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If you saw CP ordaining Gannon as Hall of Fame worthy on the NFL Total Access then this article glorifying Gannon on the KC CHIEFS official website should come as no surprise a few weeks later. :hmmm: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Dang, first Carl is a geneous I've underestimated and now Dufus??? ROFL

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2005/06...r_rich_Gannon/

DAWES: WE REMEMBER RICH GANNON
Jun 07, 2005, 4:48:26 PM by Media Watch by Rufus Dawes



The nation’s sports press was out in force last week waiting for the other shoe to drop for some aging highly paid NFL veterans who had become expendable. It was a short list but to tell you the truth June 1 ain’t what it used to be for a voracious media hungering for some news to fill their notebooks this time of year. June 1 is just a starting date when teams can expel players without having the contract acceleration count toward this year’s salary cap.



One name missing from the list was veteran quarterback Rich Gannon, who it is expected will retire at some undetermined date prior to the opening of the season. When or where it is announced – and don’t expect the automatons in Oakland to reveal the news just for spite – it’ll likely be marked with accolades, which is a far cry from how he entered the league back in 1987.

Gannon best exemplified the journeyman signal caller, a fact that some media in the Bay Area made clear when they ordained his leaving Oakland, a team he had played for over the past six years. All totaled, he played 17 seasons for four teams, and one columnist went so far as to suggest that if the Raiders should one day construct a Hall of Fame Gannon should be in it.

Neil Hayes, writing on the San Jose Mercury News web site, noted, however, that despite his success Gannon “never stirred the passions of some of the NFL’s most passionate fans.” (April 26, 2005) He was talking about the Raiders fans and it got me thinking how passionate Chiefs fans were for Gannon when he played here and how heartbroken some were when he left, passed over, as it appeared, for Elvis Grbac, who fans never really took to in any meaningful way.

Rich Gannon was a quarterback at the University of Delaware but when he was drafted by the New England Patriots the team wanted him to play defensive back, something he never accepted, and he was traded to the Minnesota Vikings and eventually became the team’s starting quarterback until Denny Green took over as coach and traded him to Washington.

His started for the Redskins for a season but the following year he was out of the game and it was widely believed his career was over.

Although no one’s said it, his career and ultimately his reputation were revived by the Kansas City Chiefs personnel office, primarily Terry Bradway and Carl Peterson, who knew Gannon from their days in Philadelphia, Gannon’s hometown, and by Paul Hackett, who taught him the West Coast offense which eventually helped land him in Oakland. playing for Jon Gruden who had been a Hackett disciple. For all that has been written about Gannon since that time, a review of past news articles shows his arrival in Kansas City attracted almost no attention.

As a runaround, athletic quarterback he seemed the perfect fit for a backup role to Steve Bono. He eventually supplanted Bono in that horrible 10-7 playoff loss to Indianapolis almost bringing the team back to victory; two years later he took the reins when Grbac got hurt and helped the team achieve a 13-3 season. When the Chiefs lost to Denver in the 1997 playoffs, some went so far as to suggest that had Gannon been the starter and not Grbac, who was just returning from injury, the team may have won and been on its way to its first Super Bowl in 27 years.

As we look back on it now, Gannon was just what the team and its fans needed.

He burst into an atmosphere laden with uncertainty and doubt, genial, swaggering, confident, the precise figure of reassurance for a troubled town that had a habit of criticizing its quarterbacks. By temperament and character, Gannon was suited to emergencies: players reacted to him in the locker room and on the field. He could make things happen. Moreover, his persona was just the antidote to the aloof Bono and the stoic Grbac.

There are some things that have great value but no glitter. That was Gannon. Consistent, long-suffering, patient, industrious, good-humored, loyal, he made an enormous contribution to the well-being of the team. When he left, there was an outcry from many fans especially after the eventual disappointment of Grbac. Gannon’s rise to league MVP and trips to four consecutive Pro Bowls and one Super Bowl only sought to make his loss to Kansas City hurt even more.

Writing about Gannon and the effect he had on the always contentious Raiders, Hayes believed:

“Gannon was largely responsible for setting the standard that elevated the team to the top of the AFC. He had been the one holding this fractured group together. It wasn’t until he was injured and missed the season that everything came apart. He deserves to be mentioned among the franchise’s all-time greats.”

Hayes went on to say that for Oakland “he may not have been everything fans wanted him to be,” which probably sounds odd when those of us in Kansas City hear it said. He was everything we wanted in a quarterback and only someone as accomplished and team-oriented as Trent Green can make his loss easier to bear now. (F-ing brilliant!!!)

The opinions offered in this column do not necessarily reflect those of the Kansas City Chiefs. (yeah, right!!! ROFL )

How exactly does this prove that Dawes and Carl are the same person?

I take it you haven't been here long... :p

MY GAWD! TWO PEOPLE SHARE AN OPINION? THEY MUST BE THE SAME PERSON!

I've been here longer than you, but I don't have any idea why that has any bearing on the question.

Of course, I'm not surprised by that.

Ok, evidently a couple of people missed the ??????s. Or the sentence where I said Carl was a geneous thus they missed the sarcasim. But the fact of the matter is that CP would NEVER have allowed this pro-Gannon/slight to Grbac on a KC CHIEFS WEBSITE prior to Carl accepting that in his error he was partly responsible for Gannon's success.

To do so would mean that he would first have to ADMIT he made an error and then he'd have to recognize how that error came back to bite him. Which, to his credit, he seems to have done and has made peace with.

The fact that just a couple of weeks after CP was :drool: over Gannon on TV an article which echoes CPs sentiments appears on the team's website is just a coinky dinky, I'm sure ... ;)

An evolution has occured. Too bad the King is so late to the party...

Not one football post all offseason. We signed Patrick Surtain, Kendrell Bell, Sammy Knight, and Carlos Hall. We drafted Derrick Johnson.

Yet, Denise' first post of the offseason is to bash Carl for not keeping a career journeyman that has done nothing but set the NFL record for Super Bowl INT's returned for TDs.

Uh, he's done more than any Chiefs QB in the past thirty plus years...you know with winning playoff games to actually GET to a Superbowl and all.

Didn't miss the question marks.
Just didn't know they were mean't to imply you were being sarcastic.

And mispelling genius (geneous) doesn't mean anything around here.

In the end, I don't really care about any of this.
I don't like Gannon, and could care less if Carl admitted he made a mistake, because as long as Marty was the coach, it wouldn't make one iota of difference who was the QB, he wasn't going to take this team to a SB.

ROFL

I couldn't agree any more!

He made it to the Super Bowl with 2 HoF WR's and Charlie Garner.

Rich Gannon ****ING SUCKS AND SO DO YOU.

It's no big deal Parker.
She just couldn't find the time to post about football on here while she was sucking on Richie's Whizzinator.

Good for Rich, he was a brides maid in a Super Bowl and he got there because of a bogus rule.

And for your information, I know for a FACT that Rufus is not Carl Peterson.

But continue on with your dyke commentary. It's what you do best on this board.

ROFL

Yeah, they were the only reason... ROFL He didn't have any of those here and almost made it. :hmmm:

Almost made what?

You should leave this BB and never come back.

You're just a dyke troll who offers nothing and wastes board space.

You should use the ignore feature and stop :deevee: like a pms-ing biotch.

**** you Ellen.

You should jump off a cliff.

Romper Room!

Any speculation that he could have made it here is just that, speculation.

Yep, and it seems both Dufus and the King have taken to speculating with the rest of us:

'Grbac got hurt and helped the team achieve a 13-3 season. When the Chiefs lost to Denver in the 1997 playoffs, some went so far as to suggest that had Gannon been the starter and not Grbac, who was just returning from injury, the team may have won and been on its way to its first Super Bowl in 27 years.

As we look back on it now, Gannon was just what the team and its fans needed.'

Can you imagine the above being on a Chiefs website if the front office didn't believe it???? No freakin way.

Big F'n Whoop!
They are speculating the same thing you are.

They thought they had the ingredients for a SB team more than once.
They were wrong then, too.

Yea, that's absolutely iron clad innuendo. Incontrovertable evidence. Airtight case.

Nice job, Ironside.

Almost made it...um, yeah. You're delusional AND stupid.

I don't really get what the whole big deal this is being made of.

Since the day Grbac was no longer a Chief CP has stated he wished he could go back and "stand on the Table" ( kinda like standing on table when he drafted Donnie Edwards and DV said he Stood on the table to Draft Jarred Allen) and declare Gannon the QB instead of Grbac. He hasn't had any problems admitting the mistake so I don't see how late to the party he is.

This is no more than the Marcus Allen thing but backwards. If he would be worthy of the Hall of Fame there is nothing more that CP would love to see him go in as a Chief. It would create nothing but good pub for the team. Even aside from that, assuming Gannon goes into broadcasting or even coaching, Carl and the Chiefs will be the people who are backing him the most and probably his strongest references, not the Raiders and Al Davis.

Denise hates George W. Bush. Saddam Hussein hates George W. Bush. PROOF that Denise IS Saddam Hussein.

:)

no I will not....it's not time yet....you can't make me.ROFL

In case people have forgotten already:

Rufus Dawes = Bob Moore, Chiefs PR guy.

This has been pointed out to her several times in similar threads.

The girl just can't let go.

Dinny

ROFL

Any thread that has the words "Gannon" and "Hall of Fame" in the same proximity deserves nothing but ridicule.

I'm peeing in the mouth of this thread.

Well, looky who slithered out of the DC forum...

I guess you weren't around in the late nineties....

Gannon at least got the team in the playoffs, then Grbac recovered just in time to LOSE in the playoffs. Lemmee guess..you would rather have had Grbac the whole year....Gannon WAS good imo but not HOF material

maybe you're the delusional and stupid one

Grbac was 7-2 as a starter. Gannon was 6-1 as a starter.

Tell me again how the QUARTERBACK made one ****ing iota of difference in the outcome of those games?

Did you even WATCH the 1997 Chiefs? Do you know who Derrick Thomas is?

One better. Islamibitch loves terrorists and hates Americans, therefore she must be Osama's Bahama Momma!

Hey, y'know, speaking of the late nineties, I think I'm having a star board flashback.

The qb is the leader of the team

7-2 and 6-1 means Grbac lost twice as many games as Gannon

All i'm saying is that I thought Gannon was better than Grbac

Derrick Thomas is the best linebacker of the nineties (6 sacks in one game TWICE in his career (seahawks and raiders) is pretty impressive)
126 in his whole career
reached the 100 sacks mark faster than any other linebacker
thats all I can think of right now without looking stuff up

It isn't the offseason without a Gannon/Grbac debate. No surprise who started this one.

Damn Rufus Peterson, stirring the shit once again.

As a leader of the bash King Carl clan I have to stick up for our CEO/GM/El Presidente here....He has admitted and I think he has said publically on more than one occasion that keeping Grbac over Gannon was his biggest mistake as the Chiefs GM ever.

Hey, you know, something just occurred to me. :hmmm:

If Denise likes Gannon and Peterson likes Gannon, then Denise is Carl. And Rufus Dawes.

The secret's out.

Congratulations.

That's quite possibly the DUMBEST statement I've seen on this bulletin board.

Dumb maybe, but true and you know it

Face it, Grbac sucked. Thats why he was riding the pine in Bal. contemplating retirement(which he did) while Gannon tossed int's in the SUPER BOWL.

And in the end all the Gannon folks (who cannot let it go even though we're working on 10 years now) can say is "At least Rich got to throw INT's in the SB."

That's fab.

What? That doesn't even make any sense.

7 wins, 2 losses = 78%
6 wins, 1 loss = 86%
13 wins, 3 losses = 81%

Face it, it DOES NOT MATTER who was playing QB. That team was predicated on defense, running the ball, and was coached by Marty. BOTH QB's produced identical results in the regular season, and NEITHER of them was going to produce a victory in the playoffs.

I didn't get to see all the Ravens games then, but IIRC Grbac started the whole year he was there. He had a 2 part signing bonus with the Ravens, and they declined to pick up his 2nd year, which in effect cut him loose. At least that is the way I recalled it going down.

Grbac had a pretty good playoff game, too. We lost that game because Denver ran all over us while we gained only 77 yards rushing with 3.2 ypc.

Boy do I LOVE re-living this experience.

[sarcasm]It's like we get new perspectives each time.[/sarcasm]

I respect your opinion. Again, the QB is the leader of the team
86% is better than 78%, not identical
the team had a higher avg of pts scored with Gannon
He just looked more comfortable running the offense than Grbac did. Just because Gannon was a little more mobile.

I think we could have scored more than 10 pts. against Den. without a rusty Grbac in there

yes thats right , my bad

Grbac had a TD to Gonzalez that was called out of bounds but clearly Tyrone Braxton pushed him out.

And there was a phantom holding call on Greg Manusky on one of Stoyo's made field goals and then after the penalty was tacked on, he shanked the next one.

You are really nitpicking if you think a 6-2 record and a 7-1 record is a major difference. As HTIS said, this team was predicated on defense.

Nah, not a major difference, I just think Gannon had more guts than Grbac.

Hell you'll find more guts inside a cantelope than you'll find inside Grbhack.

Yep. You actually have to GET to a SB to throw an interception (let alone many) in a SB.

It might not be much for Gannon but it's a heckuva lot more than his old team(s) have.

ROFL :clap:

Except that I haven't been in denial about it for the past 7 years. :p

Your comment is right on and deserves rep

I don't give a flying expletive about Grbac, Gannon or the woman who has the obsession for him. It's been almost 10 years and here you are whining and moaning about the decision to keep Grbac over the guy who gives your flaps an electric tingle.

You're pathetic.

**** Rich Gannon.

In the end it wouldn't have made one freakin' bit of difference if Gannon had started and the offense had scored more points, because Marty was coach.

Martyocre's philosophy was to minimize mistakes, keep the score close, give his team a chance.

And he paid for that philosophy in the playoffs, and against John Elway.

It's no coincidence that Elway had more comeback wins against Marty teams (Cleveland and KC) than any other HC.

So when it came time to win, Marty's philosophy would have bit him in the ass, even if Gannon had played.

Actually, this isn't about whining or moaning about him...

this is about the fact that the controversy surrounding his departure and subsequent success were featured on a KC CHIEFS WEBSITE when that success was for one of their hated rivals. ROFL ROFL :clap: The irony tickles me pink. In all the years I championed the guy, I NEVAH imagined he'd get kudos like these on a KC CHIEFS WEBSITE. ROFL

No, it is, as usual, about talking about Gannon and rubbing your crotch again.

Seriously, this is serious vindication. I just HAD to share it!!! :p