Mile High Mania - Got a Question For You...
We went at it pretty much during the offseason about the Portis - Bailey trade. Wondering who you think got the better end of the deal now? IMO, the early returns favor Washington as Bailey didn't exactly do what he was brought to Denver to do, especially in the playoffs against the Colts. Also, IMO, your defense is NOT better with him, but there are many factors that went into that so that argument is a push.
However, IF Tatum Bell ever amounts to anything, you might indeed get the last laugh. Right now though, I have to laugh at Bailey as he really was tourched a lot over the 2nd half of the season and especially since he got put on his A$$ today by a Colt's "soft" WR. Classic! ROFL |
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It was a great trade for Washington, and imagine if they get a average line for him to run behind.. he could get 2000 easy.. thats a big if though... bailey was above average at best, sure he got to the probowl.. but he is not the shut down corner as advertised.. tatum as long as he can stay healthy will be a good back.. it is kinda a push for both teams.. if anything washington got a better deal but only by 51/52-------------49/48%... ----------------- if you go by taco's standards when they got him, it was a miserable failure.. taco said they would have the top defense in the nfl up from their 3rd ranking a year ago.. and they could shut down indy and other teams that have top tier WR's.. in that since bailey was a failure because he got abused a good 4-8 times this year depending on who you talk too... remember taco told us he would make everybody else better... |
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I feel as you do regarding the trade in that based on the early returns, Washington got the better end of the deal. I told MHM that I'd wait until the season ended for my final opinion on the subject this year and it hasn't changed since day one of the trade. |
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ROFL Did he say "Bank on it"? |
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TEX... at the end of the season where was Denver and where was Washington? Portis is a game breaking back, but you'll notice that Droughns and Portis finished side by side in the RB standings essentially.
Also, look where Denver as a team ranked rushing this season. Yes, Portis is a game breaker, but Denver still had one of the top rushing games. Bailey got burned a couple of times and aside from "the block", he took Harrison out of the game. It's just too bad for Denver that Indy has 27 other offensive weapons. Denver's defense had one issue - the pass rush. They had some guys step up, but the pass rush took a hit with Pryce. Late in the season, the secondary lost a few players, hence the reason why a rookie was getting burned all day yesterday. Denver received Bailey and Bell for Portis. Denver still had a top running game and Bailey did improve the defense, despite what yesterday looked like. |
Right now I'd say Denver came out pretty well. I wasn't convinced that they could plug any back in there and still be as explosive as they were with Portis. They are OK with Droughns but Bell sure seems like the real deal to me. Time will tell, though.
Bailey improved their secondary. Walls going down was a big loss for them. without him, it didn't matter that Bailey was on the field, they would just throw away from him (see latest Bronco game). Pryce's injury hurt as well. Any Chief fan should know that a secondary won't do squat without a pass rush. While pryce wasn't necessarily a dominat rusher, he certainly commanded double-teaming at times. I'd say Denver came out ahead. Nest year it will be more glaring I think. |
donkhater... you're the first KC fan to type something so well written. :thumb:
Seriously though, neither team reached their desired results. Portis played on a team with no o-line, an old QB and issues at TE and receiver - for a coach trying to find his way again. Denver... I dunno, everyone likes to point at Plummer, but it's still the defense to me that is most worrisome. They have some nice players. They always seem to have nice players, but I like this group better than most they've thrown out there since 1999. Yet, I see guys like O'Neal and James go other places and finally produce. It really boggles my mind that O'Neal did well in Cincy. Denver's defense hasn't produced turnovers since the GRob error... that perplexes me. I think they've patchworked the D-line the last few years, focusing heavily this year on LB and secondary. They need some young, big forces on the D-Line. I'm fine with the offense... aside from TE. Bring back Jake. Sign a FA TE like Randy McMichael... keep the cheating oline in tact and focus on the Dline. And, draft any playmaker from Miami or USC. |
I thought Denver got the better of the deal. Although, I think they overpaid for Champ.
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Denver needs to focus on the pass rush and TE, in my opinion. Jake had a fine season and knows the offense well. It appears the players like him and I think there's a lot to be said about that.
Last year, Sharpe was his main target. Lelie was slowly getting his grips on the offense with his new QB. This year, Rod and Lelie had fine seasons. Luke and Watts show great potential as other weapons... Putzier has looked good at times, but he's not consistent enough, nor the game breaking TE that I'd like to see in this offense. Take it as excuses if you like, but those are the two areas of concern to me. |
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On Defense they need a DLine. And they have to get it via the draft IMO, to expensive to buy in FA, but hey its Denver they don't have a cap..... lol The one thing that could go wrong in Denver is the Rat. He has been there 10 years and I think his time has come, both he and the team need a change. I also think Rat would love to go rebuild a team like San Fran. |
I will tell you about Mile High Mania/Magic. Its gone. You guys destroyed the magic when you destroyed the stadium.
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I understand the notion of him going to San Fran, but I've read their cap is a mess the next year or two and I can't see York being an owner to do the things required to win. But, who knows? |
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But, are you denying that the mystique of Arrowhead isn't what it once was? I was there for the Denver game, I understand how crazy the fans were... but, is it having it's affect on the other team? What was the home record again and how many .500 teams (or below) won there this season? |
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It's still alive,,we just don't show it to donkey lovers.ROFL |
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This year it was bad. Last year it was good. I'm betting that if you took the overall CHIEFS winning % at ARROWHEAD and compared it around the league, it would still be one of the hardest places for opponents to win. |
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KC only scored 20 @ the Saints, another defense they should have shredded and the KC defense only allowed 27. |
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Look how many boring azz donkey threads are on this chiefs board. Am I on the Planet or outerspace? And aren't you donkey fans lucky that we let you spill your crap on this board. Unlike the mane,,you even mention something neg about the donkey's and they cry to the mods and you are banned.
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Just part of the offseason, IT GETS VERY BORING !!!!!
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2002 KC was 6-2 (swept by DEN) DEN was 5-3 2003 KC was 8-0 DEN was 6-2 2004 KC was 4-4 DEN was 6-2 That's as far as I could view from NFL.com - just the last 3. So, in the last 3 years, DEN is the only one of the two to win in the other team's house. Overall the last 3 seasons, KC is 18-6 at home and DEN is 17-7 at home. |
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Don't you have your own board to spout this crap on?
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Wait until FA starts, then the draft. Shit really hits the fan then. |
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omg,,you live in texas,,what city,town, tell me it is nowhere near Dallas. |
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So I know you don't live anywhere near me,,and don't flatter yorself,,what you think I am gonna do? Hop in the truck and come over. I have better things to do then stalk a donkey fan. :rolleyes: Just curious as to where you lived in Texas,,but if it is a secret oh well.:harumph:
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You said no fears dammit it..sounds like you are pretty close to me. Would you by chance live close to Rockwall?
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Well okay then,,I guess I can share the great state of texas with you. Can I ask how you became a bronco fan? And do you follow the dallas stars? |
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I would think the trade was pretty much a push. Washington didn't really had a chance to use him properly, since they don't have much of a O-Line since Jan Jansen went down w/ the injury.
As for Denver, they did quite well w/o Portis for a year, but the RBBC won't work very well. They'll be needing Bell to step it up for the '05 season. But Champ didn't really do much to help the Broncos get past the first round, which most people thought that would be the missing piece of the puzzle. |
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But at the end, many people, including I, thought Washington would be decent than the year before. They are, defensively, just their offense was killing them. And I would had figured that Denver would be challenging the AFC West along with Kansas City at the beginning of the season, but the Chiefs just blew their wad short of their "destinated" target. Denver was in the running until the loss in SD really hurted them. I'd like to kinda consider a few of Denver's last games during the season as somewhat identical to the Chiefs 2003 last games of the season. |
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Shit just happens at the wrong times now and then. Depth should always be a concern... but on the Dline, I like a lot of those guys "as depth". They should look at DE and DT via FA if the money is right. I like Putzier as the #2 and/or primary blocking TE, and I'd love to see a guy like McMichael signed in FA. |
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So now it was 14-0 and all Peyton was about to break loose. On third and six from Denver's 35, Jake Plummer threw a pass no more than 10 yards over his receiver's head. The Colts' Mike Doss intercepted it. The rout was on. In other words, I don't think it's all about the mental phase of the team, it's also the playcalling and decision-making process by the coaching staff. |
Coach, all very true. But, down 7 ... I still say punt. I was also against the 2 onside kicks. You just don't give Indy half the field under any situation.
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"I felt that Denver should have risked going for a fourth and one at his 41 after Denver fell behind 7-0 if I was the HC."
Hell no....you punt that ball six days a week and twice on Sunday. That kind of despairation would be terrible at that point in the game. |
"So now it was 14-0 and all Peyton was about to break loose. On third and six from Denver's 35, Jake Plummer threw a pass no more than 10 yards over his receiver's head. The Colts' Mike Doss intercepted it. The rout was on."
We took the ball away on the next series in the endzone. |
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I guess the old coach I used to play for awhile back once said something like: "When you're on offense, you gotta score. When you're on defense, you gotta score. When you're on special teams, you gotta score. And when in doubt, you just gotta score." Even if you punted it, the Colts were going to score again, regardless of what you do. |
The Broncos suck because Shanahan is a neurotic.
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whatever,,
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This is your first warning... |
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Comparing "who got the best" of the offseason trade by position is only part of the story. Comparing a immature malcontent against a seasoned shut-down corner is easy. ---> |
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BTW, who replaced him ;) ---> |
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