to be just fine as a recruiter even if he isn't landing 4 and 5 star guys. I'm not inclined to believe that Haith has reinvented the wheel, however. I think he needs to step his game up a little on the HS recruiting trails. |
Haith really needs to lock down MU the way Pinkel has.
The state of Missouri is underrated in the bbal talent it produces. There have been top 5 classes fall into Andersons lap and he couldn't lock it up. |
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There has been a shit ton of top notch talent in MO.
Beal, Porter, McLemore is just scratching the surface. The all time leading scorer in the ACC was just a four hour drive from Columbia. |
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Wasn't there a kid from STL this year that went to ARK?
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Short of landing a coach that can recruit like Calipari I doubt you're ever going to see Mizzou truly locking down the local talent. The environment is just too competitive with all the elite programs recruiting nationally, Mizzou doesn't have a much of a name brand in basketball right now and you've got an elite program in your backyard. Those factors can change but I dunno about if they can change enough for you to ever really lock down the local talent.
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It's just tough when you have so many other schools so close to your recruiting beds.
Realistically, STL and KC are your hot spots. You have KSU and KU in the KC area and Illinois and others in STL. I think MU can absolutely get and should get 75 percent of the top guys. It gets tough when you have the UNC's, Duke's and Ku's coming after guys as well. Saul is right though, the MU brand is blowing up right now. |
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Likewise with Illinois. They haven't generally been a threat for premier Missouri talent. If Mizzou can lock down 1/2 of Missouri's top-shelf (i.e. 4 and 5 star) talents, they'll be in very good shape. That's 1 or 2 of those premium players every year; more than enough to build the foundation for a very strong program. Surround them with a plus transfer, a high-end out of state player or 2, (getting a Webster-Chan caliber player every season shouldn't be tough) and some good coaching finds (the Dixons/Denmons of the world) and Mizzou should be a threat for the Sweet 16 most seasons. Well, provided they can slip past Norfolk State, that is. (!@#$) |
I've never really trolled in MU threads.
But after this past year, and with Haith's 2nd year looming -- what are your guys expectations of MU and MU in the SEC? |
Yeah probably Illinois and Ksu were reaches, but I was just talkin.
Granted the State of Missouri doesn't turn out 4 and 5 stars yearly, it's pretty often. MU needs to lock down those guys for sure. I think they will, but it's still something that Haith hasn't had to do yet so you never know. He's off to a good start and I really expect MU to contend for the SEC next year. I think the year after and the year after that are the years you will really see what Haith can do in regards to recruiting. |
Also have to worry, for some reason, how Florida keeps grabbing these guys from STL.
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Am I the only one that would prefer Dixon come off the bench again next year instead of being a starter? I think he's much better as a high-energy, quick offense guy rather than a starting shooting guard.
He is our only other legit PG besides Flip so I don't like both of them playing at the same time except rarely to give a different look. I also think him and Flip are too small to play often at the same time. Give Dixon starter minutes just like this year but bring him off the bench. |
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He's been a model soldier and one of the hardest workers I've seen in a long time for Mizzou. As a senior, he deserves to get that first run at the starter gig. If he can't handle it or Mizzou is better with him coming off the bench, I'm confident that Haith will deal with that and Dixon will take the demotion like he's taken everything in his career. But ultimately he's absolutely earned the starting job going into the season. Besides, Dixon more of an undersized 2 than a true 1 anyway. And we don't really have anyone to replace Denmons volume as a scorer if Dixon stays on the bench. I don't think you can count on that from Ross or Bell. If one of them can just force Dixon to the bench, so be it. But it has to be Dixon's job to lose. He's earned that right. |
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I think Haith can stagger his substitutions so that we will almost always have one of them on the floor. |
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I expect Mizzou to finish in the top 3 in the SEC next year. Hell, I think we can win it if a few things break our way. In the long-term, I need to see how Haith recruits before I can set expectations. So far, I've got no reason to doubt that he is going to recruit well, but this is the Show Me State. |
You start Dixon. No question.
Like stated you need some scoring and you know he can bring that offense. I think again, like state, he's a natural two who can swing and play the point if needed. |
Gabe DeArmond was on 810 this morning talking about how the staff is preparing for Pressey to leave after next season. I can't imagine him being dumb enough to think he's going to get drafted high enough to warrant making the leap.
Dude's 5'9 with a shaky jumpshot. He's a brilliant facilitator, but I don't know who he could possibly guard in the NBA. |
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Dixon is a combo guard and not a pure PG, but he's the closest thing we have to a PG after Pressey. I wonder if it will be difficult for him to shift his mindset from scoring as a 2 guard to distributing as a 1 if Pressey gets in foul trouble. |
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How many sub 6'0" guys even play in the NBA, let alone leave early? Even guys that are considered short like Chris Paul and TJ Ford are at least 6 feet. |
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Donovan saw Bradley Beal play more high school games than Mike Anderson did, which is just unacceptable. Quin whiffed on David Lee because his parents were concerned about Snyder's character. |
As for Dixon...
You start him. He's going to play 30 MPG, anyway. He's going to be on the floor with Pressey for 25 MPG. Might as well give the senior a bone. Bell will be an excellent instant offense option and probably, honestly, works a little better with the second unit, which will need his scoring punch. He's used to being a one-man offense, and playing with the reserve group is more similar to that. I could see them start small, with Bell and Dixon both on the floor, but I have a hard time seeing someone other than Ross start at the 3. Haith loves athletic wings like him, and recruited them en masse at Miami. |
Re: Pressey to the NBA...
The staff is preparing as if Phil Pressey will leave, because there's a possibility he will. It's a CYA manuever to ensure they don't get caught with their asses out if he does jump. Considering the Pressey family's connections in the NBA, I can't see any way Phil makes the wrong decision. As far as his prospects... he is a freak athlete at that size. He has the speed/quickness/handles you usually see from tiny guards, but he also is freakishly strong and athletic at that size. He needs to improve as a shooter to succeed long-term in the NBA, but if he does that, Pressey can be every bit as successful in the NBA as guys like Nate Robinson, Earl Boykins, Mugsey Bogues, Avery Johnson, etc. |
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What I will say with 100 percent confidence is that if Phil goes early, he will get drafted. If he goes early, it will be because his father's extensive NBA connections - he's part of the establishment - indicate that he should. I'm not saying he will for sure. There's a chance. And if he takes that chance, it will be a well-informed choice. I'm going to guess his dad probably has a better idea than you or I do about how the NBA scouts view Phil Pressey. |
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If Phil is incredibly, incredibly lucky, he'll be Vaughn at the next level, a player who essentially sat the bench, yet made a lot of money and saw a lot of victories.
I don't think he has an NBA skill set. Not even close, IMO. |
Here's the rub, though...
The coaches likely have some reason to believe - beyond being cautious - there's a good chance Phil will go pro after this season. That's probably coming from Phil. And if Phil is thinking about it, it's a safe bet he has spoken to his dad about it. His dad is going to have a good handle on the idea. If he's got no chance to get drafted in the first round (and therefore should come back for one more year), they'd know. So there's got to be some chance that he'll go. I think discounting it out of hand is setting yourself up for disappointment. |
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Obviously kids don't pan out, especially high ranking recruits. That's just some times how it works. Again, not trolling -- curious. I enjoy a good basketball conversation. |
Color me unconcerned.
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Jabari Brown was the #19 player in the country 2 years ago, and Oriakhi was a McDonald's AA who had a monster tournament when UCONN won the NC. We also grabbed the leading scorer and rebounder from Auburn's team two years ago, Ross, who was a true Sophomore at the time. In that regard, he's passed with flying colors. He's added a couple of 3* Freshmen who look like solid role players at this point. On the surface, this appears to me the most talented Mizzou squad in a long time. |
Jabari Brown ... that name sounds familiar.
I remember watching Oriakhi play a lot -- as UConn typically played in the game that preceded KU on Big MONDAY. How does the following year look? Any orals, or commitments yet? |
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Is Brown a juco product then?
I was under the assumption he was transferring from another D1 school. |
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I don't think recruits really give two shits about Norfolk State. Teams lose early in the tourney every year and land top guys. Shit UCLA was terrible this year and landed a top class. I knew they are UCLA, but still.
I'm anxious to see if Haith gets into the same lull that he did at the U. I think most MU fans would agree that he inherited a pretty good situation. It will be 2 or 3 years before you really see what he can do with the program. |
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Not sure what the future with Haith will bring, but the signs are pointing up, and he has won some cred with me with the team's performance last year. |
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But the excitement level for next basketball season is high, as is football. That seems to be the perspective of most of my friends, too. No sense dwelling on it, not when there are other things to be excited for coming up (like football). One of the benefits of being competitive in both sports, I think... you never have TOO long to dwell on anything from the other sport. |
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He didn't have to build the Mizzou program from scratch, he just had to keep the ship going and not fuck up. He obviously did much better than that, and now he has tons of recruiting momentum and can sell a winning program, passionate fanbase, great facilities, new conference, etc. He never had much to sell at Miami. It sure seems like other fanbases are a lot more concerned about Haith going forward than Mizzou fans are. Personally, from the improvement I saw in our players, the intelligent set plays, the calculated substitutions and timeouts, and the recruiting momentum we have now, I have very little doubt about Haith's ability at this point. |
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PG - Pressey (25 mins) /Dixon (15 mins) SG - Bell (20 mins) /Brown (12 mins) / Dixon (8 mins) SF - Ross (25 mins) /Brown (10 mins) /Webster-Chan (5 mins) PF - Bowers (20 mins) /Criswell (14 mins) /Jankovic (6 mins) C - Oriakhi (28 mins) / Bowers (7 mins) / Criswell (5 mins) Bull/Rosberg Redshirted |
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One thing that I think was a limiting factor at Miami, too...the overall coaching budget. He's able to attract and retain MUCH better assistants at Missouri than in Miami. Look at a guy like Tim Fuller. He was the No. 2 assistant at Louisville, and Missouri was able to lure him away. Having an excellent staff is critical to success. |
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PG - Pressey (32 mins)/Dixon (8 mins) SG - Dixon (24 mins)/Bell (12 mins)/Brown (4 mins) SF - Ross (22 mins)/Brown (10 mins)/Bell (8 mins) PF - Bowers (26 mins)/Ross(6 mins)/Jankovic (8 mins) C - Oriakhi (30 mins)/Criswell (10 mins) Totals: Pressey - 32 (probably will be more, honestly) Dixon - 32 Ross -28 Bowers - 26 Oriakhi - 30 Bell - 20 Brown - 14 Jankovic - 8 Criswell - 10 Looking at that, it honestly wouldn't surprise me if we see more of the small lineup than in my projection. Would much rather get an extra 4 minutes or so a game for Bell and Brown than for Jankovic or Criswell. |
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Bruce Weber is working with Mizzou to have a non-conference game in Kansas City.
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