DRAFT. Corner, Def-end will be the position. You can find MLB free agent...
 

Do you agree. I hear all you talking about MLB but we can't keep throwing picks at that position. Kawika and beisel might be able to handle it there.

OLB might be needed in the draft but I want Corner or Defensive end.

Agree ?

yes

Lbs via Free Agency

Corner and DE are the two biggest needs IMO.

Yes, I've been saying that for a while. We still need to draft LBs, but we can find a starting MLB in FA.

Other than Mitchell how many MLB's have the Chiefs drafted in the last 5 or 6 years? I don't see them throwing picks at the position.

I think they need a dominant MLB, a DE and a CB (in that order).

Mitchell and Beisel cannot 'handle' MLB... they've proven that much.

MLB = the defense's QB. If there's a stud MLB available in the draft, you take him. If not, Corner. RDE would be nice, but it's the least of our defensive weaknesses right now.

Is there a MLB worth Drafting in the 1st round?

I say go with Hartwell from the Ravens.

Probably not. I was just commenting on the mistatement that the Chiefs have thrown picks at that position in recent years.

I think pursuing a free agent MLB is probably the best approach, but two of the better guys - Hartwell and Bell play in a 3-4 and I think there would be a problem in adjusting to a 4-3 early in the season.

Hartwell would be great. I'd actually prefer a vet MLB at this point (considering our recent track record in the draft).

That kid out of Virginia, Ahmad Brooks, would be a nice fit IMO.

I'd love to draft a dominant MLB, but realistically I don't see it happening as they give Mitchell another year or two to learn how to play football.

If we don't draft an MLB, I'd vote for an OLB. Is Barber going to be back? Is he a good answer anyway? If not him, then who's going to be our SLB next year? Unless someone steps up and seizes the job, I see a gaping hole at that position.

I'm sick of this "they play in a 3-4" crap. Hartwell is a playmaker and has had the best mentor one could have. Singleterry and Lewis, I say give the dude a chance, whats the worst that happens? He doesn't make it at MLB but replaces someone at OLB.

He's played inside linebacker and has the size.

Same thing as last year for me... I want a CB, but I don't want to rely on all our secondary improvement coming from rookies... I'm all for drafting a CB or two but don't stop there, we've got to bring in a veteran because of the more "touchy feely" contact enforcement plus the speed of the game adjustment a college CB will have to make in the pros.

There not going to get a MLB.Kawika will get better with more time with Gun.I still do belive he will be good.He isn't the reason we are losing football games.Its our corner and maybe the DE position.I say get a Corner,DE,and let Kawika develop.

Unless he's your top pick. I HATE it when we draft a player high, then sit him behind some shitty 'vet'. You made the guy your #1 pick for a reason. Now put him on the field and let him do his job.

He's had enough time... he's "developed" into a non-tackling, slow, poor angle-taking, give up on plays MLB. He is backup material and ST fodder at best.

Time to move on.

Thats why you go DE in the first. We can get a damn good DE at 15 or so. Its the fastest position to learn and its a player that can contribute right away

We'll have a great shot at him...I hope we pick him. He's was a force on what was a great defense in college...and he stood out.
Derrick Johnson and Antrel Rolle we can now forget about...the Saints and Titans have their number. If Brooks is gone....we'll target CB...
either Justin Miller from Clemson (a good player) or Marlin Jackson from Michigan.

I agree with this, resign Scott Fujita or just start Keyaron Fox at Left Outside Linebacker next year, sign Ed Hartwell from the Ravens, and Draft Ahmad Brooks and we should have a very good LB core.

I would love the lineup of Fujita, Hartwell, and Brooks. The Brooks kid is gonna be a stud from what i've heard and i cant till the draft gets here I hope we draft him but we probably wouldnt have a shot at getting him at all more than likely.

Hes not that slow.Sue he can't talking but good coaching can help that.

The sorry group of D coaches we have now certianly haven't taught anyone how to tackle... what makes you so sure that they'll suddenly learn how to teach tackling next year?

He speaks the truth.

I think the developement of Allen and Fox will help shape the draft. I think Allen will be one of the starting ends next year, so if you draft another DE, would you look at starting a rookie and a second year man. At LB I think Fox is going to be something special, you have Fujita who is fast and Fox who is faster. I would like to see Mitchell live up to his immense potential, but that goes for more than just a couple of current young Chiefs. Beisel is a good player, tough and old school. I think we are set a safety, with Woods and Wesley, youngsters Harts and Pile. To me, we need a CB who will stick you at the line, and then be inside your jock all the way to the locker room. Overall I agree that we need to go "D", look for speed, speed, speed and as much nasty as you can fit into the speed. GO CHIEFS.

That would be a RADICAL improvement. Hartwell and Fujita, we all know about. Brooks would be the only question mark.... but he does have size (6'4", ~240-250#) and speed (4.6). He's scary fast for that build. Plus, he can TACKLE. IMO that's what we need more than anything else: players who can TACKLE on defense.

I think him spending more time with Gunther and maybe learning from Mas will make him a good MLB.

Yeah, but still, I know there are some guys who are talents, but there aren't many corners that immediately jump into the NFL and play at the level that I think most of us hope to see in the secondary....

Hasn't worked through 14 games this season, I doubt it will happen next season. I certainly wouldn't take that risk.

But what do I know? Our coaching staff thought it best to start a converted DE at MLB on opening day, so I obviously have no clue ;)

A rookie would be no worse than Bartee. IMO the odds are actually in favor of the rookie playing BETTER than "never turn my head, give up on plays" Bill. :grr:

Wait a minute, if Bartee actually turned his head, he might make a play and throw of his consistency. I agree, sometimes it is addition by subtraction.

Well I think the more time with gun that he will be a decent MLB.

PEOPLE PLEASE GET OVER MAZ HE IS DONE

It would be an improvement without a doubt, but I think you'd have an even bigger improvement with a veteran and a rookie. At this point I don't care how the improvement gets done or if some 1st round draft pick has to start his first year as a nickel corner, if it makes the team better and gives us a shot to win the Super Bowl next year it needs to be done.

maz is a good leader, but he's too slow imo.

need more pure talent at the position.

Maz was one hell of a special teams player but to be 100% honest he never did anything at MLB. He was OK and held his own. We at the planet go gaga over players who come from nothing to make it in the NFL. Face it Maz was never a good NFL MLB.

Mitchell has only started 10 games at MLB this year. The last 5 he's shown much improvement. IMO he's starting to get it .As far as Beisel starting the season at MLB that was due in large part ot Mitchell being injured during training camp. IMO it's to early to give up on Mitchell as our starting MLB.


PhilFree :arrow:

I agree, but I'd still go after Hartwell.

Last two years:

9-0 with healthy Maz

10-12 without healthy Maz

Read 'em and weep. Puts flame-reerunant suit on :)

do i remember correctly that monty B did fairly well when he did start? or is that just me?

heh, no doubt. I don't see why people think that.

i dunno if anybody here remembers him...

some guy named scanlon (cant remember first name) played pretty well in the preseason. isn't he a LB on the practice squad?

Whatever. Like the offense didn't have anything to do with.

Newsflash our Defense sucked when we were 9-0 last year

I know, it could just be a coincedence, but don't forget that Maz made a lot of the adjustments and calls at the line.... yardage-wise there wasn't a ton of difference but in terms of points and turnovers, there was a sharp difference from Maz and when Kawika stepped in. We had something like 27 turnovers in the first 9 games and 8 in the final 8... and more importantly just about every time the defense was forced to have to step up in the 4th quarter during that 9-0 stretch (Baltimore, Denver, Green Bay, Oakland), the defense got it done. Since Maz went out there have been very few times where the defense has had to make a stop and succeeded. Honestly I do believe Maz played most of that Cincy game but considering he didn't play after that he was obviously playing hurt and even then the defense didn't get completely annihilated like it did by Denver/Minnesota/Indy at the end of the year... I don't even think Maz was all world but it's pretty obvious he was the brains of the defense.

Good question. I read on this forum a couple guys really like him. I think they get aroused at the mention of his name even.

I agree with you that a FA MLB and then by drafting a corner is an option but I couldn't disagree more with the notion of Kawika being able to handle it at MLB.

That guy is one of the biggest trash players I've ever seen.

While Defensive End would hurt, I just feel we need a high quality corner in the worse kind of way.

Maz was the sole cause why we were 9-0 with him. Ok..........

Hey what about FS Donte Nickolson in the 2nd round from Oklahoma ?

Another thing does anybody know anything about a WR named Troy Williamson from South Carolina ?

Is he any good, will he declare for the draft ? Is he fast ?

Cause one mock draft has us taking him.

Anybody know anything on Pac-Man Jones from West Virginia ?

There are alot of questions on some players in the draft I wouldnt mind having.

Only that he has THE coolest name in the history of the world.

Don't let the Roys see this post.

But does anybody know anything about Donte Nickolson ??????????

WTF is going on here!?!?!

im asking does anybody know anything about some of these guys in the draft, they say this donte nickolson is a poor mans roy williams so im trying to figure out some stuff on him.

How tall do you think Donte Nickolson is? I'd say 5'11".

Actually the guy is 6'2" 216 lbs and runs a 4.48

I love it when someone posts how fast someone is. Or the NFL around draft day states it. The real question....is the guy talented? I mean who cares how fast he can run if he hesitates on how to react to a play. And how much football smarts he has. A guy can be a poster child for his physical looks on any position. But can he play it?

Here's what I found on that Free Safety named Donte Nickolson from Oklahoma :

Donte Nicholson

College: Oklahoma
Height: 6-2
Weight: 216
Position: Safety
Class: Senior
40-Yard: 4.48

SCOUTING REPORT
Strengths: Great size...Good athlete...Very physical, tough and aggressive...An intimidating presence...Great tackler...A force against the run...A playmaker.

Weaknesses: Only decent speed and could struggle in coverage at the pro level...Can be too aggressive at times...Needs to work on his technique.

Notes: A poor man's Roy Williams...Should be one of the first safeties off the board and be able to make an impact early in his pro career.

Another guy I was looking at, is this guy, this is who the NFL Draft Countdown has us projected to draft in the 2nd round :

Troy Williamson

College: South Carolina
Height: 6-2
Weight: 200
Position: Wide Receiver
Class: Junior
40-Yard: 4.4

SCOUTING REPORT
Strengths: Excellent speed...Good size...Very good production...Good athletic ability...Explosive...A big play threat who can really stretch the field.

Weaknesses: Needs to expand his game to be more than just a deep threat...Played in a run orientated offense...Has had some minor injuries so durability could be a minor concern.

Notes: Underrated player who has been one of the most productive wideouts in the SEC...Could thrive as a senior in Steve Spurrier's offense if he returns to school.

The First step in solving the problem is a realistic assessment.

Too many people here have developed affection for certain players and ignore the fact that they've been here 3 years and we have not yet escaped the bottom 10 in defense.

Defensive Line:

Actually....we haven't been too bad here. Not dominant, but we aren't getting blown off the line like in years past. Where we have room for improvement is a true pass rusher that scares offenses. To be honest, you do not NEED such a player to field a good defense, look at the Redskins as an example. Furthermore, Jared Allen could be such a player with more weight room work.

Linebacker:

Lets face it, our Linebackers are HORRIBLE. Fujita is the only acceptable starter. Mitchell has good workout numbers but poor instincts. Who knows how he will turn out. Will Maz come back? Again, that is anyone's guess. How effective will Shawn Barber be...again...who knows? Caver is, at best, a marginal backup. Keyaron Fox is another question mark. But, if this team is to compete next year, we cannot afford to simply pray we will get production.

Secondary:

Almost as bad as the linebackers. We have a crying need for a corner. The only way to be SURE we can get someone is to both bring in a veteran AND spend a high draft pick. Even so, we tried that in '03 and it didn't work (McCleon and Battle).

This year we need to go after a veteran with a better pedigree and a higher draft pick. Woods has also performed poorly at safety. I do not think we should simply trust he will improve next season.


BOTTOM LINE:

We need to bring in at LEAST 5 quality defensive players next season. Four veterans and one high draft pick. That means two linebackers and three players in the secondary. This equation changes if you could bring a prime pass rusher like John Abraham into the fold. Then you might skimp on the secondary (sign one veteran corner) and shore up the linebackers.

At best KC will add three starters. Hopefully one is one of the stud defensive ends in free agency.

I would love to have Ahmad Brooks from Virginia in round 1 and Donte Nickolson from Oklahoma in the 2nd round.

I say we Get Brooks,Rolle,or Derick J in the first then a DE in the second.

I take that back.I say we get a safty in the second.

Hey dude can you tell me anything about Donte Nickolson if your a Oklahoma fan ?

All I know is if we take another friggin Safety in the draft, I am going to have a spontaneous embolism.

Don't worry. We'll convert him to a CB so it will be like drafting a CB.

We need to spend the most $ on a CB. I am not sure who will be there. If we would have added Tory James or Antoine Winfield in the past couple years our D would be much better today.

Next we need help with 2 LB's. Allen will hopefully step up and start at DE.

We then need to address CB, LB and D Line in the draft for depth and the future.

My biggest fear heading into this season was how the D ended up performing. I am still pi**ed that we didn't spend the entire cap ammt with such glaring needs.

I think Lamar felt like he spent $ on Green and Holmes the prior year and when he heard Gunther tell him he could take the same players G Rob had and make it a decent D (out of pride) he didn't sign anyone significant other than Dalton.

ROFL You must be a graduate of the Carl Peterson School of NFL Defensive Personnel Drafting. ROFL

All I know is that we need a new FS and i would love to have Donte Nickolson and cut Woods and keep Harts as a backup, Wesley should be much better next year considering the fact that he played in GROB's system for 3 years and corrupted his brain with all that stuff they was having him do.

The position the chiefs need to address is CB, FS, DE, MLB, and OLB in the draft and free agency and I hope we get a good CB and draft a FS in the 2nd round of that guy I was hyping.

I am convinced they should go for the right defensive end if he has explosive burst off the line. Monster pass rushers on both sides would stop all the long passes and bootlegs.

Draft rounds:

1) RDE
2) Corner
3) OLB
4) Punter/Kicker

We don't need another safety. We have 9 of them now. We don't need to try to convert a safety to corner. We keed hoping that works and have proven it doesn't.

If all else fails then get 4 quarterbacks in a row from Frisco. That last plan can't miss.

Erasmus James out of Wisconsin. I hope he's available at the 18th pick. What a monster pass rusher.

We may have 9 safeties, but every last one of them sucks...

Hard to argue with that but...We haven't proven that Battle sucks at safety yet. Doesn't mean he won't suck. Just means he hasn't proven it yet.

Hey I thought the logical progression was like this:
Tight Ends convert to Defensive Ends.
Safeties convert to linebackers.
Corners convert to safeties.

You drop the player down to the next easiest position because he will have good speed for that spot. Why are we moving safeties to corner spots? Cuz we are desperate to get a good corner but don't want to pay for one.

I feel strongly that the Chiefs single biggest need for next year is MLB, but with that said I doubt there is anyone in the draft that can fill that need as a rookie. Thus, the Chiefs need to find the MLB in free agency.

The Chiefs also need a CB and DE next year with CB being the bigger need. Unlike MLB I think talented CB's and DE's can make big impacts as rookies. My preference is the Chiefs use the draft to improve the CB position and free agency for MLB.

I am willng to be patient with DE because I believe in Wilkerson and Allen. But, if the team wants to obtain another DE I hope they do it through the draft not free agency. Please, no more Vonnie Holliday's.

Why not draft Donte Nickolson in the 2nd round, from what i've heard that guy is gonna be a stud.

Defensive Ends we need to consider drafting :

DE Erasmus James, Wisconsin, 6-4 263, 4.75 in 40
DE Mathias Kiwanuka, Boston College, 6-7 261, 4.6 in 40 (updated mock draft has us taking him)
DE David Pollack, Georgia, 6-3 261, 4.7 in 40
DE Dan Cody, Oklahoma, 6-5 270, 4.75 in 40
DE Justin Tuck, Notre Dame, 6-5 261, 4.56 in 40
DE Matt Roth, Iowa, 6-4 275, 4.75 in 40

And a safety they have us taking in the 2nd round on that Mock draft is another safety from Oklahoma named Brodney Pool. I dont know if he is any good or not hopefully some of you do.

I heard that the Bost. Coll. guy is shooting up. I doubt we get him.

Pollack or Erasmus for us ......Hopefully.

Those guys do go fast in the draft.

Well on that mock draft Erasumus went with the 8th pick and Mathias went to us on the 18th pick, and Pollack didnt even go until around 23-25.

Don't believe the mocks.

Those Dends and Dtackles go FAST.

No teams talk them up and then poof. GONE.

I agree just think if he's there we definately need to take him.