If Mike Williams is on the board, should we take him?
 

I say yes, even though our defense is terrible. I would not pass up a chance at a possible super star on offense. If not him then I would take Rolle.

NO! If we take a WR with Rolle on the board there will be a 9 iron through my TV.

i dont want Rolle with a Derrick Johnson available... Rolle is a cb, and even the best get burned toast like Chump Bailey... I want a stud in our LB corps for the next 10 years.

I agree I want Derick Johnson also.

It depends on your horizon...
 

Mike Williams is a slow(er) possesion type receiver, who has been out of football for a year. Nope.

If Antrelle Rolle and Derrick Johnson are gone, Braylon Edwards could be a good WR choice.

There aren't too many good MLB's in this draft, and certainly none worthy of picking in the first round. IMO.

Williams is a bad ass. Rolle is a stud player. No way I take Johnson over Rolle. We have bitched to no end to have a great corner. Rolle has very good chance to be just that.

I'd rather have a great Linebacker as opposed to a great CB, since the NFL has decided Cornerbacks must play flag football now. Think about that for a minute.

Damn it, NO freaking offense in the first round.

That being said I think Braylon Edwards could be as good as Mike Williams, hasn't been sitting for a year, and could be had lower in the first round.

Faster as well. I don't think he will last until the late first, though. It would be nice if Mark Clayton would drop to the 2nd round.

It all really depends on our position. If we are in the top 10, and

1) Derrick Johnson is gone
2) Rolle is gone
3) Marlin Jackson is gone

I'd say go with a WR, or maybe even a LT.

Here we go again with the "lets get offense in the 1st round" shit. Maybe Gun can turn this D around. Are there any good long snappers out there in the top 5?

I've read that Williams really isn't that fast. I'm not sure he's worthy of a top 10 pick.

I think one of the problems that the Chiefs will face if they have a top 5 or top 10 pick is the fact that positions of need might not be represented at those picks. I don't think there are any MLB's ranked that high nor any DE's in the top 5. That leaves corner and OLB. It'll be an interesting draft day if Rolle or Johnson are taken before KC picks.

DEFENSE..DEFENSE..DEFENSE.. :harumph:

yeah, as much as I'd like to draft Williams we can not pass on Rolle or Johnson...we have 0 impact players on our defense, and this may be our best chance to get one in the draft since....um, Sims....I'm going to vomit, be right back

There aren't too many LB's worthy of taking in the first round IMO. DE's is another story. I'd say we are "set" at the DT position.

Its either an OLB, CB, or DE as far as defense goes. I don't see us getting rid of Eric Hicks (we love him to much here), and Jared Allen will likely get the nod to start next year, so IMO that rules out a DE.

There are quality CB's and WR's in the first round in this draft...gotta take whats available.

He's the next Keyshawn Johnson. Tall, slow, lanky USC possesion receiver. Not that that is bad, it fits many kinds of offenses, just not ours.

DE's there are plenty of, but almost NO MLB's.

Draft is a gamble, bank on veterans
 

Look at all the first round busts throughout the leauge over the years with all teams. We have gotten quality players between rounds 3-6. A rookie wideout can make it better than a rookie cb to start in this leauge I believe. Perhaps we take a top wideout through draft and build the D with veterans because lets face it, were lacking talent, but we crave leadership. Gun cant do it from a pressbox. Sign veterans at LB and CB. Im still happy overall with Harts at SS. Wesley I think we signed for a year contract and hes playing like it, but is better than Woods, so we'll split hairs there. Im babbling and this is a waste anyways.

sounds better than our slow, pass dropping 30 year old WRs....Williams catches everything and he is plenty fast for the NFL....speed is so over rated

I would love to see Edwards wearing red but with gaping holes like we have on defense I think picking offense is inexcusable.

We need a linebacker who can play sideline to sideline, I think is our number 1 need. We need our Ray Lewis, our Brian Urlacher, our Zach Thomas, Julian Peterson, one of those types of guys.

I read that Williams has to be careful to not eat himself into a TE. I say stay away from this guy. We have Gonzo and Wilson as pass catching TEs we don't need a third. We need a 6'3" WR with 4.4 speed and good route running ability not a 4th TE.

PhilFree :arrow:

Williams isn't that good. He dominated in college through shear physical ability. He won't get away with alot of that stuff in the pros.

He's the last WR on the board I would take.

ALL D in the draft... free agency for WR.

If Antrel Rolle is on the board when we pick, we had BETTER select him.

We desperately need a top-notch WR, but I'm starting to lean more toward a LB with that top pick now. I wouldn't throw myself off a cliff if we got a superstar WR, though.

Derrick Johnson. He should be our #1 priority. He isn't a MLB though, like Ray, Brian, or Zach. Like I said before, I don't think there are any MLB's worthy of picking in the first round of this draft.

Derrick Johnson is small for an NFL LB. 225# at most.

Antrel Rolle, a bona fide shutdown CB, is where we need to go. (if available)

:spock:
6-4 235 is too small?

Derrick Johnson is who we should take. Besides Mike Williams will be with Raiders. Him, Clarett, and Ricky Williams all will be Raiders just watch.

Williams is going to be a great player and I'd love to have him as a Chief. That having been said, our window of opportunity is closing, and our only chance to do something inside of it is to draft defense, defense, defense.

No, I don't take Williams, as tempting as it would be.

He didn't say TOO small.

But yes, Johnson is a little small.

He's officially listed as 6'4", 235 pounds but most of the draft sites say he is only about 220...

Scouts inc lists him as 6'3 233. They are pretty accurate when reporting size. He is a "little" small I suppose, maybe 10 lbs too small. He's got some hellafied speed though.

Ray Lewis is a little on the small side too for a ILB.

PhilFree :arrow:

'Gotta go with Rolle or Derrick Johnson if available. We absolutely have to find playmakers on D, rookies or not.

Our draft strategy will clearly be affected by what we do in FA. The biggest thing tho, is we have to remember if we have a guy rated as a true impact player, we have to take him regardless of postion.

In another thread, I said we needed to target two Ravens on D:

1) Gary Baxter
2) Edgerton Hartwell

That will considerably help our D by shoring up corner and MLB. The biggest point is that both are YOUNG (26) too, so that will not kill us in terms of age, and with Dalton we might have 3 defenders with "Raven" attitudes (something we desperately need).

Other possibilities might be Titan defenders Andre Dyson at corner and Rocky Calmus at MLB. Gunther certainly knows them and they certainly can play Gunther's D, but Calmus will be a restricted FA. How available he will be will depend on the Titans tender offer to him.

I agree that Mike Williams is not a fit in the KC offense. In FA, the WR crop is thin; the two biggest targets are Plaxico Burress and Marvin Harrison. Obviously, Harrison is the prize; but, considering our needs on D, can we outbid the Colts for him?

That leaves the draft, and there I like the best pass rusher, presuming there is a difference making pass rusher in the draft. That, then is a matter of scouting. If there isn't that difference making guy, I say take Derrick Johnson. Gunther knows how to use an undersized linebacker (remember Donnie Edwards)?

A lot of this will depend on how exactly the first round evaluations shake out and the teams that draft in our neighborhood. Because if we could trade down and get Antrel Rolle that would be tempting.

We also will likely have the ammo to move into the low 1st for a second pick because we will probably have two 3rds because of the Tait compensatory pick.

Plaxico Burress or Marvin Harrison..hm...Harrison is a big name so we won't get him. The Colts probably wont re-sign him. They will re-sign Edge, as Harrisons production has dropped. I don't think Peyton cares who the hell he throws to.

I would take LB over a CB, it seems corners take longer to develop anyway, champ bailey being a rarer case. This offense needs speed at WR.

We shouldn't pick up a WR at all.We will be fine next year with BO and S.Parker not a rookie.We need Defense.

I hope Bo will still have his speed after that surgery. We do need a #1 wr threat though, we have too many #2 and 3 wr's.

My 2cents- we take the player with the greatest potential at being an "impact" player... someone who can change a freaking game.. I dont' care what position he is..

I wanted Antrel more before the season really started, but I've grown into a huge DJ supporter. He's a freak and I think he can make an immediate impact.

Antrel's actually declined this year, IMO. I don't think he's a shut-down corner, and if anyone's watched tape of Miami this year, you'd see that Rolle is a tenth the cornerback he normally is when you send him in motion; and that's a big part of NFL offenses. I think Derrick's the better player and safer bet.

Plus, I think there are very good corner prospects who could be had later on in the draft, i.e. Pac-Man Jones, Bryant McFadden.

Sign Jerry Porter or Plaxico Burress. Draft D.

I'd much rather have Derrick Johnson than any of those guys, I think he may be the best player available in this draft... our corners would look 1000 times better if they didn't have to defend people by themselves with no safety help 30 yards down the field because we don't get enough pass rush. I think Derrick Johnson can be a force rushing off the edge, his closing speed and ability is sick. I think Gunther can turn him into a QB killer. I'd address the safeties in the secondary before the corners... I never thought I'd say that.

Derrick johnson is a one year wonder.

move one of our shitty corners to saftey. I think Warfield would be a sick saftey, but he will stay at corner. Try bartee back at saftey

Bartee could play safety. Keep Warfield at corner.

I'd be happy with either DJ or Rolle and wouldn't bitch until whichever one we didn't get ended up being an all pro.

We actually had the right idea in 2003 when we added Barber, Holliday & McCleon in FA and used the draft for the future. Granted the players we added in both ended up not being as good as advertised, but we need to follow the pattern that we did before when we tried to fill our holes in FA. However we need to follow it up by picking the best defensive player available to add to the mix instead of an offensive player.

Right now our season is lost and we need to see what we have on both offense & defense and let the rookies and younger players get a chance to start to gain experience for next year. We need to see heavy play time from all of the second & third stringers now on both sides of the ball.

This is DV's last ever draft and I think he'll have more say than the last couple of years and I think he'll put more effort into it than he did last year when he thought his 13 & 3 team was so close.

This could be it for a lot of the coaches & staff in KC and they all need to bone up and do some serious homework, we can't afford for them to be wrong.

would you rather have Ray Lewis or Chump Bailey?

Id rather have a stud linebacker or shut down corner. Those are harder to find than WR's. Those can be found in the 2nd and 3rd round. Although, ill admit, Mike Williams would be hard to pass on.

Cornerbacks are overrated now, since the refs are being bitches.

Charles Woodson and Antre Rolle would look awesome in Chiefs uniforms.

Can a guy named Mike Williams really be a superstar in this league? Is his name to common to be recognizable in every household in America? Is it cool enough?

For example, there's no way that Joe Montana wasn't destined for greatness. Joe Montana is the best name in America. Priest Holmes is another great name, as is Dick Butkus and Bronko Nagurski and Johnny Unitas and Sid Luckman and Dan Marino.

You can also be a star with an average name, like Barry Sanders or Walter Payton or Tommy Nobis. I'm not sure that you can do it with a common name like Mike Williams, though. Does he have a middle name he can use?

Currently we share a 3-8 record with Cleveland & Washington with San Fran drafting #1 & Miami #2, so we should be around the #5 pick overall.
Given that San Fran is likely to pick a QB & Miami either a QB or RB, we could have our choice of either DJ or Rolle. Both could be looking at Brees & I wouldn't be surprised if Warner got granted a release in NY.

Cleveland is going to have a new head coach who could be looking for a QB in the draft to build around. Their Oline isn't great either. Their LB's were pretty good before injury problems hit, but their offense has been less than spectacular as a whole.

Washington will most likely go offense as their D is pretty stout and they'd likely go WR or Oline, so either Edwards or Barron could go there.

So we should have our pick of the best defensive player available and I'd have to think that would be DJ.

My own personal draft board:

1 - Antrel Rolle - You can find good LBs easier than you can a CB. Rolle is going to be great.
2 - Derrick Johnson - Best LB to come out in years.
3 - Mike Williams - I don't care about 40 times. That's so overrated. He's a huge playmaker with size. That's something we need. Tired of these short & slow WRs.

Are you reeruned? A one year wonder?

It depends on who is available on D.

If Derrick Johnson, Rolle and one of the top defensive ends is gone, I would have 0 problem with drafting Mike Williams. He would set up our passing offense for years.

Man the draft is a long ways away, i may actually have a reason to be excited this year though atleast, well until we blow the 1st round pick on an offensive tackle from South Western Bell.

If DV, Priest, Shields and Roaf come back for one more year we could make a run with a easier schedule. Draft best available player but we HAVE to sign defensive cb, mlb and wr free agents for immediate impact even at the risk of cap hell. Maybe bring in Couch for qb #2 and qbotf.
We'll most likely screw up the draft picks anyway so I don't hold much hope we'll get any "impact" rookies.

I'd probably take Johnson over Rolle. Johnson is regarded as THE best linebacker to come out of college in years. Rolle is a very good corner, but isn't described as THE best corner in years. He's the best (ranked anyway) this year, but not the best in several years as Johnson is.

If they are both gone when KC picks I'd be happy with Braylon and then Williams.

Doesn't dallas have a high profile CB from K-State that has yet to pan out???

I'd rather take my luck with Johnson.

Newman - Real good rookie season, struggling in 2nd season. Give the guy a break. He might come back next year and tear it up.

As much as I love Newman, I'm pretty sure Rolle will be graded as a better player than Terrence.

And playing at Miami, the guy certainly has more experience playing against the best talent in the country. (Completely shut down Larry Fitzgerald last year)

But there really is no wrong anser here between Johnson & Rolle. Everybody's so afraid of Carl messing up another pick, that's why I'm saying we need to be in a position where it's a no brainer pick. This way, Carl can't mess it up.

If we're drafting anywhere from 3-6 and either Rolle or Johnson are there, you take them. That's a no brainer pick.

If Rolle and Johnson are off of the board, I wouldn't be opposed to taking Williams. However, I would rather see us use the pick on defense.

Yeah either way I think I will be happy, let's hope we are in the position to get either one cause we need both of them.

Of course well the Chiefs take Johnson, they have what, 4 MLB on the team aready that they think are pretty good, do they dump them and pick Johnson when there is a need at CB? Oh well, hopefully we get someone decent that the Chiefs geniuses will decide is good enough to play right now.

I think a big part of who we take may also depend on the agent the players chose.

ESPN Draft Tracker (it's part on 'in') has Rolle as the 2nd highest rated prospect with a 98 rating. Interestingly the highest rated prospect is Heath Miller, TE Virginia with a 102 rating. Johnson has a rating of 96 which makes him the #2 defensive prospect. All that probably means sqawt but it's early draft info.

PhilFree :arrow:

Great. Heath Miller, welcome to Kansas City.

I think DV and CP have a plan for our first round draft pick........the answer is: a kicker

the reason are safeties are back is because our corners can't cover a 90 year old grandma for more than 1.2 seconds.


our pass rush sucks because our coverage is so weak we can't afford to take chances.

I don't know about that... they aren't all world corners or anything but when you have stuff like Joe Horn splitting your safeties right down the middle for a 50 yard TD late in the 4th quarter there's a problem. Jaws did a pretty good breakdown a week ago and he really blamed our safeties for the pass defense problems. I'd rather put a veteran than a rookie in that situation and have the young guy at LB. Not that I'd have anything against having a guy like Rolle at all, I wouldn't complain, but given a preference I'd take the stud LB.

Please tell me 1 linebacker we have that's any good.

I know the Chiefs think Kawika is good, but he sucks.

Barber is going to be gone next year.

Rolle, Williams or Johnson and I'm a happy camper.

Draft Position board has KC picking at #5 and Oakland picking at #8. Mel's Big Board has 'em ranked:

1. Mike Williams Jr. WR USC
Terrific combo of size and strength.

2. Carnell Williams Sr. RB Auburn
Very creative and deceptively strong runner.

3. Ronnie Brown Sr. RB Auburn
A complete, explosive back who does it all.

4. Cedric Benson Sr. RB Texas
Four straight years with over 1,000 yards.

5. Dan Cody Sr. DT Oklahoma
A fiery, intense end who's coming on strong

6. Erasmus James Sr. DE Wisconsin
Outstanding pass rusher who can play the run.

7. Derrick Johnson Sr. LB Texas
Strength, speed and a nose for the ball.

8. Travis Johnson Sr. DT Fla. St.
Vastly improved and a dominant performer.

9. Antrel Rolle Sr. CB Miami
Great in coverage and a good tackler.

10. Braylon Edwards Sr. WR Michigan
Has the size, speed and athleticism to dominate.

My want list:

1. Derrick Johnson

2. Erasmus James

3. Mattias Whathisname

4. Antrel Rolle

5. Braylon Edwards

6. Mike Williams

The Chiefs SHOULD be able to get ONE of those guys, right?

I'll go with "yes."

Ummmmmm.....Can't think of any.

Derrick's not a MLB.

Whoever Carl takes high in the draft, get ready for a lonnnng, drawn out contract dispute...even though their salaries are slotted, Carl will find a way to fu@k it up.

We need the help at corner. I say move Warfield back to safety where he played in college, draft Rolle, pick up MLB Barret Ruud (yes, I'm a Husker homer, but he was freakin' awesome this year) in the 2nd round. Those are 2 impact players who could start for this team.

The thing is, I don't know that Fujita is a total lost cause, and Beisel has been servicable. Mitchell seems to be the big bust, which sucks cuz he can hit when he wants to. Willie Pile, I think he'll be a good safety, and I still like Sapp as a DB. Battle, well, we're seeing what he might have. He could get better. As someone said, it takes longer for CB's to develop, so he may still pan out...

No.

Little late there eh.....