How ironic that SI comes out this week with an article on fans. They had the top fans from all four sports in various categories.

Toughest Fans: Bucs
Loudest Fans: Chiefs
Scariest Fans: Raiders
Most Knowledgeable: Packers
Stupidest Fans: Raiders
Best Groupies: Dolphins
Most Loyal: Packers

Also, there was a quote in the article:

"Those idiots in Kansas City dont know when to shut up. They yell even when the Chiefs have the ball. Thats how stupid they are"

How about that? I thought for a second that I was reading my work on the Chiefs Planet!

I know what some of the "brighter" fans will say on here: "Sports Illustrated doesnt know what they are talking about" Unless its something positive about the Chiefs, it isnt valid.

Just remember that this is the same magazine that picked the Chiefs to finish in fourth place this year. I think they know the Chiefs and their fans as well as I do.

Odd comment, because I have heard stupid announcers comment on how the Chiefs fans were not into the game at points when we had the ball. Not realizing that the Chiefs fans were just being quite while we had the ball.

Oh, and what place are we in?

But at least they got the loudest part right.

Morphius,

I doubt it, but maybe this article will lend some credibility about what I have been saying all along: Chiefs have the loudest fans, Packers have the most loyal. Some of the morons on here try to claim Packer fans are as fair weathered as Chief fans. Not even close. SI says that Packer fans are the most knowledgeable too. Many Chief fans dont understand the game inside and out too. I can understand that article because that place has been deafening during all 60 minutes of the game, not just when the opponents have the ball.

Actually a moronic comment like that illustrates why no one like you, Packfan. Apparently you've never attended a Chiefs game, but if you ever get the privilege, you will find that Kansas City fans are among the most knowledgeable fans in the NFL. They build to a mighty roar on defense and keep it quiet when the Chiefs are on offense, serving as the greatest 12th man in all of football.

No disrespect intended to the Packers either. They are indeed a loyal and devoted group of fans, and very knowledgeable as well. I would be content to say that both fan bases are among the premier of the NFL... but then that would be so nice and appropriate; and it wouldn't piss anybody off now would it??

Mark

Ken: And how did SI come up with these LOL..."facts?" How exactly does one measure "fan loyalty" for example?

Ken - I have never heard the stadium loud when on offense, except after a huge play and always more quite by the 2nd play. I would say that the writer was misinformed or has heard it maybe once or twice.

Even odder is the fact that a couple of years ago we were labeled as the smartest fans. He must be talking about the boo'ing of Elvis and how stupid that was.

200+


LOL<P>

Oh my God! SI says we're idiots. Guess it must be true - they're never wrong about anything. Of course, neither is Packerhead.

Does Ken remind anyone else of Frank Burns, or is it just me?

Packfan,

You are truly amazing, as many times as I have been to Chiefs games over the years, it numbers in the 100s, the crowd is quiet as a Church when the Chiefs are on offense, until the snap is completed then the roar is on. Perhaps it is your stupidity that makes it impossible to realize that the crowd can start screaming once the snap is complete. As to the intellect of the fans on football, how in the hell would some dolt from SI know, did they randomly interview at least 5% of all Kansas City fans (not just those at the game) which would be a representative sampling, did they do the same for every City in the NFL. Most of the categories are possible to evaluate but not that one. As for the most loyal fans in the NFL that is easily the Redskins, not the Chiefs, not the Packers. As much as I hate to admit it the Bronco's fans are probably second. This goes by the only statistic that counts consecutive sellouts. This category numbers in the decades for the Redskins and Broncos. Green Bay has games in many different years since Vince retired that they did not sell out. So once again you have got it wrong, you just brought SI along this time. If you want to talk immunity to bad weather while showing up in great numbers the Bears have the Packers beat as well. The Packers do have good fans, there is no doubt about that, but to call them the best or most loyal is definitely an exaggeration. To call them the most intelligent football fans is just plain impossible to prove or dissprove.

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SI also stated there would be a Packer/Chief Superbowl in 98 with Chiefs as the victors. From the looks of all those Superbowl rings on our squad, I guess we should take what they say as gospel. Ken, the individual that wrote that article probably has better than average writing skills and had some connection to enable him to obtain a job with SI. He can still sling his opinion which this clearly is. I'm shocked that "one of the most knowledgeable" fans on this board can't recognize that.....

SI must have also rated Packer stock as a strong "buy". So Kenny went out and bought several hundred shares. What did that stuff close at today, Ken? What is the ticker?

I'll give Ken this - Packers fans are certainly loyal. Anyone who would regularly go to that puke-green, cramped, antiquated shithole to watch ANYTHING must be loyal.

Of course, they could just be really bored, since there's absolutely NOTHING ELSE to do in Green Bay.

And yes, I've been to Green Bay, and been to Lambeau. My high school football stadium was nicer.

What SI calls loyalty I call the total lack of any other remotely interesting option.

Yea yea, I know you guys. The Sports Illustrated people dont know a damn thing about football. Predicting the Chief vs Packers in 96 was horrible. They only got one team right. And picking the Chiefs to finish forth when they are actually going to finish third shows how stupid those people really are. The guys on this board know way more about the NFL than Sports Illustrated does! (Except when they have good things to say about the Chiefs.)

Like I said, Chief fans arent the brightest fans in the NFL thats for sure!<BR>

I quit reading SI when they put both Farve and Bono on the cover. I know Farve deserved to be there, but Bono?! Give me a break. Talk about a credibility problem...

Remember, SI is the kiss of death when it comes to sports coverage. Better look out, Packfan, your IQ may now suffer more than it already has!!!

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Kphobia,

I think SI is a better judge of fans than you or me. I havent been to every stadium or talked to all fans throughout the NFL and I'll bet you havent either. However, I do know Packer fans and Chief fans. And I said earlier in the week how fair weathered the fans in KC were versus how loyal the Packer fans are. Some of you guys tried to argue that to no avail. Now, I have a major magazine back me up, but even that doesnt convince you.

I think SI is probably a better judge of fans than you or I. I'll bet you agree with the Raiders being the scariest and stupidest, right?

You know what, Ken?

I'm not into "rating" fan's knowledge on this board. I can't understand why anyone would be unless they were a little insecure about their own knowledge. I'm also not stating that I know more than an SI writer or anybody else for that matter. I DO KNOW that this piece you are quoting is an OPINION article. They are entitled to have one and I'm entitled to give one in return. It doesn't make me a stupid fan or even you, Ken. However, it does make you a whiney, antagonistic b i t c h. That, my friend, is indisputable!

Yeah, SI is always right...
Have you ever heard of the SI jinx?
You sound like a St. Johns fan saying, "See SI says Felipe Lopez is going to be the savior of St. Johns basketball, so he's got to be, right?"

Fly,

Dont try to come on here and tell us that you knew how bad Bono was in 96. I am sure you were rock hard when that magazine came out and thought for sure that your Chiefs were going to the Super Bowl. Its easy to come on here now and challenge their prediction after the fact. I was probably only one of a handful in KC that was skeptical of Bono leading the Chiefs at the time. Everyone else in town thought he was the next coming of Johnny Unitas. I'll bet you were too.

You found us out, Ken. We were all major Bono-backers. He was our saviour. The greatest QB to ever go to only one pro-bowl.

Kphobia,

If the article raved about Chief fans and their loyalty, you would be chirping about it and you know. C'mon, I wasnt born yesterday. I wouldnt have mentioned it if is wasnt for the debate earlier this week. The article, IMO, is right on. Chief fans are the loudest, Raider fans are the scariest, and Packer fans are the most loyal.
Its just somebody else (sports illustrated) validating my argument. You have Bliss, Luzap, Titus, MI Chief. I have Sports Illustrated. <BR>

How does this pertain to all us posting on this board? A lot of us have been here for 2 years or more. Our loyalty to the Chiefs is pretty evident. The people you want to dog are out...there....Not on this board.


I'd rather be the loudest fans anyday. How does being smart help your team win? It isn't too hard to figure out when to yell and when not to.

Phobia,

No doubt. I have lived here since 1992 and no matter who was the QB, Chief fans were sure he was taking you guys to the Super Bowl. Thats one of the reasons why I dont think your fan base is all that bright. Me and the rest of the NFL knows the caliber of QBs this team has had. And you simply dont win playoff games with guys like Krieg, Bono, and Grbac. They have proven it.

Packfan,

At just over half full the Chiefs have as many fans attending as the Packers, you as usual continue to ignore that Milwaukee is a very short drive to attend the games so this nonsense about only 90,000 people in Green Bay does not cut it either. The one truth that you continue to ignore is that there is pretty much nothing else to do or look forward to for these fans. Yet they do not sell out every game, every season.

As usual I give you good arguments about who the most loyal fans are (1 Redskins, 2 Broncos)in the NFL and you choose to ignore it because it clearly refutes your poorly constructed foundation. I also point out why it is impossible for SI to know who are the most knowledgeable fans in the NFL and you ignore that because you have no media guide to help you with your argument.

Once again Pack_Little_Boy_Troll you are simply lame.

I agree that Packers fans are very loyal. I disagree that Chiefs fans are loud while on offense. I think we are probably amongst the loudest non-dome stadiums. I think Raiders fans are probably scary. I think smartest/stupidest are probably debateable.

Any team that can sell thousands of worthless pieces of paper for $200 to a bunch of lemmings has the most loyal fans. No question. I'll bet Lamar could even sell out a baseball venue for the right to watch the Packers adjacent to Lambeau.....

Stevie Ray,

Good Point. Most of the fans on here are probably the loyal ones. there are a few, like Bliss and Luzap, that disappear during losing streaks, but the rest are probably loyal.

Like I said, we debated this earlier. More so the loyalty of the Packer fans. Now, a major sports magazine has basically said the same thing I was saying. You guys dissagreed with me and now you dissagree with SI. I think what needs to happen is have the almight God himself (Len Dawson) come out and say the Packer fans are the most loyal. Maybe then some of you will get it.

Kphobia,

why rip on that stock?? People will spend their money on what they want. Were living in a good economy right now, so why not buy it? And for your information, their are GB stock holders in every state in the US and 13 foreign countries. Its not just the people of GB that buy the stock. There are other "idiots" elsewhere. I tell you what, I think that stock certificate in a frame looks better than a Lake Dawson jersey in a frame (I have seen several of those in KC)

Talk about idiots!

I already mentioned the fact that Green Bay is void of life except for the Packers. Ken obviously has no argument for this fact. I'll bet if you put up football stadium in the middle of Alaska you'd have lots of loyal Eskimoes in attendance.

Ken better hope no one opens up a petting zoo, or a flea market, or a video arcade, across the street from Lambeau...

Stevieray,

I think you hit on the relevant fact, smart can be judged by the fan base intelligence quotient.

Example a dog (basically LCD on IQ scale) is considered extremely smart if it rolls over and sits up on request.

Likewise, if a Packer fan can avoid pissing his pants when they score, find the stadium, and earn enough money to buy football tickets . Then based on the intelligence that would find them paying $200 a pop for worthless stock, and going to a game with no value in subzero weather makes them the smartest on a relative scale. You know IQ around that of a dog.

Certainly, Dawson is more knowlegeable about football than the sportswriter SI hired to pen this article. If he said GB has the most loyal fans, then I could take his word over some unheard of anonymous writer.....

Actually, Packfan, I did KNOW how bad Bono was going to be. I've been on the West Coast (LA-area) for 18 years now and followed what's happening with the teams. Bono, though not a loser, had never endeared himself to the fans nor proved himself of the caliber of Joe Montana or Steve Young.

When he went to KC I figured he would flop because he had a really bad attitude and thought he was God's gift to the Midwest.

Don't talk about things you don't know about Packfan. I've been an avid football and Chiefs fan for more than 35 years.

All you show is that you don't know squat about Bono or football...

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Packfan,

I see you remain scared to engage me in a debate. Is it because you have the average level IQ of the typical Packer fans just discussed or are you just plain chickenshlt.

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Don't confuse Ken with logic, Jim. It just isn't fair...

Do you guys remember when Dan Deirdorf said "Chief Fans are the best int NFL". It's just a matter of a opinion Ken, you find a sports writer who wrote something negative about the Chiefs. I bet we could find someone in the national media who wrote a positive article on Chief Fans. It's just a matter of opinion
Ken.


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I don't think that every seat being full is a direct indicator of who has the most loyal fans. I think for any NFL Team to remain in the same city says to me there is a loyal fan base. For every one person at the game, there are probably three at home watching. And spending. Can you even fathom how many hats, shirts, etc. is out there?

You have to remember it's about the game. Without the game, you don't have players or fans.


Every year you hear Arrowhead is one of the toughest places to play. Chiefs have led attendence the last six years. There is some pride in that. Considering we haven't won a playoff game in seven years...

re: #28

Sorry folks. I didn't know "ripping" the stock thing was off-limits. Apologies to Ken and to all of you for dragging you through that boring trash again....

Ken, since I don't subscribe to the rag - please define for me the terms that are rated. You seem to agree with the article, so feel free to use your definitions:

Toughest:
Loudest:
Scariest:
Most Knowledgeable:
Stupidest:
Best Groupies:
Most Loyal:



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~~if you don't like logging, try wiping your arss with plastic~~

I'm sure that Green Bay has the biggest seats and the loudest fans... It's the cheese and bean dip they have during the game...

Let me tell you about Lambeau. First off, there is only one level, which is roughly the size of Arrowhead's lower level. There are no seats, only metal benches. The seat assignments and benches are crammed so tightly that Calista Flockhart could barely fit correctly. I was miserably uncomfortable during the entire game, and the season ticketholder next to me wasn't there, so I had more room that I would have otherwise. I was there for a preseason game - I can't even imagine how all those fat-a$$ cheeseheads cram in there when they're wearing five layers of clothing in December.

Also, one level means one level of concession stands. Even during the game, you wait forever to get anything.

Lovely place. For a wrecking ball.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Helvetica, verdana, ariel">quote:</font><HR>Those idiots in Kansas City DONT know when to shut up. They yell even when the Chiefs have the ball. THATS how stupid they are. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

2 things:
1. Sounds like an Andre Rison quote. Real legitimate source.
2. Once again, Packfool shows off his comlplete ignorance for proper grammar and punctuation.

Packfan, if I didn't know any better, I'd believe that you were really Mike Keck. Just because its in print, it doesn't mean it's the truth. Lets look at CNNSI's predictions for this year.

AFC East--Colts 11-5(probably wrong)
AFC Central--Jacksonville 12-4(currently in 4th)
AFC West--Denver11-5(pretty close, but probably not the winner)
NFC East--Dallas 10-6, Washington 10-6, Cardinals 9-7, Giants & Eagles both 6-10(they totally missed on every team)
NFC Central--Bucs 11-5(close), Bears 9-7(why would anyone predict this), Vikings 8-8
NFC West--Rams 12-4(probably won't even make playoffs),Saints 5-11(right record, but reverse order)

If you want to believe everything you read, then feel free to. But you're better off spouting this garbage about the Packers on Packersplanet.com because us KC fans are lacking the knowledge to understand your infinite wisdom.



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Packfan - Why do you care so much what Chiefs fans think or say, or how smart or dumb they are. You obviously are of a higher intellect than all of us are, so why don't you socialize with those on your intellectual level? By the way, nobody from Sports Illustrated ever contacted this Chiefs fan to test my knowledge of the game. I wonder where they got their "facts" from???? I'm sure it was a scientifically valid study.

"...maybe this article will lend some credibility about what I have been saying all along: Chiefs have the loudest fans, Packers have the most loyal."

Not to pick nits, Ken, but in that other thread, only once did you mention "loyal" in reference to Packer fans. I hardly think using the term one time constitutes "saying all along." Unfortunately, in that very same post you made another comment which you have now "proven" wrong with your SI article.

"I already stated that the typical packer fan isnt the brightest, but they are loyal. Maybe its because they dont have rodeos in Green Bay!"

At least you stay in character, Ken. Bob Dole gives you credit for that much.

CC,

I'm sure that CNNSI had an official IQ test set up for the fans at the gate at Lambeau field. Each fan probably had to answer 3 questions before they could go in.

Q. What's your favorite colors?
A. Green and Yellow

Q. What's your favorite food?
A. Cheese

Q. What is God's first name?
A. Vince(Coach is also acceptable)

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Chief fans,

The article is written by Sports Illustrated. Why dont you write those guys to tell them how inaccurate they are. I dont see anyone chanllenging their "loudest fans" assessment, but thats typical from you guys. Believe the positive remarks, ridicule the negative. You guys have never believed negative articles. Jason Whitlock and Kevin Kietzman get no respect from you guys because they tell it like it is. Sporting News said the Chiefs were in need of a rebuilding job and you guys said they were crazy. Well two mediocre seasons later, it looks like they were right. Win a playoff game, keep your stadium filled, and you wont get negative publicity.

The best you guys can do is rip on the metal seats at Lambeau or correct my grammar. Those comments along with the quote from Sports Illustrated reinforce my opinion of the intellect of the average Chief fan.

"Well at least we dont have metal bench seats"

What a pathetic comeback!

Since Packfan seems to get so confused when talking about things tlike this:

fact n. (from the Latin factum) 1. a deed, act or thing that has actually happened or is really true.

truth n. (Middle English treuthe) 1. an established or verified fact, principle, etc. 2. the quality of being in accordance with fact or reality.

opinion n. (from the Latin opinio) a belief not based on absolute certainty or positive knowledge but on what seems to be true, valid or probable in one’s own mind.

Just thought this might help you out.

MM
~~Just giving some facts.

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--George W. Bush

Buccanneer fans are the toughest?

It must be REAL tough to brave 75-80 degree temperatures in December.

Packer fans SHOULD be the most loyal and knowledgable. What the h_ll else is there to do in Green Bay? Those lard as_es would commit suicide if the Packers ever left town.

Whitlock is right on about some of his stuff and totally off the wall on some of it too. He loves to stir the pot & get people riled up, kind of like you. There's nothing to make you satisfied is there? Even if the Chiefs rebuild & win the next few Super Bowls, you'd still point out that Green Bay has loyalest fans and that KC didn't support their team in the 80's. Noone is arguing about the Chiefs fans being the loudest because most here have never been to a louder stadium if there is one. I don't even see you arguing that point.

CNNSI also picked the loyalest fans in other sports.

NBA: Kings
NFL: Packers
NHL: Maple Leafs
MLB: Cardinals



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Well crap,this is just up Packfans alley! This article is based on someone's opinions...we all know what they say about opinions......Packfan,take my advise,Find a new BB to play on,please!

BTW...IMHO your loyalty and fans in GB,is good for FB...but to this ol boy...shows me how mant idiots there are in the GB area ! ;)

Here's hoping every x-mas gift you get has a Chief's logo on it! :D<P>

Bucs fans toughest? Hell, they're all bluehairs from the retirement village!

Any team that plays indoors or in California or Florida should be automatically taken out of the running for the "toughest" fans.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Helvetica, verdana, ariel">quote:</font><HR>Stupidest Fans: Raiders<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I thought you said WE (Chiefs fans, for my ignorant brethren) were the stupidest fans?


<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Helvetica, verdana, ariel">quote:</font><HR>Also, there was a quote in the article:
"Those idiots in Kansas City dont know when to shut up. They yell even when the Chiefs have the ball. Thats how stupid they are"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is simply not true. I have been to nearly every game over the last 12 years and we are very good about being quiet when the offense has the ball. I don’t know where the writer gets this from. Who wrote this article anyway? Several other posters have brought this point up, but you continue to avoid addressing it Kennie. Why is that? Maybe because it takes away from the credibility of the writer and his article?? Hmmmm??<BR>

I don't who that quote is from in SI, but I would guess its either Shannon Sharpe or Andre Rison.

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Packfan, I saw on CNNSI.com that the most loyal fan designations were voted on by players. Do you know if that's where the rest of those came from?

Toughest fans have to be a tie between the Bears, Vikings, Lions, and Bucs because all four have to deal with a$$hole Packer fans like Ken.

Ken, when you talk about writers telling it like it is, have you ever considered that writers have prejudices and favorites like the rest of us. We all know Whitlock's incessant bashing of Carl and love affair with Jeff George. Do you think maybe this SI writer could possibly be a Packer fan too? I'm not asking for truth, only that there is a possibility. That would be a step in the right direction for you.

Still translating my posts from your other thread, Kenny? I figured the great and knowledgeable Crackfan would have been able to look up all the words by now....

What do I know though, I'm just some idiot Chiefs fan.

Not only are you an idiot Chiefs fan Disco, but you're also a KU fan. :p

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Awwww man....I guess it can't get much worse for me....oh wait, I could always be an MU fan! http://www.chiefsplanet.com/ubb/tongue.gif

DAMN, you know you're an idiot when KU & MU fans band together in the spirit of bashing your arse! http://www.chiefsplanet.com/ubb/wink.gif

Let all of us MU & KU fans join together in the yuletide season and bash Hackerfan.

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It could be worse, Disco. They might have tried to call you a "Packfan"... ;)<BR>

Fly,
Even I'm not that mean. How could I look myself in the mirror in the morning knowing that I called someone a Packfan?

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re# 62 & 63 - NO!!! Anything but that!!! ANYTHING!!!

Somebody posted these questions on another thread I believe, but I never saw the answers:

1. What is a Packer? Do they Pack something?
2. If so, what do they Pack?
3. And why do they Pack it?
4. So does Green Bay have the market cornered on Packing stuff?<P>

As a proud supporter of KU,I could get along with a Tigger fan better than Packfool!

JUst ripp'n ya Ken ! ;)

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Does anyone know who made this quote that packfan is using?

Morph - I don't know either. I would like his answer to my post #53 also. I see he is avoiding it like the plague now though. Typical Kennie!

Dartgod - Just like he avoids logical like the plague, of course the fact that he is smart enough not to even try to match wits with logical might mean he is not as stupid as some of us thought http://www.chiefsplanet.com/ubb/smile.gif

There are many quotes in the article. I dont know who said, it doesnt say. Dartgod, I have been to Arrowhead too, and it is loud whether the Chiefs have the ball or not. It is LOUDER when the opposing offense has the ball.

I dont think Chief fans are that bright. SI thinks the Raiders are the stupidest. All I can say is that Chief fans, IMO, arent that bright either. Just look at some of the posts on this board.

Packfan,

You are a Chief fan. You've said many times that you like the Chiefs, but hate the way the team is managed. Are you ignorant?

IMO any group of fans that eats themselves into an early grave w/ platter after platter of sausage & cheese isn't too bright.

Packfan - I don't think you want us o judge all packer fans on your posts here. I can here you complaining now as small waves hit the boat and you start yelling at the water to tell it to quiet down.

I've been to about 40-50 games at Arrowhead and never have I heard the crowd stand up and scream whild KC's offense was trying to call a play. Granted, there will be noise generated after a big play on offense, but the noise comparison between when KC's offense & defense is on the field is huge.

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I found a pic of Packfan...

<p align="center"><img border="0" src="http://www.symetrex.com/packfan.jpg"></p>

He certainly does look like an expert!<BR>

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Helvetica, verdana, ariel">quote:</font><HR>I dont think Chief fans are that bright. SI thinks the Raiders are the stupidest. All I can say is that Chief fans, IMO, arent that bright either.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

*Let’s expand on that logic, shall we?
I think the Chiefs fans are great (knowledgeable and loyal). SI thinks the Packers are the most knowledgeable and most loyal. IMO, the Chiefs fans are great also. (maybe not the greatest, as I and others here have admitted, but up there in the top 3 or 4)

As far as the noise thing goes, I don’t think you know what you are talking about. I have been to nearly 100 games at Arrowhead over the last 12 years (how many times have you been there?) and it is not noisy when the Chiefs are on offense. Sometimes it maybe loud when a big play has occurred, but it quiets down soon after. That quote you posted here is pure bull$hit and you know it.

*I’m not surprised you fell so easily into my trap<BR>

Well since nobody can say who gave the quote, I will assume that it is Andre Rison, and since he never played here I can discredit the quote offhand.

I may need this in a while.

How many times have you seen Favre or Elway wave their arms to try to get the crowd quiet...It has nothing to do with knoweledge. It has to do with excitement and adrenalin. If you want golf claps, go to SF.