Is anyone seriously scared of the Raiders?
 

Yes, they got some nice shiny toys for the offense.

But Norv Turner is still their head coach and Chiefs fans know how well keeping the same players and changing the scheme works for fixing a defense.

i don't think we can afford to NOT be scared of everyone at this point .


we have no idea what we have on defense


ask again on 9/12

9/11 will prove pretty much nothing. Ask in November.

The Chargers scare me.

I think we match up really well with them, except for one thing. I fear Jerry Porter, or heaven forbid Randy Moss, lining up on McCleon's side all day. I think that matchup is so grotesquely to their advantage it could single-handedly keep them in the game.

Well, we otta be....they got the Moss.

I think the thing with them is that they have 3 wideouts that can hurt you. If it were just Moss and Porter then we could manage that somewhat IMO. When you add Curry as another threat, that kind of stretches the corners and safeties more than I'd like to admit.

That also means that Jordan might have some running room. Otherwise we will stomp their panzy a$$

A rolling Moss soon gets stoned.



That has nothing to do with the topic, but I had to share it anyway.

nope not scared at all....the reason...ONE WORD...COLLINS

Well at this point anything is a vast improvement over the last few seasons.
I guess I now know how you Chief faithfull felt season after season not so long ago :D

At any rate, A Chief / Oak matchup would have your def stretched pout all night while Moss, Porter and Curry burn up the back field.

Only so we could allow Priest to light up the score board.

I don't like Collins, :shake:
never did, :shake:
never will. :shake:

PUT IN TUI DAMNIT!!!!! :cuss:

Naw. They suck. 4 in a row.

Radiers are the joke of the nfl.

Yeah, but we're about the only ones that get it.

Scared? No. They should have the worst defense in the NFL by a wide margin, and nomatter who they run out there as receivers, Collins hasn't shown he's the kind of QB who can carry a team. If they had a dominant defense, and could ask him to go the Marty "don't screw up"/limit the turnovers route, it might work, but they're going to have to try to win on his arm. And he should rack up some numbers doing it, but he'll also turn the ball over. A lot.

But, regardless, you don't take any NFL team lightly, and a division foe less so.

They are going to have a killer offense and no defense. We should know as well as anyone that that can lead to victory or loss. I hope we can sweep them but I would certainly not bet on it.

no

I forgot the Norv Turner factor, too. He's another in a seemingly endless string of "good coordinators who became bad head coaches". He was bad in Washington, and I don't think he'll be any better in Oakland.

Watching their game against Zona the other night and Collins was stripped of the ball 4 times.

I like to think one drive they had against the Texans was indicative of how their season will go.

Collins drove them down the field, hitting open receivers again and again and again.

Then they got into third and long and he forced a pass to Randy Moss at the goalline and it was intercepted.

ROFL Lots of chest beating. The defense is not as bad as some think and the offense will score points. I am not boasting big talk, but I am sure they will better than alot on this thread think.

So far.... it sorta kinda looks like the Oakland defense is fixed a wee bit more than the KC defense. The 1st half stats in the preseason when the starters played have been way lopsided in favor of Oakland. Then the scrubs come in and mess up the stats, just like your scrubs. But still... here's the way its been shakin' down with our two defenses:

#1 Oakland, 222 yds/G
#31 Kansas City, 363 yds/G

http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NF...e?sort_col_1=4

Preseason means absolute jack shiat. No team in the NFL will even approach 222 yards a game allowed this year.

Norv Turner




That is all.

Keep telling yourself that. Chiefs fans were telling themselves that all last offseason.

Do you think moving Warren Sapp inside is suddenly going to make him better? Since he'll be facing a pro bowl guard he's probably going to get dominated even worse.

The same goes for your slow ass linebackers. None of them can cover Tony Gonzalez.

54 - 70


what do these numbers mean?


oh that is the win/loss total for Norv.

Not yet, but the prelims are starting to shape up. Collins is the #2 QB this preseason with a 105.7 rating, & he hasn't even had Porter & Moss both on the field yet. We'll know soon enough. Pete Prisco sez:

"All four (AFCW) teams will have offenses that can put up big numbers. The best of those offenses will be in Oakland, but do the Raiderz have enough on defense to win the division?

We realize the defense struggled last season, but there is talent on that side of the ball, enough to show improvement. And with that offense, only a slight improvement will give the Raiderz the title in a tough, competitive division."

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/8787682

Mr Duck preseason don't mean a think.

Pete Prickso can lick a can of salted nuts.

Of course.... thats why I only said that "it sorta kinda looks like the Oakland defense is fixed a wee bit more than the KC defense."

Your thoughts only amuse me. I do not have the time or the interest to educate you to a level where we could have a debate about anything relating to football.

Christ, this is absolutely the most pathetic response anyone can ever make in a football thread.

"You don't know anything about football. You are therefore wrong."

:rolleyes:

It will depend on how the Chiefs D will perform this year.

If the Chiefs DO improve, then I could see the Chiefs winning both games.

If the Chiefs DON'T improve, then I could see the game being a high-scoring shootout, with either team winning it.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...86472?v=glance

Here ya go

No gochiefs it is a simple reply to a kid who begs for a reply be it negitive or positive. I have been around here a long time kid and have read enough from you to know you don't shit about football. I am willing to have a debate with someone I respect about this topic. You have never played much less coached the game, and everything you know has been told to you or you have read it on the internet...and that ain't much.

You're a complete tool. What are you going to say when the Chiefs trash the Raiders this year and vindicate me?

ANYONE that plays the "football knowledge" card is only playing it because they don't have a logical response.

I guess this goes for everyone, huh?

ATTENTION! IF YOU HAVE NEVER PARTICIPATED IN ORGANIZED FOOTBALL, YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT!

ROFL :rolleyes:

Thank god I played in high school.

Yep. I have learned absolutely ZERO about football by watching it.

:shake:

You must be really smart. Can you tell me something really complicated about football?

ROFL This is why I reply to you the way I do. Keyboard tough guy too funny. As you should know I will be here win or lose. You should really try and make it to a Oakland game in KC I would enjoy meeting you. I would love to see you crack a line like that to my face :rolleyes:

Excuse me? Keyboard tough guy? YOU'RE the mother****er that started this by playing the bullshit football knowledge card.

Yeah, you'll be here, that wasn't even what I was insinuating. I KNOW you'll be here. I asked you WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO SAY?

So seriously, drop some of your "FOOTBALL GENIUS" knowlege on me, Mr. Smart Football Person.

:rolleyes:

*Sits back on his recliner, munching some popcorn*

grat a chick slap fight, on the internet.

great a chick slap fight, on the internet.http://www.freewebs.com/bandpictures...0B%20&%20W.jpg

Seriously, when someone comes into the thread and IMMEDIATELY disrespects someone else instead of debating or responding to their opinion....that's just total bush league.

ROFL Goodnight gochiefs maybe we will get a chance to meet at B-5 someday.

Typical.

Why don't you go ahead and TELL me why Warren Sapp ISN'T going to get dominated? Because you know, I'm so STUPID, right? I'm an ignorant bastard who can't even understand why QBs yell out a bunch of shit before the snap.

Naw just wishful thinking on my part. :)

There's alot of that going on tonight.

I feel like I am at a ****in' sorority.

Dude... thats the kind of stuff that you just keep to yourself. I mean, it don't do no good to go around broadcasting it, eh?

Apparently you have trouble picking up sarcasm.

Ohhh...sarcasm. Sorry - my bad...

OK you are usually pretty up on stats so why would you make this statement when the Chiefs allowed 377.3 yards per game and every team in the NFL allowed more than 258.4 yards per game.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NF...r?sort_col_1=4

Because 258 yards being the lowest is not even close to 222 yards. Correct?

OK you are looking at it backwards from the way I was. When you said approach, I assumed allow more than that number, but you meant the same as or less than. Sorry for my misunderstanding.

Vlad, believe you me, I was barely able to speak with you on this issue due to your almost complete lack of knowledge about football. And I simply do not have the time to educate you to a level where we could have a debate about anything relating to football. :harumph: http://www.forumopolis.com/images/sm...eng101_new.gif

gochiefs:

“Do you think moving Warren Sapp inside is suddenly going to make him better? Since he'll be facing a pro bowl guard he's probably going to get dominated even worse.”

Suddenly? Moving Sapp inside - the position he played for many years, the position he played that got him seven pro bowl selections, the position he feels more comfortable playing – yes, it should make him more effective, i.e. "better." Whether or not he’ll “probably” be dominated by a pro bowl guard – yours or anyone else’s – remains to be seen. So far he seems to be playing with much more enthusiasm and has been actively pressuring opposing QBs, registering two sacks in six quarters of preseason play.

“I like to think one drive they had against the Texans was indicative of how their season will go. Collins drove them down the field, hitting open receivers again and again and again. Then they got into third and long and he forced a pass to Randy Moss at the goalline and it was intercepted.”

I recorded that game and watched that particular play a few times. Moss ran a slant into the post and Collins threw the ball behind Moss. There was nothing forced in his throw. He simply made a bad throw. Had Collins properly led Moss you'd have to find another single-drive example of what you'd "like to think... will be indicative of a season." Besides, isn’t it a bit silly for anyone to pretend a single series of plays is indicative of a season not yet played, especially when the person making that remark himself said, “Preseason means absolute jack shiat?”

He still sucks. He's over the hill, fat, and not half the player he once was. Moving him a couple feet over isn't going to amount to a hill of beans. Especially against KC.

Tyler Brayton is an example of a player who's going to be helped by the scheme move. Warren Sapp is not. Why do you think Tampa Bay had almost zero interest in resigning him?

The safety came UP to intercept the ball. No matter where Collins threw it, it was going to be a pick. The safety was sitting there playing centerfield.

Yeah, of course it's silly. Hence "I'd like to think."

Yes, preseason means little. But Collins has a history of being a bonehead.

If we had the KC Chiefs defense, I'd be scared of Oakland.

I think Moss will definitely make Collins look better than he is at times. It's not really rocket science to tell the QB to throw the football as far as he can, and have a WR that can outrun everybody and get to it almost without fail...

You probably didn't think our offense was going to get better either.

Yeah.. Try to bring down a 230lb RB who runs a 4.4/40 who has just turned the corner on the sidelines and is headed back towards the middle of the field. And you're the SS. As you glance around with what periferal vision you have and notice there's no one within 5 yrds of said RB and as the last line of defense, you the SS have to stop him. BTW you weigh 200.

BTDT. More than a few times.

Yeah, it can get complicated.

So TJ... How do you feel having the Cleveland defense?
:)

Over hyped with Randy Moss.

Afraid? Hell no.

Could we lose to 'em? Well, yeah.

As you have already demonstrated your opinions are many and, since no one can be wrong all the time, some of them are bound to be correct. Maybe your opinion of Sapp is one of those times. We’ll see soon enough.

I don’t know why Tampa Bay let Sapp walk and likely neither do you, unless you were part of their management team. My guess is you weren’t. Do you really believe the media has all the details to Tampa Bay’s reasons why yes why no regarding Sapp?

Look, it’s fine if you’re strafing Oakland players just because it makes you happy. Knock yourself out.


The offense was 10 yards from the goal line. Had Collins thrown the ball properly Moss’ body would have been between the safety and the ball. Unless “playing centerfield” means the safety was somewhere in front of the goal line your pick-no-matter-where theory doesn’t hold up.

So then, you understand how other people might have little regard for what you think?

The “bonehead” took his first team to a NFC championship game. He took his second team to a Super Bowl. Maybe, just maybe, he’s a little wiser and a more competent QB than you give him credit. If history of seasons past is your only measuring stick then I understand your concern regarding Collins. Then again, history suggests your team won’t participate in the Super Bowl during your lifetime. History’s a funny thing, yes?

What worries me about *gag* the R aiders, is the offense. Poopoo it all you want but they have Moss, Porter and Curry as well as a bonafide RB. Their O line is also decent if not spectacular. Collins may not be the end all and be all but the dude can throw a deep ball (which coincidentally is Moss' strong point).

Their D is what is going to be their Achilles heel this year. They are going to be like KC version 2002-2004. Score a lot of points, hope like hell the other team don't score more. The AFCW is going to be INTENSELY competitive this year.

They sort of remind of the Rams with all their talent at wide out. I can't remember but how many times has the Rams beat us since they went to St. Louis?

No. Norv Turner has never been all that good. Moss and Porter are an elite tandem, and Lamont Jordan should be at least an average quality NFL back. I like the QB fine, especially with the deep ball, but their OLine sucks ass, which is going to hurt everything they try to do.

Their defense is under a young coordinator (Ryan) in only his second yard as a DC. His first year was spent mucking around with a 3-4 that failed abysmally, and now he's switching back to 4-3, using some players who are wonderfully suited for that role.

Their DLine is yet another year old, and not particularly more talented, their LBs not very good, and their secondary spotty.

So no, not much to fear here. Mediocre head coach and offensive and defensive lines equals nothign to worry about.

I'm looking forward to my boys dismantling them a week from today.

I think Collins is a perfectly serviceable NFL QB. Not great, but definitely not terrible. His deep throws are especially good (above average), and with Moss (only the biggest deep threat in NFL history) and Porter (another good deep threat), their offense is definitely menacing.

I'm thinking, however, that you're going to see your team with ALOT of third and longs this year. Long throws are nice and exciting, but your OLIne isn't necessarily good enough to protect Collins long enough for the play to develop.

Offenses these days usually live by generating good drives marching down the field. The Mad Bomber days are over. I'm not sure Al Davis realizes that.

I'm not sure Al Davis realizes that White Jumpsuits are out of style either. :evil:

This is why I love Raider fan,wiser and competent= a qb who has 154 career INT vs. 153 career TD's and in the biggest game of his career choked and threw only 1 td,which just happened to be to the other team.

I will say you're correct on the history of KC,however,I sleep very well at night knowing that KC still holds the upper hand in head-to-head match-ups with the silver and black and that even when your team had Gannon they still couldn't get the job done and Rich set a record for INT's in the biggest game of his career.

You better stick to choke football... because you don't know sh*t about Raider football.

To think that Tyler Brayton is a player who's going to be helped by the new scheme proves one of three things... A: you don't watch Raider football... B: you don't know squat… or C: all of the above.. which would be more accurate.

Tyler couldn’t cover the ground he was responsible for with a 3/4 alignment… how in the hell is he gonna do well in a 4/3 since he will have more ground to cover.

He is a DE that is “trying” to being converted to a OLB. If I were the chokes I would dump halfback tosses his way and watch him grab some air. He’s a great kid with a big heart and a great motor but IMO he is lost out there.

and if you think that Warrnen Sapp will not be helped by moving back to a position that he has played for years and as a pro bowl player... and also having big Ted Washington playing the middle who always sucks up two o-lineman… then I understand why many knowledgeable football fans usually ignore your tripe.

I'm somewhat afraid of the Rai ders off the field. I'd hate to get caught in the middle of a drug deal gone bad or something.

Turner is a proponent of a strong ground attack first. Downfield throws will happen when the defense devotes more people to run defense at the expense of pass defense. He did this as an offensive coordinator in Dallas, San Diego and Miami, and as head coach in Washington. He is attempting to do the same in Oakland.

I am more concerned with Oakland's ability to run block than pass block. If they run block effectively and Jordan repeatedly gains yardage the defensive pass rush will address RBs coming at them first before they look for Collins' head, and that may be the difference leading to a completed long pass.

The rule changes encourage passing, allowing WRs to run untouched after 5 yards from scrimmage. It seems a greater likelihood that more teams will test defenses long. Bombs away.

I hear ya.... gets that way when I'm selling drugs to choke fans when another one of their season hopes are dashed... yet again.

nlmnlmnlm**** the RAiders..........now I know they understand that.