A Question for all that want DE with 1st pick
 

I must be missing something and need enlightenment. I think Allen starts and Holliday will be gone. And didn't we just sign Hicks? The coaches love him. Believe me, I would love to draft stud DE first, but do you think they will bench Hicks? Or even bench Allen, who will most likely break DT's sack record? I guess I just don't see the coaches doing that. But alot of people are thinking DE, so enlighten me please.

RDE is where they want us to go. Replace Hicks with a more aggressive pass-rusher.

Heck, we could have done that THIS year... instead of resigning Hicks we could have kept Truluck.

Uh - Hicks blows?

Does that answer your question?

Hicks needs to be replaced, period.

But alas, you're probably right. The coaching staff cares more about warm fuzzies than wins...

At a minimum, Holliday must be replaced as part of the normal rotation. That means a DE in the 1st or 2nd round (unless we get one in free agency).

Given where we may be drafting now, DE may be the best value on the board (or it could be CB). Erasmus James or Spears might be on the board when we draft. Of course Carlos Rogers or the CB from Michigan may be as well.

In a nutshell, we need to get 2 CBs, 2 LBs, and 1 DE in Free Agency and the 1st 2 rounds of the draft. Which happens where is really irrelavent to me.

Allen has RDE locked up and Hicks probably has LDE locked up to start the season but the way we rotate linemen we could draft a DE who has more pass rush then Hicks and play him on 3rd downs until he's ready to start. IMO our biggest problem is 3rd down. If we could improve our 3rd down pass rush it should help our D a bunch.

PhilFree :arrow:

Hicks does blow. But why would they re-sign him? I was hoping they wouldn't. If he is cap friendly to cut, then maybe they will draft a DE. I just think the coaches love him way too much to bench him, even more so now since he just signed a new contract. Mistake? What mistake? He's the one with the motor always running. It just seems to be stuck in park.

IMO this team has done a lot of shitting in one hand and wishing in the other, when it comes to personnel on D and at WR.

It's pretty obvious which hand filled up first....

I am holding out hope that Wilkerson will step up and develop into a starter. He has shown some pass rush ability (at least more than Hicks, IMO). But I think we just need to draft the best defensive player available, as long as it's not another DT.

Hicks is one of Gunther's guys, so regardless of how much he blows, we should probably get prepared for another season with him as our starter.

Aw shit.... that means we'll have Woods, Wesley and Bartee starting next year as well.

I think he's more of a DV pet than a Gunther guy. I don't remember Gunther ever having pets in his earlier tenure that he stuck with after they became unproductive.

I'd almost put money down that Wesley and Harts will be our starters next season. I don't think that even Gunther can justify keeping Woods around for another season.

Considering that Bartee has even received negative press on the Chiefs official website, I don't expect him to be around.

I've advocated taking a DE with the 1st round pick for the following reasons:

1. There aren't many highly rated MLB's in the draft.
2. There are several MLB's available in free agency, who I would hope KC would pursue.
3. I'm of the opinion that in a 4-3 defense, the most important part of the D is the DL. It begins with them - they need to stop the run and generate a pass rush on their own.
4. If the front 4 could generate a decent pass rush by themselves, Gunther wouldn't have to employ his wild blitz packages as often, which often lead to very large gains. (High risk, high reward).
5. I'm still not convinced the Chiefs Run D is as good as some people think. IMO, it looks okay because of teams passing so much b/c the DB's are atrocious and opposing teams have to keep up with the high scoring O. They are 28th in yards per carry.
6. If the NFL is going to continue enforcing the no contact rule with CB's it is all the more important to pressure the QB as quickly as possible with a speed rusher.
7. A derivative of #6, CB's aren't allowed to do anything why spend top dollar on them. A lot of teams with big name corners are on the bottom of the stat page for pass defense.


That's why I'd go with a DE. It doesn't mean that DV would see things the same way and give a Pollack a chance, but I'm hoping DV completely 100% hands control over D and personnel of the D to Gunther. I think Gunther would be more inclined to pull a player even if it was one of his favorites.

I sincerely hope that Siavii develops or something.

Both Sims and Dalton are serviceable, but neither of them pushes the other "over the top" the way Henderson did with Stroud in Jax...

Yep.

Yepper.

Yep.

Again, yep.

Once more, yep.

If Hicks has anything at all locked up especially a starting job then our coaching staff is dumber than a bag of hammers.

I hate the argument that people are using against taking a CB with our first pick, just because of the "new rules." If you saw the play that Chump Bailey made against Kennison when it was 3rd and about 10, Kennison caught an 8 yard pass on a crossing pattern and looked to have an easy first down, but Bailey tackled him immediately before he could turn it upfield, that was an example of what a "very good" CB can do for a defense. And I haven't seen many more defensive holding calls made this year, due to the "new rules."

On the other hand, the biggest thing I see refs calling now is "Roughing the QB", and in most cases, it's a joke. But you wouldn't say that we shouldn't take a DE with our first pick just because of the way the refs are calling roughing the passer, so similarly, I wouldn't dismiss the idea of taking a CB either.

I want a OLB with our first pick.

We are going to have a second year anchoring the LDE side. I'd like to have a veteran on the other side. Preferably not Eric Hicks, but I guess I could live with him.

Here is a question: If teams start to double team Jared Allen, will it open up more of a pass rush for our DT's and Eric Hicks?

As far as getting a more aggressive pass rusher, I'm more concerned with run support out of the DE position, as I think Jared Allen will be our pass rusher.

Saulbadguy,

Please shrink your sig.

So many hole, so few picks...
 

Surprised if not shocked....What wouldn't shock me would be a WR is Mike Williams or Braylon Edwards were available...That would probably get a big uproar out of many. :D

I could live with that...
 

We really do need a quality #1 WR but this year again proved we can get by without it more so than getting by without plugging the defensive holes.

Had they taken Kerry Colbert in the 2nd round instead of Wilson we would have been dial in on offense and could have spent all of our picks and focus on defense. If's and but's are ok this time of year cause there is candy and nuts all over my house at the moment.

The Chiefs need a CB, a MLB, an OLB if Barber can not return to form and another DE to eventually take over for Hicks. I don't care where they get them from, but I think the 1st rounder should be a MLB. That way, Woods and Wesley won't have to play LB too(like they have been doing all year).

I really would like a stronger DE from the draft. But then we'd be wasting the money on that 7 year contract for Hicks more than we already are. If they can figure out a way to get around that contract I'd love Erasmus James or that guy from Boston College, Kiwikiwaka.

Its not that big. Unless you are running at 640x480.

Thats the only offensive player i'd draft in the first round. Any other offensive position drafted in the first round would be a waste, IMO.

if you guys go DE in the first round who do you guys all mutually would like if you guys had to come up with one guy....us we are going DE in our first pick as well (thats the collective opinion) and we really like spears and i think we should be able to get him since the Giants still are sucking nuts...whose ur main guy?

Narrow minds...
 

Heh...funny guy...
 

ok Gaz who do u like at DE coming out that u guys can pick up? Im hearing its one of the most talented positions coming out

I don't really know what that means. Is there some adjustment I can make on my computer to shrink your sig? Right now it is excessively wide.

Wait for it...
 

Plus we drafted Jimmy Wilkerson a few years ago.

I know what your saying Gaz.But I do know who I think we shoukd Draft and Sign.I think we should let Barber go and sign Derick J.I do belive Kawika will get better in the off season so im not to worried about him.Then I say we sign a CB in the off-season.And I think we are set.And maybe a WR but thats not at the top of my list.

Gaz: ok saying that u want to just improve the defense...one question on that...who would u want to change, meaning which players would u want to replace?

So if an Ed Reed type is available when we pick, you would prefer we passed?

I don't think that was their original plan. The plan was to have Grant Wistrom come in and sign him, and Seattle knew this... so when he made that first visit to Seattle before coming to KC, Seattle offered him a ridiculous contract that he knew he couldn't turn down, and we lost out. Hicks went and visited with Arizona, then came back and we signed him.

IMO, right after the bowl games is the best time to settle on a player. After that time too much emphasis is put on combine numbers and inflated workout numbers and fake numbers being thrown about.

You guys are gonna shit bricks when we take an Offensive Left Tackle with the first pick.
ROFL

:thumb: No doubt!

NO

As far as I'm concerned, NO position on defense should be exempt...

My toughts exactly. Except for maybe a DT. I might frown a bit if we select another DT early.

Not me.

Depending on what we do in free agency, it might not be a bad idea at all.

Check the resolution you are running at. Right click on your desktop, properties, settings.

Luckily for the Chiefs we have so many needs taking the best defensive player on the board at the time isn't a bad idea. The FO should definately be open to the possibility of trading up though. Hopefully somewhere in the bevy of picks that we have Carl will stumble upon another Jared Allen. Defensive Rookie of the Year IMO.

I think our draft needs are as followed:
DE
WR
OT

Draft is for future, helping out right away is a bonus. Our OL is getting old at tackle. OL would be a good choice. I think we get a MLB and #1 CB and Nickelback in free agency, our defense will be fine with a lineup of:
DE Allen
DT Sims
DT Dalton
DE Hicks
LB Fujitia
LB FA
LB Barber
CB FA
CB Warfield
SS Wesley
FS Woods

Yeah, that's it, instead of shrinking your signature you want to make everybody change their resolution. Jerk. :)

ROFL Well, he is Saulbadguy.

ITA.

We need to draft a stud pass rusher and then try to sign a decent FA corner and draft a LB in 2nd. (If there any good pass rushers at our spot in the draft.)

Drafting a corner would be a bad idea IMO. I don't care how good they are in college, they will struggle at this level for a year or two at least. After next year the window slams shut.

Pollack or Erasumus from wisconsin ?

The Boston College guys stock may be moving up.

Do you think any of them are capable of 10 sacks in their rookie year?

Why should we draft another pass rusher? We already have one, IMO. I don't want a rookie on one end, and a 2nd year veteran on the other.

Because it is one of the positions in which a rookie (if he is talented) can step right in and contribute immediately, which is what we need. Plus, if you can generate a very good pass rush from both end positions, it allows you blitz less often which allows you to cover the field better, which makes you a better D.

True, but so can a LB or CB. We have a "pass rushing DE" in Jared Allen. I believe having him will open up more opportunties for our DT's and the other DE to get more pressure on the QB. Hell, its already happening. The last few games i've been watching, our D-Line is performing fairly well, and they are getting pressure.

Our LB's however..when they are sent on a blitz, they don't do shit. They get caught up behind our D-line, or just get blocked out. Our LB's totally suck.

I agree. But as I said in my previous post, DE is one the few positions in which a rookie can contribute right away. I do not recommend drafting a rookie corner and starting him in a year that is supposed to be SB or bust.

If you want to draft a MLB, I'd be fine with that, but we had better also sign a pass rusher. Hicks' lack of production has killed this D the last couple of years.

We need a new start at DE, MLB and CB. If Carl can come up with legit play makers at each of those positions (tall order) then we at least have a fighting chance.

Great D ALWAYS starts with the a good/great pass rush from both end positions. It makes a CB's life MUCH easier, they won't have to cover for so long.

See DT/Neil Smith.

I agree with that sentiment, that DE is one of the few positions that will contribute. However, so is a LB, and a WR. I wouldn't be upset with a CB either, but with the "new" rules and all, we might be better off signing a veteran CB.

Draft a MLB? Hell no. There are none worth taking in the 1st round. We'd just be drafting another 2nd round MLB. Lets see if Maslowski can come back, and see how Kawika Mitchell and Monty Beisel progress. I wouldn't object to signing a MLB either.

Derrick Thomas was a LB, that was often rushing the QB in the 3-4.

We aren't running a 3-4.

I wouldn't mind taking a flier on Maz as long as we can get new studs at CB and DE.

That's true. But often he played as DE.

The bottom line is the same. Two pass rushers are better than one and can camoflage a shitty secondary.

I'm just saying, I think we have a pretty good pass rush out of our D-Line now. I wouldn't mind getting another veteran DE, but I don't think i'd like to draft one, at least in the first round.

Our LB's arent picking up the sack when our d-line does get a good pass rush off. The QB just steps up in the pocket past it, and our LB's sit there with their thumbs up their collective asses.

I don't think the last couple of games are indicative of the season for our D-line. Hicks hasn't played very well for the last 3 seasons. I know he's a sentimental character guy. But his performance doesn't justify his starting position. We desperately need to get a play maker in his spot.

They should keep Hicks, but let him be a backup. The performance of the D would dramatically improve by getting a decent player at his spot.

I agree. Sign me up fro the Abraham camp if he becomes
available. Hicks gives it his all, but his all isn't good enough.

If we can't draft a stud, I'd like to see this scenario as well. But can or will Carl pull it off?!

Erasmus James is capable of 10 sacks in his first game.

I guess I am going to have to look this guy up.

The dude will be gone by the time we pick

Oh and by the way the new mock draft on NFL Countdown has us taking a Safety from Oklahoma in the 2nd round named Brodney Pool, the dude is tall, he is 6'4" and weight 228 lbs.

Maybe we can trade up as we did for Tony G.

I know it's rare, but Carl has actually traded up in the past.

Wouldnt this lineup look awesome on defense :

LDE Mathias Kiwanuka
LDT Ryan Sims
RDT Junior Siavii
RDE Jared Allen
LLB Scott Fujita
MLB Edgerton Hartwell
RLB Keyaron Fox
LCB Charles Woodson
RCB Eric Warfield
FS Brodney Pool
SS Greg Wesley

All though we could find someone better to start in place of Barber instead of Fox, but I think I would love to see Fox starting next year even though i havent seen anything of him.