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Gravedigger 04-07-2005 09:50 PM

Beisel signs with Patriots
 
http://www.chiefswarpath.com/home.htm

I'm sure someone else will report this. But hey I think this will open up a spot for a better LB in the first round now hopefully we can trade up for johnson.

Coach 04-07-2005 09:54 PM

http://patriots.bostonherald.com/blo...?archiveId=258

Beisel agrees to terms
The Patriots have agreed to terms with linebacker Monty Beisel on a two-year deal, according to sources. We're working on the story.

That's all I got for now.

BIG_DADDY 04-07-2005 09:55 PM

Oh what, now he wants a ring?

Phobia 04-07-2005 09:55 PM

Poor bastard is the only guy on their roster without a ring.

Lancetastic 04-07-2005 09:56 PM

David Terrell!?

Phobia 04-07-2005 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lancetastic
David Terrell!?

Work with me, dude. My jokes are better if you'll allow me a little lattitude.

jspchief 04-07-2005 09:58 PM

Can't say I'll miss him. He was good for LB depth, but certainly not starter material. He may fit NE's 3-4 a little better.

Frazod 04-07-2005 09:59 PM

Who cares?

Line Judge 04-07-2005 10:00 PM

Can we match their offer if we wanted to keep him?

Sure-Oz 04-07-2005 10:00 PM

Oh well, not a HUGE loss.

jspchief 04-07-2005 10:00 PM

No. He was unrestricted. He's gone.

Chiefnj 04-07-2005 10:01 PM

Talk about culture shock for a defensive player. Beisel is going to walk onto the practice field and wonder why the defensive players aren't waiting to tackle people downfield.

jettio 04-07-2005 10:04 PM

Romeo Crennel must have seen this one coming.

jspchief 04-07-2005 10:07 PM

Personally, I hope he flops.

Not because I have anything against Beisel. Just because I'm tired of hearing about "the Patriots way". It would be nice if all the guys they got on the cheap this year turned out to suck.

KCJake 04-07-2005 10:09 PM

Should we be sad that he's gone?

C-Mac 04-07-2005 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCJake
Should we be sad that he's gone?

Surely not :deevee:

tk13 04-07-2005 10:18 PM

Watch, he'll take Bruschi's spot and make the Pro Bowl this year. That'll be a lot of fun times on the board.

Mr. Flopnuts 04-07-2005 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13
Watch, he'll take Bruschi's spot and make the Pro Bowl this year. That'll be a lot of fun times on the board.


It is after all, the Patriots way.

Manila-Chief 04-07-2005 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCJake
Should we be sad that he's gone?

Kingless has already replaced him with the signing of 2 players this week. Both are suppose to be great on ST's ....

Archie Bunker 04-07-2005 10:22 PM

I was never a big Beisel fan but I valued his special teams play and versatility(sp?).

Lets hope the Chiefs have something up their sleeves at LB because they are incredibly thin.

OLB-Fox, Jones
MLB-Bell, Mitchell, Scanlon

Good lord that looks bad :(

Hammock Parties 04-07-2005 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archie Bunker
I was never a big Beisel fan but I valued his special teams play and versatility(sp?).

Lets hope the Chiefs have something up their sleeves at LB because they are incredibly thin.

OLB-Fox, Jones
MLB-Bell, Mitchell, Scanlon

Good lord that looks bad :(

I think Fujita will be back...

Joe Seahawk 04-07-2005 10:28 PM

The Chiefization of the Patriots begins..

The Bad Guy 04-07-2005 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj
Talk about culture shock for a defensive player. Beisel is going to walk onto the practice field and wonder why the defensive players aren't waiting to tackle people downfield.

The problem is Vermeil doesn't go live in his practices. There is zero tackling, no drills for tackling and the defense reflects it.

Biesel is going to walk onto a field and be shocked that the corners for the Patriots can turn their head.

beer bacon 04-07-2005 10:54 PM

Does this mean we have more money to actually sign a linebacker that could be a legit starter now?

Archie Bunker 04-07-2005 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beer baron
Does this mean we have more money to actually sign a linebacker that could be a legit starter now?

Maybe they get into the Sharper mix but I think he will price himself out of KC's consideration.

Available OLBs

Simmons UFA
Polley UFA
Holdman UFA
Navies UFA
Witherspoon RFA
Ayodele RFA
Thorton RFA

Available MLBs(For the move Bell outside crowd)
McKinnon
Morris
Calmus RFA
Wayne
Draft
Foreman
Duncan

Tribal Warfare 04-07-2005 11:05 PM

The Derrick Johnson option looks more promising if he's in the 9 to 11 range

Rocky 04-07-2005 11:07 PM

The pats will be garbage this year the jets will take the afc east.

beer bacon 04-07-2005 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archie Bunker
Maybe they get into the Sharper mix but I think he will price himself out of KC's consideration.

Available OLBs

Simmons UFA
Polley UFA
Holdman UFA
Navies UFA
Witherspoon RFA
Ayodele RFA
Thorton RFA

Available MLBs(For the move Bell outside crowd)
McKinnon
Morris
Calmus RFA
Wayne
Draft
Foreman
Duncan

The only guys I see that I would really want outside of Sharper are Foreman, Simmons, and maybe Holdman. Witherspoon would be really nice, but I have no idea of what compensation we would have to give. I also heard he wanted to stay with the Panthers.

Chiefnj 04-07-2005 11:07 PM

I'll step up and say I'm not happy with this. Even with the addition of Bell, the Chiefs are very thin at LB. Beisel, although not great, was such a hard worker he was able to pick up all 3 LB positions last year in a new system. That says a lot about the guy. I don't think many LB's in the NFL could do that. If he had been playing one position at any significant amount of time I think he would have had the chance to have developed into a solid starter.

Rocky 04-07-2005 11:10 PM

True hes no trotter or ray lewis hes not even as good as nopoleon harris.

Archie Bunker 04-07-2005 11:49 PM

According to sources, linebacker Monty Beisel agreed to terms on a two-year deal with New England, spurning a more lucrative offer from the Chiefs, the team he played with the last four years.

http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/sp...rticleid=95290

Mr. Flopnuts 04-07-2005 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archie Bunker
According to sources, linebacker Monty Beisel agreed to terms on a two-year deal with New England, spurning a more lucrative offer from the Chiefs, the team he played with the last four years.

http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/sp...rticleid=95290


I just read that. The fucker took less money to leave us. I hope he breaks his leg minutes after being delegated to 3rd string.

ChiefsCountry 04-07-2005 11:54 PM

Local kid, which pisses me off more than anything. Caver might not be bad to resign for special team play. Fujiita will be back now. Sign Holdman to start if we dont get Johnson.

WilliamTheIrish 04-07-2005 11:54 PM

Good luck Monty.

The guy gave his all when he played. Never caused controversy.

Just got stuck with a shitty front office.

beer bacon 04-07-2005 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefman420
I just read that. The fucker took less money to leave us. I hope he breaks his leg minutes after being delegated to 3rd string.

I remember him talking in the media last year about being frustrated at being forced to change positions so many times. I wonder if that had something to do with it. You would have to think one of the reasons New England liked him was because of his versatility.

DaWolf 04-08-2005 12:32 AM

I'd figure Vermeil woulda liked to keep him because of his ST abilities and because we drafted him but Gun probably didn't care.

I find it interesting that the Pats tried to sign MaSLOWski a couple of years ago and now they sign Biesel. Why they have a hardon for our linebackers I don't know...

Miles 04-08-2005 12:38 AM

Clearly the Patriots know how to sign explosive talent when the see it.

big nasty kcnut 04-08-2005 01:59 AM

Damn monty gone he alway played hard and was a good hitter. fuck new england.

Ultra Peanut 04-08-2005 03:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY
Oh what, now he wants a ring?

Damned greedy athletes!

Eleazar 04-08-2005 04:13 AM

Start printing- err... nevermind.

HemiEd 04-08-2005 04:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaWolf
I'd figure Vermeil woulda liked to keep him because of his ST abilities and because we drafted him but Gun probably didn't care.

I find it interesting that the Pats tried to sign MaSLOWski a couple of years ago and now they sign Biesel. Why they have a hardon for our linebackers I don't know...


I think it is the profile

the Talking Can 04-08-2005 05:34 AM

damn, a solid multi-position backup who actually worked hard...can't blame for wanting off the worst D in history though....something tells me the Pats won't move on Mitchell when his contract is up

Amnorix 04-08-2005 05:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jspchief
Personally, I hope he flops.

Not because I have anything against Beisel. Just because I'm tired of hearing about "the Patriots way". It would be nice if all the guys they got on the cheap this year turned out to suck.

That's exactly what happened to us in '02, so it's not impossible or unheard of or anything.

Amnorix 04-08-2005 05:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rocky
The pats will be garbage this year the jets will take the afc east.

Jets are looking good, no doubt about it. Coles for Moss is a huge upgrade.

But I'm thinking we're definitely still a game or two better than them if Tedy Bruschi comes back. Without him, it's a toss-up at best.

Amnorix 04-08-2005 05:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beer baron
I remember him talking in the media last year about being frustrated at being forced to change positions so many times. I wonder if that had something to do with it. You would have to think one of the reasons New England liked him was because of his versatility.

Definitely. Belichick values versatility VERY highly.

patteeu 04-08-2005 06:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jettio
Romeo Crennel must have seen this one coming.

LOL

Otter 04-08-2005 06:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefman420
I just read that. The fucker took less money to leave us. I hope he breaks his leg minutes after being delegated to 3rd string.

KC's defense is a freaking joke, not funny haha, funny queer kinda joke. Hell, most of Robinson's Assistants are still in place.

How can you blame a guy for wanting to learn from better coaches in a better, if not 'the best' system and with a pretty good chance to win The Super Bowl?

I would have had my bags at 'Hello, Mr. Beisel, this is the New England Patriots".

The only baffeling part is why they would want a LB from KCs LB corp.

The Bad Guy 04-08-2005 06:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefman420
I just read that. The fucker took less money to leave us. I hope he breaks his leg minutes after being delegated to 3rd string.

If you would pass down a chance to play for NE then you're a dumbass.

wasi 04-08-2005 06:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amnorix
Definitely. Belichick values versatility VERY highly.

Clearly Biesel was a leftover from the days of Grobs read and react schemes and this is just the latest move to have players on the roster that fit the chiefs new more aggressive defense. Nothing against Biesel, all the best to him

Amnorix 04-08-2005 06:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wasi
Clearly Biesel was a leftover from the days of Grobs read and react schemes and this is just the latest move to have players on the roster that fit the chiefs new more aggressive defense. Nothing against Biesel, all the best to him

The Patriots do run a read and react scheme, for the most part.

However, I think you're statement suggests that KC was happy to be rid of him. According to local (to Boston) reports, he turned down a bit more money from KC to go to the Pats. No clue if this is accurate or not.

ct 04-08-2005 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefman420
I just read that. The fucker took less money to leave us. I hope he breaks his leg minutes after being delegated to 3rd string.

Although this does leave us even thinner at LB, here's a guy that took less $ to go to a winning program, and you're doggin him for it? :shake:

shakesthecat 04-08-2005 07:02 AM

Eh, no great loss.

He played hard, but that's about all I can say for the guy.

C-Mac 04-08-2005 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archie Bunker
I was never a big Beisel fan but I valued his special teams play and versatility(sp?).

Lets hope the Chiefs have something up their sleeves at LB because they are incredibly thin.

OLB-Fox, Jones
MLB-Bell, Mitchell, Scanlon

Good lord that looks bad :(

We still have Barber, although he's gimpy.

whoman69 04-08-2005 07:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCJake
Should we be sad that he's gone?

IMO no

KCTitus 04-08-2005 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Otter
...The only baffeling part is why they would want a LB from KCs LB corp.

LOL...Im glad to see someone picked up on this.

htismaqe 04-08-2005 07:35 AM

Don't care...

Dr. Johnny Fever 04-08-2005 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY
Oh what, now he wants a ring?

ROFL

bastard.

Kyle401 04-08-2005 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shakesthecat
Eh, no great loss.

He played hard, but that's about all I can say for the guy.

Well like him or not, he did lead the Chiefs in tackles before getting injured. He has a blue collar work ethic that most of the rest of our defense is lacking, plus he is a FOOTBALL PLAYER, not just an athlete collecting a paycheck. I would have rather have him back for depth and to push the starters.

Bootlegged 04-08-2005 08:18 AM

Good for him, good for us.

HC_Chief 04-08-2005 08:18 AM

I would rather they took Mitchell... at least Beisel can play ST.

htismaqe 04-08-2005 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyle401
Well like him or not, he did lead the Chiefs in tackles before getting injured. He has a blue collar work ethic that most of the rest of our defense is lacking, plus he is a FOOTBALL PLAYER, not just an athlete collecting a paycheck. I would have rather have him back for depth and to push the starters.

Kawika Mitchell lead the team in tackles too. So did Mazlowski before that.

Better than bad does not equal good.

shaneo69 04-08-2005 08:22 AM

Beisel will be good in their 3-4, probably become as productive as Vrabel and Phifer. The Chiefs never are able to figure out how utilize the tweeners that they draft.

C-Mac 04-08-2005 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyle401
Well like him or not, he did lead the Chiefs in tackles before getting injured. He has a blue collar work ethic that most of the rest of our defense is lacking, plus he is a FOOTBALL PLAYER, not just an athlete collecting a paycheck. I would have rather have him back for depth and to push the starters.

:thumb:

Kyle401 04-08-2005 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rufusmaqe
Kawika Mitchell lead the team in tackles too. So did Mazlowski before that.

Better than bad does not equal good.

True, but some of these "good" players need a Biesel or Maz to push them to be their best. Those guys go all out every play. With that kind of player on the roster, the starters can't take plays off or loaf in practice or they will be replaced. Biesel had value to this football team as a special teamer and a hardworking backup. I'm not saying he's not replaceable or that he should have been the starter, but I think he would have made Fooj, Fox, and Mitchell work harder to improve. After all, would you want to be lower on the depth chart than Biesel?

ChiefsOne 04-08-2005 09:11 AM

Quote:

If you would pass down a chance to play for NE then you're a dumbass.
Guess I would be a dumbass then. New England has got to slow down soon, they can't perform at that level for too many years.

I know Beisal played at K-State and is from Kansas, so I assume he was a Chiefs fan growing up. If so, wouldn't that be a dream to play for your team. Where's the loyality?

cadmonkey 04-08-2005 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsOne
Guess I would be a dumbass then. New England has got to slow down soon, they can't perform at that level for too many years.


That's what they said about the yankees too.

KCTitus 04-08-2005 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cadmonkey
That's what they said about the yankees too.

You might want to be careful comparing baseball and football...Gretz did that the other day and got flamed mercilessly.

ChiefsCountry 04-08-2005 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cadmonkey
That's what they said about the yankees too.

Dont compare baseball with football. Two different animals.

cadmonkey 04-08-2005 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCTitus
You might want to be careful comparing baseball and football...Gretz did that the other day and got flamed mercilessly.

I'm not comparing, there is obvioulsy no comparision. I was just saying........

KCTitus 04-08-2005 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cadmonkey
I'm not comparing, there is obvioulsy no comparision. I was just saying........

What? Did I catch a niner in there?

cadmonkey 04-08-2005 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry
Dont compare baseball with football. Two different animals.

absolutly. I agree 100%. Just wishful thinking on my part is all.

footaction9 04-08-2005 09:35 AM

I will miss seeing his wife at the games. She is a former Miss Kansas. Smokin

Mr. Laz 04-08-2005 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archie Bunker
According to sources, linebacker Monty Beisel agreed to terms on a two-year deal with New England, spurning a more lucrative offer from the Chiefs, the team he played with the last four years.

http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/sp...rticleid=95290

what did you expect? :shrug:

the moved him around to 3 different positions in almost as many years.

the defense teh suxors, the defensive coaches suck and the chiefs were planning on sticking him on special teams and as a utility linebacker backup.

he was nothing but a insurance plan for the chiefs at linebacker ... always had been.


i imagine, if he was smart, he couldn't get out of town fast enough.



i don't blame him a bit and i wish him well

BigChiefFan 04-08-2005 09:40 AM

I think Beisel has alot of upside, however he definitely isn't there yet. He's a hard-nosed guy, who is willing to put in the work it takes to become better. That's why I would have liked to have seen him re-signed. However, this isn't close to being the one player we had to re-sign to become a dominant defense. Not even close. Beisel is a decent player, not a HOFer.

cadmonkey 04-08-2005 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by footaction9
I will miss seeing his wife at the games. She is a former Miss Kansas. Smokin


Sweet, so we have Johnny Damon's smoking hot wife at the sox games and his smoking hot wife at the pats games. I'll tell ya what, keep shipping these KC guys out here if they bring hot wives with them.

wildcat09 04-08-2005 09:50 AM

I sat behind her at a couple of games. bootyfull

Calcountry 04-08-2005 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gravedigger
http://www.chiefswarpath.com/home.htm

I'm sure someone else will report this. But hey I think this will open up a spot for a better LB in the first round now hopefully we can trade up for johnson.

I hope a little of our D's karma rubs off on the Patriots with that move. :shake:

Otter 04-08-2005 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsOne
Guess I would be a dumbass then. New England has got to slow down soon, they can't perform at that level for too many years.

I know Beisal played at K-State and is from Kansas, so I assume he was a Chiefs fan growing up. If so, wouldn't that be a dream to play for your team. Where's the loyality?

One or two years with the best team and coming out better trained in a better system or long-term with a team that hovers between bad and mediocre for 30 some years?

I'm a fan, but not a blind one (in most cases(anymore)).

Mr. Laz 04-08-2005 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsOne
I know Beisal played at K-State and is from Kansas, so I assume he was a Chiefs fan growing up. If so, wouldn't that be a dream to play for your team. Where's the loyality?

loyality??? the chiefs have been messing around and trying to replace Beisel in some form or fashion ever since they got him.

WTF would he hang around?

Chest Rockwell 04-08-2005 11:21 AM

Mixed emotions here. I liked the guy and think he could have been productive if they'd let him settle down in one position. Like others have said, smart, hard worker. Fit "The Profile" obviously.

That said, I'm not devastated he's gone but also worried about the state of the linebacking corps right now.

It'd be a real bitch for him if the Chiefs managed to win the SB this year.

As far as leading the team in tackles goes, what's that taken the past few years, 9-10 or so tackles?

I'm keeping a close eye on that "Make My Day" law in Florida. That passes and I say move the team. Hell, anybody with the football could definitely be perceived as a threat. Maybe some of the guys could shoot better than they can tackle.


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