Fatlock: After Philly fiasco, why is Reid hot?
 

After Philly fiasco, why is Reid hot?

UPDATED JAN 4, 2013 1:51 AM ET

I come from a long line of stone-cold hustlers. My grandfather loan-sharked and ran numbers on the south side of Indianapolis for his entire adult life. My father’s barbershop doubled as a craps house after hours, and I learned to hustle “tip books” at his neighborhood bars. My uncle ran a pea-shake house out of a dry cleaners. My grandfather, father and uncle all held down full-time jobs at Chrysler while hustling to make ends meet.

I mention this to add weight to my assertion that Andy Reid is on the brink of pulling off the greatest hustle I’ve ever witnessed.

The stench of Reid’s last two years in Philly is still smothering football fans in the City of Brotherly Love, and meanwhile he’s the hottest coaching prospect in the NFL, on the verge of being the first coach awarded a seat during professional football’s annual game of musical chairs.

Apparently, the Kansas City Chiefs and owner Clark Hunt outraced Arizona and San Diego to Reid’s Philadelphia coaching carcass.

I can’t positively say I’m against this hiring. What I can say is that I’m absolutely amazed by its urgency and swiftness. The Chiefs, Chargers and Cardinals chased after Reid like he was one of the Kardashians with a clean bill of health from Planned Parenthood and a fresh tummy tuck from a Beverly Hills plastic surgeon.

Hey, I’ve lived in Los Angeles for more than two years. I’ve heard all the Kardashian stories. Yes, they can put that thang on ya. But the truth is, there are more fish in the sea.

Does Clark Hunt know this? There are fish with less miles on their odometer, fish without indisputable video evidence of their sideline freakiness and questionable decision-making.

Because we’re in the “information age,” few people in the national media are focusing on Reid’s bizarre and troubling final two years in Philadelphia. Everyone wants to be first to provide the information about where Reid is going and who he is bringing with him and who is leaving because of his arrival. You can’t get that information from Reid, his handlers and his associates if you are publicly reminding Clark Hunt and Chiefs fans just how awful Reid was in Philadelphia in 2011 and 2012.

Let me repeat: I’m not anti-Andy Reid or retread coaches. There was a time when I thought Reid was as good as any coach in football. I loved the way he handled Donovan McNabb. And Bill Belichick, Dick Vermeil, Mike Shanahan, Tony Dungy and a bunch of other retread coaches have been highly successful.

But Reid is a unique retread.

A high percentage of Eagles fans believe Reid hasn’t been right since his defensive coordinator Jim Johnson died of cancer in 2009. Reid hasn’t won a playoff game since Johnson passed.

My issue is the last two years. The Eagles were the “dream team” in 2011 and Super Bowl favorite. They went 8-8. They had to win their final four games to reach 8-8. To the utter shock and surprise of no one not named Andy Reid, the decision to promote longtime offensive-line coach Juan Castillo to DEFENSIVE coordinator blew up in Reid’s face. In their eight losses, the Eagles surrendered an average of 29.8 points.

The Eagles spent millions of dollars building a dream team, and Reid turned his defense over to an offensive-line coach on a whim. This is like getting a date with Beyonce and consulting with Ike Turner on how to romance her.

Reid allegedly had a nine-hour interview with Clark Hunt and his entourage on Wednesday. I hope someone asked Reid to write a short essay about Juan Castillo. Did anyone have the nerve to ask Reid about his son overdosing and dying at Philly’s training camp this summer? The kid had steroids on him, too.

There are so many questions you have to ask Andy Reid.

Tell us what role you played in giving Michael Vick a new lucrative contract and then overseeing an offensive strategy that repeatedly put your undersized quarterback in harm’s way because of your love of the pass and hatred of the run.

The Eagles went 4-12 this season. Reid fired Castillo early. The defense got significantly worse. The players quit. Vick complained his teammates weren’t committed. Reid left a mess in Philly.

If ever a coach needed a year off work to focus on his family, recharge and self-exam, it’s Andy Reid. Instead, he’s juggling coaching offers. Yep, maybe he’s John Fox and all he needs is a fresh start. Or maybe he’s been chasing his tail for too long and he’s gone crazy. Maybe the fact he could have his pick of jobs after being a disaster the last two years will stop him from doing the kind of self-inventory necessary to snap out of this tailspin.

Hunt reportedly is going to hand Reid all sorts of power. Reid will allegedly be allowed to pick his own front office. General manager Scott Pioli might be relieved of his duties, which would be a good thing. But I don’t see Reid as some sort of personnel guru. A lack of depth has hurt the Eagles the past few years.

This is simply a remarkable job of failing forward by Andy Reid. He found the perfect NFL owner and fan base desperate to get over the pain of a 2-14 season and an overmatched general manager. According to season-long gossip and reports, Hunt has sought the advice of Marty Schottenheimer, the former Chiefs coach.

Reid reminds me of Schottenheimer, only Reid loves to pass the ball and Marty loved to run it. Marty had a successful run in Cleveland and needed a fresh start in Kansas City. It worked out well. A few years ago, Scott Pioli reminded me of Carl Peterson, the general manager who hired Schottenheimer in KC and worked with Schottenheimer during the 1990s.

For a time, Marty and Carl balanced each other.

Who is going to balance Andy Reid? I realize no one wants to talk about it now, while we’re all pretending Reid is Don Shula coming off the '72 season, but there’s plenty of proof Reid went crazy in Philly.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/a...rk-hunt-010313

tl;dr

Hey, he has some good points.



On a side note, it is possible that Clark wanted Reid last year, and with Philly going 4-8 he expected him to be available.


Maybe that's why we got stuck with Crennel.

I stopped reading when Whitlock referred Andy Reid to the Kardashians.

He has a few good points.

I wonder if he would have bitched in the same thing happened to Lovie Smith.

The biggest take away.

Can you pass the BBQ sauce?

oh no it risky

Whitlock is the most polarizing writer I know of. When I agree with him, I love his work. When I disagree or he says things I don't want to hear, I wish he'd just piss off.

I love it when Whitlock pretends to be street.

^

we are?

I no curr, as long as we draft a QBotf with our top pick I am going to go full :homer:

Fair enough.

I'll give him credit for not mentioning Brian Kelly, who he's been pimping hard as the "best coach on the market." Although I haven't seen anywhere that he's "on the market."

True. I expected him to talk about Kelly at some point. As for his availability, if he's not off the market then he's on the market.

That just means he's good.

He does have some fair points, however, when you know you are coming to the end of your tenure in a city, you tend to make some moves that you may not normally make due to pressure. Starting over in KC, Reid will have plenty of time to just make the playoffs.

Interesting. I also said Andy is the next Marty. They both had successful yet traumatic experiences in their previous gig. If Andy can be as successful as Marty, it'd at least put us back to 1993.

For example: Bones, Thugs and Marty...

"Quick" is an operative word and seems logical when you apply it to some of life's situations and circumstances.

In my opinion, the Chiefs needed to act quick because Reid instantly qualified as a hot commodity in the coaching market. Had they been passive in this situation; he would've been snagged away from them either by Arizona or SD.

What's more surprising to me is how the Chiefs acted quick/aggressive rather than passive. That's just unusual because it uncharacteristic of who they are.

*This situation is kind of like that "hot chick" at the bar that other men want. If you don't act as quick as possible; chances are other men will act quicker and possibly steal her away from you.

Didn't read it, but was one of his arguments was that Reid is white?

Didn't read this post, but was one of your slights about race?

Kiss ur cat its a happy day!!

Jason did make some good points but he did act like taking a chance was to risky mentality.

Andy Reid to KC made sense on so many levels. We have to hope he is re-energized and change in scenery/staff is what he needed.

Quit it assface. There are two hours until lunch.

I really wanted to be able to bash Fatty after reading this but I can't. He made some valid points.

Anyway, I'm not cumming all over myself for the Reid hire. (I am cumming all over myself because Fat Scott is gone) But of all the retreads I think he's the best though.

It's going to suck if Chip Kelly is successful in the NFL though. He may not of come here, but it's who I wanted. We need innovators, which Reid was, 15 years ago. But I'm afraid we are in re-tread mode when the league is moving a different direction (zone read elements, running QBs, spreading it out some). Maybe the pendulum will swing back to traditional football, but damn. Another retread? :sulk:

All this is for not anyway. KC is a place where coaches go to die. There are certain franchises that simply have that stench about them them ala Detroit, Cleveland, Oakland, and of course, KC. With having to face Peyton Manning style and John Fox defensenses the next 3 years, Reid will be unceremoniously sh*tcanned in two seasons and cordinating offense at the Univeristy of Louisville. KC is a team stacked with defensive pro bowlers, and yet they hire a coach shown to be inept at defense? Once again, a franchise with a stench, simply can't get out of its own way.

He has some damn good points and yes there are question marks with Andy Reid however all coaches that are retreads are going to have some kind of flaw or they'd still be hired.

Jasons attachment to KC is now severed. He can move on to things like he did yesterday calling Thomas Sowell a house n.......


Go away jason.

Whitlock is right as usual, even if some don't want to admit it right now. Reid seems like a clear improvement on what they had and his presence meant the end of Pioli (the biggest benefit of his hiring), but the Eagles have been a complete underachieving shitshow for a few years now. There's a reason Philly badly wanted him out. He certainly wouldn't have been my #1 choice, but I'll accept it for now if it means real change.

The Chiefs weren't real great the last few years of Marty either.

Whitlock is dead on.
Reid is pass-happy, created a free agent roster disaster and is grossly overrated.

Pretty much. Remember when jwhit predicted the 16-0 season? Marty went on to resurrect the Chargers franchise despite having a terrible relationship with AJ Smith.

Some days I agree with Whitlock, sometimes I don't. Very strong in his opinions, misguided or not.

This. **** off and die, Shitlock. 4321

Having John Dorsey on board as GM will help with the personnel issues.

As far as pass happy... newsflash... that is how you win in today's NFL.

A whooooole family of HUSTLERS!

True. All I really know is that they better find themselves a good QB if the Reid brand of the Chiefs is going to be successful.

Flacco still your favorite QB in the NFL? :spock:

And still he's 1000x better than what we just had.

I have the very same reservations about Reid, but at this point, I am very happy about the addition by subtraction.

No more Patriot way, Scott Pioli or Matt Cassel. The latter went on 3 1/2 years longer than it should have. 3 1/2 years of my life I will never get back.

I have given all of the HC hires the benefit of doubt all the way back to Paul Wiggen until the show they can't do the job. Until Andy Reid proves he doesn't deserve my support, I am 100% behind him. Right now he is batting 0 for 0 as the KC Head Coach.

Reid is a good coach, but JW brings forward a point of concern when he says Reid's success was always coupled with DC Johnson's defense.

I welcome Reid's WCO offense -- it will fit the offensive personnel in place, mostly.

Nice start as a poster. ****wit

You are a dumbass.

???? this is a pass happy league now.

uh, maybe look at his joined date.

I could see how they've underachieved the last few years he was here.

Im wondering whether the Eagles underachievements are due to Reid just being burned out or simply because he was there too long and his presence just wore out over time?

It's hard to tell. I think 14 years of coaching can burn a person out. That's my biggest fear with this hire.

Well I'm not thrilled. I how we didn't hire Norv Turner II.

Why is he getting $7M per season? Can ANYBODY explain this explosion in salary? Isn't that a bit outrageous, we're giving a fired coach 3x more than any of our prior coaches ever earned? (I think Vermeil was in the 2-3M range and he was coming off a Super Bowl)

What, exactly is the downside? The Chiefs getting worse?

Why do you care?

Do you have an answer or is this your best effort?

It's the going rate for a HC. The market sets the price. It's Clark's money so, again, why do you care?

Only whitlock could put a downer on today.

With his logic-we should get Jeff George as QB

True-I think we already hit rock bottom

There is a downside.

It's a good signing, but only if they don't get stubborn about the QB position, if they get the DC pick right (critical), and if Clark has learned his lesson and not settle for years of mediocrity. The downside is if we repeat the mistakes of the past and give Reid too much power, settle for playoffs instead of super bowls, and let experienced coaches/front office guys pick their cronies instead of picking coaches/players based on their abilities.

But I'm going to give them that chance to prove otherwise. I'm just glad to bring a winning culture back.

and with that....
 

Whitlock is no longer loved and his cock gobbling can now end.

Prove that. I think you're lying. I bet the average is 2M.

ROFL Reid doesn't deserve more than Jeff Fisher? This team has some real dumbbell fans.

I'm not going to get too excited about the new season until I see the DC and what kind of scheme we run. If we blow up the 3-4 we aren't going to be very successful next year.

Update: Bill Belichick was the highest paid NFL coach at 7.5M/yr per Forbes. So Andy Reid just got fired, and is worth Belichick money? Hilariously stupid even for this franchise.

http://www.forbes.com/2011/01/04/pat...s_slide_2.html

Three years ago Pete Carroll signed with Seattle for $6.5 mil/yr.

Jim Harbaugh (no prior NFL HC experience) makes $5 mil/yr.

Sean Payton just re-upped with NO for $8 mil/yr.

Bill Belichick makes $7.5 mil/yr.

Jeff Fisher, last year, signed with St. Louis for $7 mil/yr.

Mike Shanahan makes $7 mil/yr.

That contract was signed in 2007 and is up in 2013 so he'll be commanding Sean Payton money soon, moron.

Your CP username is quite accurate.

Wasn't Whitlock saying Manning was all washed up around week 4 this year?

John Fox gets somewhere between 3 - 3.5 each year.

we upgraded.
Is there no end to the capital Fatlock continues to pull from his time in KC?

Right, and Crennel made what? 1M? How much do the guys in Jaxsonville or Carolina get? Was Shurmur making anything in Cleveland? The dude in Tennessee? Fisher makes 5.7M according to Forbes. Andy Reid = Bill Belichick money now. That's something you find acceptable, I find it laughably dumb.

The NFL average is higher than I expected, but in no state of the world should a fired coach who went 12-20 his last two years get the highest paycheck in the League. Hunt's money or not.

Denver is still paying massive $$ to both Shanahan & McDaniels.

You know what's ironic?

Jason predicted the Chiefs to go 16-0 in 1998.

You know what 1998 was?

The year Marty "created a free agent roster disaster".

Your 5.7M Fisher figure is from when he was in Tennessee. His contract in St. Louis is $7 mil/yr.

If you want to pay Romeo Crennell $$ then you're going to get Romeo Crennell value. JFC of all things to complain about you choose HC salary? :spock:


Also.. you can't compare Mike Mularkey, Pat Schurmur, Leslie Frazier, etc. Those guys are all 1st time HC's. KC hired a 14-yr HC who has gone to 5 conference championships and a Super Bowl FFS.

Precisely. ;)

True, but that isn't Fox's fault.

Wow, amazing that coaches who have built a resume in the league make a lot more money than those who are on their first job.

I was just thinking that Reid's tenure in Philly was somewhat similar to Marty in KC. Both started relatively strong and brought stability. The Eagles had more success, but both ended up a bit of mess trying for a quick fix with all sorts of free agents and ended in disappointment. Marty was able to go to other clubs and turn them around, hopefully at a minimum, Reid can steer KC back to playoff contention every year. Reid's choice of DC will be critical.

Isn't it?

EXACTLY.

Not the end-all, but Fox was also the last HC hired that year. No bargaining power when zero jobs are available and a DC position pays less $$.