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It is being discussed elsewhere that St. John on 810 this morning said there were issues with Trotter's physical given by KC? Any truth to this from anyone who listens to the show?

Just tuned in.

Lamenting about Gay-U right now.

I'm listening, but didn't hear that.

It might make sense.......beings that Every NFL team that looked at him was nervous about his knee last season.

Hartwell would sure look nice in Red.

Yeah, the tiggers did suck quite a bit of ass last night :D

the issue with his physical popped up when Trotter mentioned he wouldn't play for free....

I didn't catch that, but I was listening more to DA than Border Patrol today. Although they were both talking so much college BB that I wasn't listening closely.

Hartwell will also probably break the bank. John Clayton said he will be the most expensive LB so i'm not sure we can afford him. Also, with 16 teams supposedly interested in him, it could be a long process to get him signed.

I wanted the Chiefs to draft Hartwell in 2001. Dude is a stud and would be the perfect fit for our system. I like Trotter, but we can't afford a "maybe" status with his injuries...........

Well then it will happen then because CP knows how patient we fans are :rolleyes:

I can't argue with that. My Alma Mater sucks right now.

I can still hate Kansas though.

Yes but supposedly 16 other teams are interested in Hartwell. If he leaves here without a contract then we won't see him again.

But we will be able to afford his contract when compared to Hartwell....

Don't get me wrong, Trotter would be awesome, but it seems pretty obvious that Hartwell will get the bigger contract.

But Hartwell's contract may translate into more years with a slightly bigger signing bonus so that would equal out over the life of the contract for salary caps purposes...

If he truly wants to be a Chief, it shouldn't be an issue.

KC CAN"T use the "afford" excuse this year either. We've got 1 more shot at this thing and the FO can't worry about where we're going to be cap-wise in 3 years.

I think its pretty simple here:

If Gun wants Rolle, you find a way to get it done.

If Hartwell wants to be here, you find a way to get it done.

There is no "next year"; no "tommorrow".

I think that our chances of signing these guys drops significantly if they leave KC to visit other teams. They need to get these guys under contract TODAY and move forward from there.

Are the Chiefs folding after this season or something?

They should and they will.

Any contract over 4-years in length will have the bonus pro-rated as if it were a 4-year deal, due to the CBA expiring.

I agree with everything you say, but no matter what we all say this is still a business to Lamar and Carl. They want to get a really good player, but they also don't want to feel like they spent too much. Peterson will sign some free agents but i'm not sure if he will sign the most expensive guys. I would love Hartwell but i'm just not sold that CP will do whatever it takes to get him, and would rather sign Trotter because he will probably cost less.

Why should they?

Based on the signing bonus escalations coming in 2006, this team is probably going to look significantly different after 2005 anyway you cut it.

Players like Roaf, Shields, Holmes, Richardson etc. are not getting any younger.

You are already starting to "push it" in terms of this offense maintaining their production at their current level.

You have to do something agressive NOW, in order to make a run at this thing in 2005.

Are you going to take out 2nd and 3rd mortgages right now just because you want a better house before the sun blows up?

If I know for a FACT that the sun IS going to blow up does it matter?

We're dead anyway.

If KC's going to pony up jack, dont piss it away on an 'iffy' knee...there are other LB's out there.

This is the last year in our window of opportunity. Green will be 35, Holmes is coming off another injury-shortened season, Roaf, Shields, and Richardson are all over 34 (or will be by the end of '05). The one area of this team that is already, and HAS BEEN, SB-calibre is getting old. We must strike now, or scrap it and rebuild.

Personally, I think we blew it. Last year was the year and the FO sat on their hands.

I think 2003 was the year making this year their 'second' attempt with DV.

5 years. Teams can only pro rate bonuses 5 years from what I read.

Yes. What are we going to do? Wait 13 more years for a playoff win?

I heard Pete Prisco and Howard Balzer both say 4. So I don't know.

That being said, his point is still likely valid, because Hartwell would likely be a 4 or 5-year deal, while Trotter is more like a 2-year deal.

Well then there's no hope. Guess I'll start watching tennis.

Not to mention 35 more years for a SuperBowl Ring.

we "blew it" when Holliday/McCleon/Barber turned out to be busts...CP/Coaches, they all deserve credit for that

I'll be a fan 13 years from now playoff wins or not. Will you?

Has anybody heard suggestions about what these guys want? I'd be surprised if Trotter signed anywhere for 2 years. Happy if it was in KC, but surprised nonetheless.

Yes, indeed. The Pierce contract is done, so offer Hartwell a little bit more so that he can say he was the highest paid. Shouldn't be that difficult.

No, 2003 was the first time KC had been in the playoffs in what, six seasons? Last year was the best opportunity to patch the D and take the next step. Instead, we did shit and ended up in a familiar place: out of the playoffs.

Of course, our schedule was tougher last year :rolleyes:
It's all about the schedule, you know?

Yeah, it does matter. Sure the offense is going to look different in a few years. Does that automatically mean it's going to be worse? No.

If that's what it takes to fix a house that's missing half it's windows and roof? Yes.

No kidding, it's obvious that is what he wants. The longer we wait the higher the chances are that some knucklehead team will sign Bell to a huge contract just to get a big name player, therefore driving up the price for Hartwell even more. Let's get him signed today!

Actually, I have some inside info that 2003 was the year which is why they made the push in FA. Didnt turn out to fix the problem, and KC's doing the same thing this year, so I imagine it's yet another push.

Last offseason, Lamar didnt open up the checkbook...cant do much when the many says no.

You guys must be up to your eyeballs in debt.

I'm sorry, I don't subscribe to the "This is our last chance" crap. From what I hear around here, if Carl and Vermiel leave after this season, we should automatically be more successful.

That's our point.

There IS hope, but the Chiefs have to get agressive in FA this year and, to some extent, mortgage the future.

Carl has tried the "prudent" approach to FA for 16 years. For the most part, he hasn't mortgaged the future (1998 might be the exception)What has it gotten KC? A loss in the AFC Championship game?

I want to see the Chiefs get a ring so badly, I would endure a 3-13 or 4-12 season 2 years from now if that's what it takes.

This city and its fans DESERVE this. Its time to bring another Lombardi Trophy to KC.

Getting agressive to FA is (in my opinion) the ONLY way to get this defense up to snuff in order to win a Championship.

That's a dick vermeil excuse. Dick and Carl are the perfect combination for failure, one makes an excuse the other doesn't back it up.

that's why KC had 20m in dead cap money going into the 2001 season...

Nice, now you're trotting out the "we have no money" excuse. That one's my second favorite behind the "the schedule was tougher this year"

Where can I find a live stream on the net for KC radio? Is 810 the station to listen to?

I didnt 'trot' it out, Carl said it as well as DV...since I dont know or have access to their financial statements I have to take their word for it. Feel free to believe what you want.

[interrupting the regular scheduled broadcast of "Do the Chiefs Care About the Fans"]
So I guess there hasn't actually been a report about Trotter having problems with the physical?

This has been a total turd of a morning for KC sports talk.

So what happens if we "get aggressive" but still don't win the Superbowl?

There are no guarantees and no, the city and the fans don't deserve a Superbowl win. They are owed what they pay for, 8 football games.
I'd love to see the Chiefs win a Superbowl just as much as the next guy but I, in no way, think I deserve it. One sets themselves up for disappointment when they think that way.

And it only took two years to get 13 wins and a first round bye with a completely different team. Looks like "salary cap hell" can be a pretty short trip....

Sure you did... you posted it here as your justification for '03 being "the year", did you not? I know it was <i>their</i> excuse for wasting '04, not yours. Nice of you to bring it up though :D

They just started talking Chiefs again 10 minutes ago.

No mention of Trotter's physical or problems with it.

We still had dead cap space from Derrick Alexander up until last year, right?

Shhh... don't you know that FA is bad? Rufus told me.

Sorry for hijacking your thread.

Actually my justification for 03 being the year had more to do with a source close to Lanier. It had nothing to do with 04--YOU are the one that said 04 was the year...LOL...yeah, sure was close, wasnt it.

I think the Chiefs owe it to the fans to put the best team they can on the field. Have they done that? Absolutely not.

If we are going to have to rebuild anyway, I don't understand this line of thinking. We have to find a new QB in a year or 2, wide receivers, an offensive line along with getting a real defense.

Why not give the offense that has put up enormous numbers over the last 4 years the opportunity for a SB by getting stud defensive players even if we have to stretch the cap?

Following my genious (chiefsplanet spelling) Lexicon, a lot of it was luck.

Possibly, if he was cut after June 1, 2002 the second half of his remaining SB would have been allocated in '04.

Yeah, I did say '04 was the year.... the year where our "window of opportunity" was widest.

'03 we entered coming off a mediocre at best '02. We added a couple of vet FAs and the O kept on clicking. The D fell short in the playoff game. Add a couple of more players, and take the next step in <i><b>2004</b></i>. Thus, 2004 was <i>the</i> year. We knew we were just a couple of players and a DC short. Instead, we trot out a BS excuse, sit on our fucking thumbs, and FAIL. 2004 was a wasted season. Another year of great O, no D. Oh yeah, and an injured RB and older players. Nice.

If they don't win a SuperBowl, then at least they took there best shot at it. I could live with that much more than KC bringing in and signing 2nd tier free agents so we can go 8-8 again in 2008.

You can believe what you like, but I think after:

Stenerud missing three field goals in the '71 Christmas Day playoff game.

A phantom holding call on Szott and Lowery hitting the cross bar on a game winning field goal.

Joe Montana banging his head against the turf in Buffalo.

Steve Bono completing more passes to the Colts than to his receivers in '95.

Lin Elliot

Elvis Grbac holding his hands over his ear holes on the last drive of the '97 playoff game against Denver.

The TD called back on Gonzalez in the '97 playoff game.

The _efense not forcing a freaking punt against Indy in '03.

...this city and the FANS do DESERVE another Superbowl.

The Chiefs owe the fans 8 football games.
It's in their best interest to put the best team on the field because they run the risk of losing their customers if they don't.

I hope everyone remembers 2-3 years from now when we've got Rich Kotite for a head coach and we're going 3-13 how nice it was that we "got aggresive" in free agency and made an attempt to go for it all.

The Chiefs are going to get some players this offseason. Some fans will like them, some won't. Regardless of who we get, the chances of us not winning the Superbowl will be quite a bit less than the chances of us winning the Superbowl. Nothing will ever change that.

Exactly. I agree. Carl has failed miserably to do that. It showed last year when we standed pat. Let's face it Grob shoulda been gone 2 years ago, and, we failed there cause we kept him around. Along with that, re-signing all our scrubs on defense. There is nobody too blame except Carl and Dick. Their the reasons why we failed.

Don't forget Carl drafting Blackledge.

Nah, it's much <i>safer</i> to get a nice, cheap, 2nd/3rd tier FA in the latter stages of the FA period, and draft "reach", errr, "diamonds in the rough"-type players in the draft (because they're easier to sign). That way we can have a good cap number and be competitive. That's all we can ask for you know? Being competitive.


fuck that. If you never climb out on the limb, you'll never get the fruit.

Um, yeah.

Amen, brotha.

I believe!!

You know what?? It not like he didn't try to improve the defense, he did try, but, sucked majorly at it. What's killing us is ther huge contracts he dished out previously to Barber, McCleon, Holliday. Plus, re-signing all those scrubs, like Hicks, Woods, Bartee. It's no wonder why we are tied up in cap space.

That's easy to say when it's someone else's money and butt on the line.

Lamar? Clark? Is that you?

What's the difference between going 3-13, 7-9, 6-10, 8-8?

A high draft pick.

If you don't make the playoffs, I don't care what the record is.

Chiefs have had 2 playoff appearances since 1997 and just 1 top 10 pick in that time.

Why dish out more huge contracts if it's pretty much guaranteed that whoever we give them to will suck? I mean, it is Carl do the dishing.

And they managed to waste that one pick...*gah!*

Yeah, Carl Peterson's ass has been on the line for so long now. :rolleyes:

I really wish people would stop talking like Lamar Hunt ownes a local five & dime. He's a friggen billionaire.

Um, yeah.

lol, it's that chickenshit attitude that's kept this team out of the SB for 35 years :)

Yes, his livelyhood has been on the line. It's not his fault that Lamar Hunt favors him over randomly hiring and firing guys.
I never said anything about how much money Lamar Hunt has. It makes no difference how much he has. The difference is that if it was your money, you'd probably see the situation a little differently.

But, Carl's only in year 15 of his 5 year plan...how do we explain the other 20?

No seriously, are you on their payroll or something?

I can think of no other justification for your line of thinking from a fan's perspective.

Easy: Jack Steadman.

You'll have to talk to the team owner about that. I'd guess you'll have a hard time convincing him to change his line of thinking though seeing as it's his team and his money and he's free to do whatever he wants with it.

OMG! LOL....