Chiefs vs Patriots
 

:hmmm: I came here to talk football. But I was not expecting an air of surender that I have found here. :shake: Come on Guys! All is not lost! The Chiefs still have a great O. The D will come in time. Not so long ago the Patriots crawled around on the bottom of the NFL. Look at them now! Have some faith in you team. So what if its not as good as you had hoped for. Come on it is still football. And hey you could have been like the Fins or Browns make all kinds of changes and get worse. :banghead:

Put on something that is flame reerunent...

I wouldn't be shocked by a KC blowout over NE a week from tonight. This team is schizo. The O is certainly capable of hanging 40 on any D.

Can't we just discuss rat dogs instead?

FAX

Carl is gonna invite you down at halftime to do the interview on ABC. When Madden ask why the Chiefs are 3-6 this year you just stand there and grin and yell 'go Chiefs"!!!!!

KC will kick NE's ass. Our defense will leave a permanent impression on Brady's psyche.

We only beat teams that we have no business beating, after performances that makes us believe we will never win again. The Pats are screwed.

I would post here if this was an "Official" thread. but since its not I'll just say.......

This thread is worthless without pics.

It's a big game on national tv against a good team. The Chiefs will concentrate, and just might win...

The Chiefs' players lack focus when playing poor teams. It is an undisciplined team.

10-6, baby. 10-6. Once we're in the playoffs, we'll be a bull in a china shop in an elevator.

Does this mean the Chiefs have become the official playoff team spoiler for 2004?

I think this last loss has finally demoralized the team, especially the Offense. I don't think we'll see the players on either side give 100% for the rest of the year they know the season is over just as well as we do.

We'll probably get blown out at home on Monday Night.

It will be very interesting to see how these players respond on MNF, knowing their season is on the brink of being over.

If Priest can't go on Monday night then the Chiefs will lose handily.

If Priest plays, I expect KC will win.

Welcome to the Chiefs world Cannibal......if you have any idea what the Chiefs are about you know what is going to happen on Monday night..... they will be up and endup spanking the Pats. This is how the Chiefs work, then they will beat the Chargers, well. Then their heads will spin back around and lose to the freakin faiders and titans. Wake up, this is how this team works.

You might be correct.

But I have a feeling the Chiefs will give up after the last two losses in which they worked so hard and could have won, but ended up beating themselves.

We'll probably finish around 6-10 IMO.

I would expect Priest to play next Monday night. If he's out again, his injury is worse than we're hearing.

I hope our guys will treat this like the Superbowl, since it's the closest they are going to get this year. At least they are playing a team that will likely be there.

At this point I really think the Arrowhead crowd has been a HUGE factor in the chiefs wins this year. Just look at the two games the Chiefs pulled out at home. Those were big wins agains quality teams.

DT

Patriots fan here. I was recommended to this site by a chiefs fan who posts on Patriots.com MB. I expect to post sometime early this week, maybe even today. I just ask for intelligent, knowledgeable fans to discuss topics with.

:clap: Classic!!!! ROFL

How prophetic!! :)

That really is all you have to offer anyways.... :)

Quien sabe?
 

That is par for the course for Patriot games. Nearly EVERY opponent was within 7 points in the 4th quarter during the Patriots 21 game winning streak...

Sorry, none here. But here are a bunch of nearly naked hot chicks!!

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:):p

Santa,
I would like a red bicycle, a beebee gun and new football. Not the big lump of sh*t you keep leaving in my stocking. ROFL

Rich Scanlon will dominate this game on 2 sides of the ball.

Offense, defense, and special teams.

Sorry, Chiefs fans, it is apparently my fault...
 

We are way too soft on defense. Our safeties are playing like JV High Schoolers.

don't forget coaching... :deevee:

That's right, show them the promise land. I've been............it's beautiful! :)

Dillon should have a damn fine game.

I am not here to judge.......just to poke fun, laugh a little bit at other expense, and look at/post half naked wwomen in the girly thread.

I don't see why not, he is averaging almost 5 yards per carry already.

Forlorn hope, maybe, but hope nonetheless...
 

Now thats more like it! Chiefs do a heck of a job against teams that play high school D. Like the Colts. I loved watching Manning react to your scoring time after time. But you are playing against the real thing this week. Patriots are the #3 D in points aloud with a total of 152. Your Chiefs have given up 238 points You give up 26.4 points pergame.
The Pats are giving up only 16.9 points pergame. The Chiefs give up more Yards passing and rushing than the Patriots do. And the Chiefs give up more sacks. You have not faced a D anything close to as good as the Patriots. I hope the Chiefs do get up for the game. It will make it much more intresting. If they don't get up for it the game will be over before the first half is. With the Patriots blowing the Chiefs right out of Arrowhead. I do want to give you folks credit many of your replys in this thread had me LOL :thumb: A good sign that you really are inteligent fans :clap:

our defense is awesome, really....it is not the reason we suck.....really

Patriots dont have a great run defense...in fact, it's worse than KC's. That doesnt bode well to go against a team that relies on the run.

Top that off with the DB injuries that NE has and I say KC has a shot...especially at home.

Say What? Chiefs are giving up 116.9 yards rushing per game.
Patriots are giving up 111.3 rushing yards per game.
And you say The Chiefs Run D is better.
Patriots have faced RBs E.James, E.Smith, Travis Henry, W.McGahee, S. Alexander, C.Martin, D.Staley, J Bettis, and M. Faulk All 100 yard + rushers pergame this season. Only the Colts and Steelers got over 100 yards against the Patriots.
How bad do you think your Run D would have been had you faced that kind of talent week after week.

The Chiefs have been playing like down to their competition the last few games. Yeah, I know that sounds funny for a team that is 3-6. Frankly, most Chiefs fans had much higher expectations for this season. The offense can pretty much score on anybody. The Bucs have a pretty stellar D and the Chiefs put up 31 on them at their place. Hell, it should've been at least another TD and maybe even 2.

In the games where they haven't scored as much, the offense just shot themselves in the foot a few too many times - i.e. Saints, Jaguars.

They went into Baltimore and dominated a damn fine defense. So, don't tell me the Chiefs have not faced a good defense. I'm sorry but Belicek doesn't own the copyright on how to play good defense.

I hadnt bothered to look up the latest stats, but prior to this weekend, NE was worse. Fortunately for you, you faced Buffalo and lowered your average.

I throw out Smith, Henry, McGahee, and Faulk from your list...sorry, they're not what they were or even started yet.

KC did face James, he had 33 yards rushing.

There's a reason for this...because NE plays with a lead and teams that play with a lead dont have to defend the run too much.

The only game they've played with more than a 7 pt deficit was the Steelers game and the team folded it up. KC has a good a shot as any to put NE down a quick 14...assuming KC doesnt fumble the ball on the 5 or throw an pick resulting in a 102 yd int return for a TD on the 2nd possession of the game.

*edit* NE's schedule has been much like KC's schedule last year--cakewalk. I'd like to see NE face Jamal Lewis.

Right, so when we take the lead on Monday night we won't have to worry about you guys running either.

I wouldnt bet on that. KC's been in every game they've played and have yet to abandon the run.

ROFLROFL

errr....no.

Rushing Yards Allowed:

Pats: 4.1
Chiefs: 4.8

Average Rushing Yards Per Play of Opponents Faced:

Patriots:
Seattle: 4.9
St. Louis: 4.8
Jets: 4.6
Indy: 4.3
Pittsburgh: 4.1
Az: 3.8
Miami: 3.5
Buffalo: 3.5 (x2)

Chiefs:

Atl: 5.0
Indy: 4.6
Denver: 4.2
Jax: 4.1
Ravens: 4.0
NO: 4.0
Carolina: 3.8
TB: 3.7
Houston: 3.4

You might try reading the subsequent posts...

Another thing to add to my last post. Atlanta would be ranked 3rd in points allowed(which would be 2 spots better than the Pats as they are currently ranked 4th - http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NF...G/2004/regular ) if you take away the 56 that our offense hung over their top ranked D. Say what you will but our offense can score points

As for our defense, it hasn't been very good this year, no doubt. But the run defense has improved. For the record, the Chiefs have faced some good runners, as well: Deuce McAllister (great back if he can stay healthy), Edgerrin James, DeShawn Foster (everyone says he's the best backup RB in the league, could be starting for most any other team), Jamal Lewis, Mike Vick (hey, he can run as well as any RB). I'm not saying the Chiefs defense is stellar by any means. But your point about having faced good RBs doesn't mean a whole lot to Chiefs fans.

It's the pass defense that is really killing us.

James was essentially allowed to run on the Pats. The game planned called for making the Colts work their way down the field and wait for the inevitable Colt choke. They refused to allow Manning to make big plays to his receivers.

McGahee was coming off three consecutive 100+ games.

Against the Steelers, the Pats flat out sucked. Pitt's first two possessions were 3 and out, then on the 3rd, Law went down with is injury. Next play was a bomb over his replacement. Another TD was a pick returned to the house. Having to play catchup usually results in the defense being on the field alot. Pitt comitted to the run at that point and just wore the Pats D down.

McGahee had 2 straight 100 yd games against NY Giants and Arizona...58 against Baltimore 3 weeks ago and 100+ against Miami 4 weeks ago.

I went back and did so. You're definitely wrong, but whatever.

1. Teams are are behind tend to have MORE success running the ball because it's less expected. Teams that are ahead are playing to defend the big pass play. Your argument that being ahead results in a better run defense PER RUSH makes no sense.

2. Rushing yards per GAME is an irrelevant stat. I ignore it, as I do all "per game" statistics. They're nearly meaningless.

3. Chiefs are allowing more than half a yard MORE PER RUSH than the Patriots.

4. As shown in my post, the Patriots have played three superb running teams (Seattle, St. Louis, Jets (all averaging 4.5+ yards per rush), three average/solid run teams (Indy, Steelers, Arizona (right around 4.0 per rush), and 3 mediocre running teams (Miami and Buff x2). The Chiefs have played 2 superb, 5 average, and 2 mediocre running teams. That's pretty close to a wash.

You know, this comment here says all I need to know. This is the kind of arrogance that is bred when a team wins a couple SBs. That's the only reason why I'm sick of the Pats and fans like this. Reminds me of the Cowboys fans back in the early to mid 90s. Yeah, your team is doing well but, it won't last forever. And your statement is false, btw.

I disagree with the initial post. I will say that I don't think the Chiefs have faced as good a team, on both sides of the ball, as the Patriots. I put only the Steelers and *maybe* the Iggles into that category this year. The Colts defense is still a joke, and we'll see if they can overcome it.

Ravens and some of hte other teams the Chiefs have played have very good defenses.

KC can hang 20+ on anybody. It isn't about stopping them, it's about limiting them.

That's a much more well thought out assessment.

What? Teams that are behind have to play catch up which means passing the ball. Cmon, Amno, you're smarter than that. Ive never seen football game where a team down by more than 10 starts running the ball more than passing it.

Running the ball is just one facet of the game. The Pats have had a cake schedule this year and has had the benefit of playing with big leads. Even the Seattle game, NE jumped out to a 10 point lead early and that pretty much took SA out of the game--it was 20-6 at half time.

Don't you mean you came here to gloat?? Your team sucks and they are just on a lucky streak,,,,they are going down come monday night,,,,and you only picked up your fans because of 9-11 and the superbowl that followed,,,,come on back and run your mouth about being a pats fan after you lose a few,,,,I don't think we will hear from you again.

Hmmmm...A 47-13 record and two Super Bowls since Brady took over in '01. That's a helluva lucky run :hmmm:

And just an FYI, the Pats have sold out every game since '94 and have a season ticket waiting list of over 50,000.

Yes, luck...who knew that a 6th rd QB would have the impact he's had. That's winning the lottery, IMO, much like KC did with Holmes.

Don't even try and talk fans with me,,,,I went to your board,,,,2 people online,,,,where are all of your fans,,,,,,and yea it is a lucky ride,,,enjoy it while you can.

What, are you kidding? I hope so.

You want to see some gloating mofo's, hop on over to a Steeler's board.

We're still getting annoying ass trolls and we didn't even play them this week. I hope to God we get them again in the playoffs.

Seriously though, like any team we've got our bandwaggoners - but there's a whole ton of us who've been around for a coon's age too. I must admit though, winning does make it easier to come out and visit other boards though.

Yep, and both of us are enjoying the ride - thanks.

We got some really annoying Steeler trolls last year before the KC/Pitt game. The 40-10 win kept them from coming back. I can only imagine how insufferable they would have been had KC lost.

To some extent, luck had something to do with getting Brady.

The story usually told says that the Pats were looking to pick up a project QB late in the 2000 draft. Someone they could put on the practice squad and try to develop. The QB coach at the time strongly recommended Brady and Belichick went along. So luck, yes. But give credit to the coach who scouted him.

When Holmes was a free agent in Baltimore, the Pats tried to sign him. At least two teams saw his potential at the time.

Somehow we're completely talking past each other.

1. Teams that are behind tend to throw more and run less, especially as it gets later in the game.

2. Teams that are ahead tend to emphasize pass defense, in order to prevent quick scoring.

3. Pats have had an easier schedule than last year, but it's not a total cakewalk. Pittsburgh, Indy, Seattle, St. Louis and the Jets are all serious teams capable of beating anyone in any given week. My "back of the envelope" math tells me that the Patriots have played teams with a combined record of 41-40, while the Chiefs have played teams with a combined record of 44-37. HOWEVER!!! Since the Patriots are 8-1 and the Chiefs are 3-6, if you deduct those games, and go with a "record against OTHER opponents" metric, you get a Pats opponent combined record of 40-32 compared to 38-34 for the Chiefs. So I'm afraid your "you've had a tougher schedule to deal with" doesn't get too far.

Haven't you ever heard....size doesn't matter.

Im not saying KC's had a tougher schedule...Im saying NE's had a cakewalk schedule. There is a difference in the two statements. I do believe in the 'any given sunday' witness KC's win over Indy, Atlanta or Baltimore as evidence and KC's losses over NO, Carolina as further evidence.

Maybe in your world it doesn't matter,,,,but in my world,,size is very important.:thumb:

Any Given Sunday,,,,,,I love that movie.:thumb:

I really don't think that a team who has had a schedule against teams with an aggregate .500 winning record has a "cakewalk" schedule. At least, not yet.

I DO think that by the end of the year, it may well be proven that the Patriots schedule for the entire season was a cakewalk. We have 7 games left, including ones against the 1-8 Dolphins and 2-7 Niners, the Bungals and Browns.

But the first half schedule does not appear to have been a cakewalk by any means.

This is absolutely the worst thread I've ever read. I can't believe that most of the posts are comparing the Chiefs defense with New England's. Why, good Lord, why?

KC has absolutely no room to even mention the word defense. Our best defense this year has been Holmes, Green, Gonzo, Roaf, and Co. They stay on the field, Wesley, Holliday, Fujita, Mitchell, and Warfield are on the bench.

Any KC fan who uses the word "defense" to describe the team, and then tries to compare it to New England should be bukkaked in whale spunk.

That being said, New England cannot say we've "never seen a defense like this, bla bla bla." I don't care what you bring, KC can, and will, light anyone up for 30+. Only if KC scores 35+ then will they win this game, though. But, make no mistake, our offense will light you up, on a nationally televised game, at Camarohead.

But, KC will still find some way to lose.

A careful reading of the thread would help. Comparing run defenses is legitimate.

A .500 aggregate record is what the league office is hoping for...so I dont find it altogether suprising. That said, actually looking at the schedule that includes Arizona, Dolphins 2x, Buffalo 2x, Niners and Cleveland helps more than hurts.

Absolutely not. KC has given up 7 rushes of 20 yards or more. NE has given up 2. And not only has KC given up 17 passing TD's to NE's 9, KC gives up the 2nd most passing yards per attempt in the NFL.

Stats per game are meaningless. You cannot compare these two defenses on any level.

Edit: KC has also given up 10 rushing TD's to NE's 5.

Seriously, it's just not.

I'm sure I could pull out Corey Dillon's statistics and Tom Brady's sack numbers and stuff and make what sounds like a decent comparison of the Patriots offensive line to yours, but seriously although I like our line and think it does yoeman's work and is fabulously well coached by the best assistant coach you never heard of whose name nobody can remember or spell anyway (Dante Scarnecchia), I just wouldn't bother to do it.

You're comparing your defense to one that has been the prime component of winning 21 games in a row and 2 out of the last 3 Super Bowls. We have 3 1st round draft picks on the defensive line, including All-Pro Richard Seymour. Our LBs consist of multiple pro bowler Willie McGinest, and perennially excellent Tedy Bruschi. Rodney Harrison is awesome in run defense and overall.

And you're comparing Huey, Dewey and Louie to these guys. It just doesn't float.

I would never begin to compare passing defenses, KC is obviously worse. Again, when discussing the rushing defense, it's easier to defend against the run when the team is playing with a 10-14 point lead. The other team has to pass to catch up.

You use stats and then state stats are meaningless...ok, I follow that.

Yes, BUT WE HAVE NOT PLAYED HALF OF THOSE GAMES YET. At THIS point, both the Chiefs and Patriots have played an "average" schedule. By the end of the year, as I already said, the Pats will probably have an easier than average schedule, in retrospect.

Seriously -- you're smart, and I know you're smart. Why are you acting dumb?

And Arizona is 4-5, which *coughisbetterthantheChiefs* so I'm not sure I'd be so quick to diss them.

So it's your contention that a team with the lead will focus on stopping the RUN?!?!?!

What Im saying is in a close game, I think KC can run on NE and will run on NE. I think KC could do to NE what it did to Baltimore.

KC's strength is rushing offense, NE's weak spot is run defense...that's what Im saying. Saying it's "great" or the power of the team, is in short, ludicrous when the rush defense is statistically close to KC's and that's with NE playing with a lead in the vast majority of their games.

Dont be obtuse...a team doesnt have to defend a phase of the game that is not attempted. When a team is down 14, they run less.

And all this time, I thought this was widely accepted as fact...silly me.

I'll use your quote..."a careful reading of the thread would help".

I said, "stats per game are meaningless." I was using stats of 20+ yards, yards per attempt, total TD's, etc.

I really can't believe I'm having this conversation... :shake: :shake:

1. Chiefs run defense is among the worst in the NFL, more than half a yard worse than the Patriots.

2. Pats have allowed 2 runs this year of over 20 yards. Chiefs have allowed 7.

3. Chiefs have allowed twice as many rushing TDs as the Pats (10 to 5).

4. Pats have forced 8 fumbles this year. Chiefs have forced 1.

Right, they run less. Okay, good. So you agree that a defense does NOT focus on stopping the run when they are ahead.

Now then, we also agreed (you stated, and I agree) that the Patriots have played with a lead most of the time this year. In point of fact, which I doubt you knew, the Patriots have scored first in the last 17 games they have played. But anyway...

Next question -- the Patriots are allowing 4.1 yards per rush attempt to their opponents. The Chiefs are allowing 4.8. Because the Patriots are ahead most of the time, they are NOT focusing on stopping the run, but despite this fact they are allowing more than half a yard less per rush than the Chiefs.

Please account for this in your assessment that the Chiefs run defense is better than the Patriots and explain...

Logic escapes many a Chief fan.

You can dress a turd up all you want (with worthless per-game stats) but, in the end, it's still a turd.

I don't disagree that the above MAY be true. I think you will find, however, that the Patriots are very good at stopping whatever ONE thing they want to stop. I think the Pats will focus on stopping your running game, and keep Tony Gonzalez from going wild, and let your WRs try to beat us.

BUT I note this is not your original argument. You originally said

The above statement is completely ridiculous.