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Pats Fan 11-18-2004 06:11 PM

Favorite Chiefs QB
 
Pats Fan asking -- who was your best and favorite KC QB. On the Pats side, first Brady, then Grogan. Bledsoe -- glad to see him in Buffalo. The bum. Grogan was always my favorite, but Brady has changed my mind.

KC QB - Montana (in his twilight years), still the best QB that ever played the game.

Ebolapox 11-18-2004 06:14 PM

hmmm... there haven't been too many great chiefs qbs in my era of being a fan (started when I was around seven or eight, really--90 or 91)

green's good, deberg was good in his time... dave kraig wasn't bad either though... girlbac, eek, kill me now...

-EB-

HolmeZz 11-18-2004 06:15 PM

Rich Gannon. :p

Pats Fan 11-18-2004 06:16 PM

That is why I was asking. I was trying to think of a QB that KC had that was really good. All I could think of was Montana. Help my memory please. Thanks.

shakesthecat 11-18-2004 06:17 PM

For me, it starts and ends with Todd Blackledge.

Pats Fan 11-18-2004 06:17 PM

Gannon, went to the Raiders. How long was he with your team???

Ebolapox 11-18-2004 06:17 PM

hell, we've got the bad habit of getting qbs that are way past their prime... we've had several hall of fame qbs when it was 'too late'...

warren moon was a chief for a while... montana, obviously... gannon, though before he 'blew up'... kraig's a borderline hall of famer (damned small hands!!!)

-EB-

Pats Fan 11-18-2004 06:19 PM

Now you have Trent Green, how would you rate this guy. I don't know that much about him. I will see for myself on Monday night. Hey, you beat the Colts.

OldTownChief 11-18-2004 06:20 PM

How can there be a Chiefs QB thread without mention of Len Dawson

Skip Towne 11-18-2004 06:20 PM

Lenny Dawson.

OldTownChief 11-18-2004 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skip Towne
Lenny Dawson.


:thumb: Thank You!!

Ebolapox 11-18-2004 06:21 PM

green's a good qb--not a hall of famer, he started way too late in his career (he was a seventh round draft pick in 93 for the chargers, and didn't play a down in the nfl until like 97)

that said, he'll never be a team's answer to peyton manning--he'll always be good if he's surrounded with a good supporting cast, but I wouldn't rely on him to be the next john elway (I still hate that fucker)

-EB-

Ebolapox 11-18-2004 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldTownChief
How can there be a Chiefs QB thread without mention of Len Dawson

who knows... something about the fact that I never saw him, he was way before my time...

-EB-

nychief 11-18-2004 06:24 PM

len dawson by a mile.

I am waiting for the first BILL KENNEY rep!

Deberg_1990 11-18-2004 06:24 PM

I think you can all guess who my favorite is??? Least Favorite was probably Bono.

OldTownChief 11-18-2004 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990
I think you can all guess who my favorite is??? Least Favorite was probably Bono.

My least fav was Blackledge, what a disappointment. And when you think about all the others picked after him. :banghead:

Pats Fan 11-18-2004 06:28 PM

Thanks Len Dawson. I remember the face. I just could not put a name on him. Yeh, you had a great one (other than Montana). Lenny Dawson, now that guy was good. I was remembering his face. Darn, thanks. See what getting old gets you. I remember the face, the play, not the name. Thanks. He was in fact a great QB.

Deberg_1990 11-18-2004 06:41 PM

no Mike Elkins haters??

DenverChief 11-18-2004 06:45 PM

Montana, Deberg, Green, Krieg, those guys were the best QB's the Chiefs had since I started watching (1989) Marty's first season

Ebolapox 11-18-2004 06:45 PM

fuck mike elkins

there, feel better deberg??

-EB-

Ebolapox 11-18-2004 06:46 PM

matt blundin's my hero

-EB-

Deberg_1990 11-18-2004 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EBOLA
matt blundin's my hero

-EB-

**** Matt Blundin!

Saulbadguy 11-18-2004 06:48 PM

Marc Dunn.

DenverChief 11-18-2004 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EBOLA
matt blundin's my hero

-EB-

ROFL

Ebolapox 11-18-2004 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990
**** Matt Blundin!

Neg rep 4U

-EB-

Ebolapox 11-18-2004 06:49 PM

OMGcaseyclaussenROXERZURSOXER!!

-EB-

DJay23 11-18-2004 06:49 PM

Steve Pelleur

Deberg_1990 11-18-2004 06:50 PM

Steve Peuller and Steve Fuller had some good years here.....LOL

HolmeZz 11-18-2004 06:54 PM

I forgot about Todd Collins.

Deberg_1990 11-18-2004 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HolmeZz
I forgot about Todd Collins.

no problem, almost everyone does, Its easy to do when he hasnt thrown a "meaningful" NFL pass in about 6 years.

HolmeZz 11-18-2004 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990
no problem, almost everyone does, Its easy to do when he hasnt thrown a "meaningful" NFL pass in about 6 years.

Keep f'n doubtin' my all time favorite Chief QB. :harumph:

KC Margarita Man 11-18-2004 07:00 PM

Lenny the Cool, then Green, then Deberg. I was also a big Kenney fan. He had to be the greatest at being able to deliver the ball from a prone position (bad o-lines in those days).

OldTownChief 11-18-2004 07:02 PM

During the 1960s the Chiefs franchise were the only club to capture three American Football League (AFL) championships. Coached by Hank Stram, the team had one of the AFL’s most feared defenses. Quarterback Len Dawson, a five-time passing champion and future Hall of Fame member, led the offense.

Bwana 11-18-2004 07:05 PM

For me it's a tie Dawson / Montana.

Rick 11-18-2004 07:06 PM

GRBAC!! Ok, sorry, that's not even funny.

Spott 11-18-2004 07:09 PM

Never really liked any of them that I've seen. Dawson was around before I was born. I admired Deberg because he wasn't a pu$$y like Montana, but none of the one's I've seen have been better than average for the most part.

foxman 11-18-2004 07:19 PM

Ahhh the Fuller and Kenny days of 8-8 :thumb:

Calcountry 11-18-2004 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EBOLA
hmmm... there haven't been too many great chiefs qbs in my era of being a fan (started when I was around seven or eight, really--90 or 91)

green's good, deberg was good in his time... dave kraig wasn't bad either though... girlbac, eek, kill me now...

-EB-

You forgot Len Dawson. :shake:

Spott 11-18-2004 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by foxman
Ahhh the Fuller and Kenny days of 8-8 :thumb:

More like the days of 6-10.

Calcountry 11-18-2004 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shakesthecat
For me, it starts and ends with Todd Blackledge.

ROFL Another Penn State first rounder.

ChiefsCountry 11-18-2004 07:21 PM

Dawson is the franchise. After that Green has to be up there and Montana. Gannon was popular. Krieg and DeBerg just were good enough to get the job done. Then we have had too many crappy quarterbacks to name.

ROYC75 11-18-2004 07:23 PM

If Dawson could have played in todays game and rules.... Oh my.

Dawson
Green
Kenny
Montana
DeBerg

As for backups ........

Gannon
Livingston

OldTownChief 11-18-2004 07:24 PM

Has anyone mentioned Mike Livingston. He led the Chiefs in 9 games during their SB win season.

Ebolapox 11-18-2004 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bunnytrdr
You forgot Len Dawson. :shake:

no I didn't, he was just before my time...

that would be like a bears fan not mentioning sid luckman in their list of alltime best bears qbs... he was a hall of famer and alltime great, but VERY FEW people today know who the fuck he was

-EB-

ROYC75 11-18-2004 07:29 PM

Now the most accurate QB we ever had in the history of the team......

An Oakland castoff.... Tom Flores, his last year in the NFL as a player. 1969 .... 1 attempt and 1 completion for 33 yards.

OldTownChief 11-18-2004 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EBOLA
no I didn't, he was just before my time...

that would be like a bears fan not mentioning sid luckman in their list of alltime best bears qbs... he was a hall of famer and alltime great, but VERY FEW people today know who the fuck he was

-EB-

Yea but Len's still alive. Kinda

Ebolapox 11-18-2004 07:30 PM

tom flores was da BOMB in phantoms

-EB-

ROYC75 11-18-2004 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldTownChief
Has anyone mentioned Mike Livingston. He led the Chiefs in 9 games during their SB win season.


I mentioned him before you did, but as a backup. He played wellthat 69 season as a backup, after Lenny retired, Mike didn't and couldn't do crap with the team we had. BTA, neither could anybody else.

Eleazar 11-18-2004 07:33 PM

Green is far and away the best I've seen.

Montana was better, in his prime, but Green has been better in a Chiefs uniform.

Ebolapox 11-18-2004 07:34 PM

hmmm... give green and this year's chiefs offense that 93' defense with DT and neil smith, and I guarantee green brings home a super bowl

-EB-

OldTownChief 11-18-2004 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EBOLA
hmmm... give green and this year's chiefs offense that 93' defense with DT and neil smith, and I guarantee green brings home a super bowl

-EB-


No argument here, you could use any pre-2000 Chiefs defense and we would have won it all last season.

gblowfish 11-18-2004 07:39 PM

I've been watching the Chiefs since 1965. Here's my humble opinion. We'll just talk guys who started at least a game or two and ignore the career backups:

Great Chiefs QBs: Dawson and Montana.

Good Chiefs QBs: Green, DeBerg, Kreig, Gannon.

Mediocre Chiefs QBs: Livingston, Bono, Jaworksi.

Crappy Chiefs QBs: Fuller, Grbac, Kenney, Moon, Pelleur.

Total Waste of Flesh: Blackledge.

My highly opinionated Chiefs page is here:
http://www.georgeblowfish.com/chiefsmain.html

Deberg_1990 11-18-2004 07:52 PM

Question for you old timers on the board. So who were our QB's from like the mid 1970's to the early 1980's? I dont remember them, I guess i was too young then.

Spott 11-18-2004 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990
Question for you old timers on the board. So who were our QB's from like the mid 1970's to the early 1980's? I dont remember them, I guess i was too young then.

I remember Livingston(barely), Steve Fuller and then Bill Kenney.

Deberg_1990 11-18-2004 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mizzou5
I remember Livingston(barely), Steve Fuller and then Bill Kenney.

I remember Fuller, but thats the earliest one i can remember. I think he was drafed in like 1979 though?? SO who did we have after Lenny retired? IN the mid 1970's???

OldTownChief 11-18-2004 08:10 PM

Bill Kenney went from 79 to 88, then your boy Steve came in. Before that I think mizzou is right it was Livingston and Fuller. I can't remember who Kenneys backup was.

OldTownChief 11-18-2004 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990
I remember Fuller, but thats the earliest one i can remember. I think he was drafed in like 1979 though?? SO who did we have after Lenny retired? IN the mid 1970's???


It was Livingston after Dawson then Fuller then Kenney then Blackledge then Deberg.

Inspector 11-18-2004 08:17 PM

Lenny then Trent.

OldTownChief 11-18-2004 08:18 PM

Here ya go.
http://www.kcchiefs.com/history/

Deberg_1990 11-18-2004 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldTownChief

thanks for the link. Ive never checked that stuff out before. I do remember Paul Wiggins vaguely when i was a kid......Greatest coach in Chiefs history!! LOL

Skip Towne 11-18-2004 08:37 PM

Another QB that was around when Livingston was there was a dude named Jackie Lee. I'm not sure if he ever played though.

CosmicPal 11-18-2004 08:42 PM

The only one to have taken the team to two Super Bowls....

Lenny Dawson

:thumb:

Spott 11-18-2004 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldTownChief
It was Livingston after Dawson then Fuller then Kenney then Blackledge then Deberg.

Wasn't Jaworski between Blackledge & Deberg?

Deberg_1990 11-18-2004 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mizzou5
Wasn't Jaworski between Blackledge & Deberg?

Yea, he was here in like 1989. I dont think he started many games?? We also had Mike Webster the HOF center from the Steelers that year as well.

Hammock Parties 11-18-2004 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gblowfish
I've been watching the Chiefs since 1965. Here's my humble opinion. We'll just talk guys who started at least a game or two and ignore the career backups:

Great Chiefs QBs: Dawson and Montana.

Good Chiefs QBs: Green, DeBerg, Kreig, Gannon.

Mediocre Chiefs QBs: Livingston, Bono, Jaworksi.

Crappy Chiefs QBs: Fuller, Grbac, Kenney, Moon, Pelleur.

Total Waste of Flesh: Blackledge.

My highly opinionated Chiefs page is here:
http://www.georgeblowfish.com/chiefsmain.html

Grbac/Kenney at least deserve the mediocre ranking. Grbac was pretty good his last two years here.

Spott 11-18-2004 08:59 PM

Does anyone remember who our scab QB was in 87 during the strike?

Deberg_1990 11-18-2004 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UserName
Grbac/Kenney at least deserve the mediocre ranking. Grbac was pretty good his last two years here.

True, they werent the greatest, but you have to give them props for at least throwing for 4000 yards once.

ROYC75 11-18-2004 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skip Towne
Another QB that was around when Livingston was there was a dude named Jackie Lee. I'm not sure if he ever played though.

Dawson, Lee, and Livingston was our QB's that year.

Jackie Lee was the top backup in the 69-70 SB team, he came in the game after Dawson got injured. Memory serves me right, Lee went down the same game and Livingston finished. Flores was signed the next week as a backup to Livingston after the Lee injury , who had been by Buffalo.

Mike Livingston was the # 3 QB on the roster. Mike started and lead the team to 9 wins in Dawsons absence. Lee came back after the 3rd or 4th game Livingston started but never became the starter because we were winning with Mike .

ROYC75 11-18-2004 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mizzou5
Does anyone remember who our scab QB was in 87 during the strike?

Damn, That's 1 don't recall, I'll see if I can find that one.

ROYC75 11-18-2004 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mizzou5
Does anyone remember who our scab QB was in 87 during the strike?

Wasn't it 1982 they had the strike ?

ROYC75 11-18-2004 10:07 PM

You can find just about anything you want to know here ....

http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/te...stories/chiefs

Sure-Oz 11-18-2004 10:09 PM

Trent Green and Joe Montana.

digi2fish 11-18-2004 10:12 PM

Joe Montana is the first reason I became a Chiefs fan

ROYC75 11-18-2004 10:27 PM

1982 and 1987 both years had strikes.

ArrowheadChief 11-18-2004 10:30 PM

I think Steve Deberg was the smartest and toughest but, I'm going to say Trent Green the best

tk13 11-18-2004 10:36 PM

For those looking for historical stats...

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...s/kanindex.htm

mississippichiefan 11-18-2004 11:26 PM

Len Dawson, Joe Montana , Trent Green , Steve Deberg ,

craneref 11-18-2004 11:26 PM

Len Dawson the ONLY Super Bowl winner, but you got to give props to Montana, even on the downside of his career he still stuck and broke it off to the broncos on Monday night at Mile High. Green has turned out to be the man and loved the grit of Deberg, but I would have to say Blackledge was my favorite BUST as a CHIEFS QB.

OldTownChief 11-19-2004 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ROYC75
Damn, That's 1 don't recall, I'll see if I can find that one.

Our 87 scab QB's were Matt Stevens until he was injured than Alex Espinoza
http://www.kcchiefs.com/history/80s/

Miles 11-19-2004 01:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by digi2fish
Joe Montana is the first reason I became a Chiefs fan

Same here :thumb:


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