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Why I want Mike Martz to be the Chiefs next HC
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Why I want Mike Martz to be the Chiefs next HC
My reasoning:
1) For all the talk that Martz is a bad coach, he has a 53-32 record as a head coach, and a 3-4 career playoff record. Gregg Williams has a 17-31 career head coaching record. It would be hard pressed to find any prospective coach who is going to be available this offseason (and I still think Fisher stays in Tennessee) with the NFL head coaching record that Martz has. 2) Martz would keep the basis of the Chiefs' current successful offensive system in place and would probably enhance the passing game by upgrading the WR position, making the Chiefs passing game more explosive. Also Martz and Trent Green have a history together and a positive relationship, which is important considering Trent will probably be the Chiefs starting QB for another 2 seasons at least IMO. 3) Martz has a proven track record of developing QBs (see Trent Green, which goes back to his days in Washington, Kurt Warner and Marc Bulger) and would be able to develop a young QB to eventually replace Trent Green. 4) All the gushing over Gregg Williams, people are forgetting how horrible he was as a head coach in Buffalo. That 3rd year where he had the players in place on defense that he had wanted, the Bills completely fell apart, finishing 6-10. All he's proven in Washington is that he's a good defensive coordinator, but nothing that would suggest he would be a better head coach if he were given a second chance. 5) Looking at college ranks, really no one stands out to me. I don't think Carroll will leave USC this offseason and I don't think Stoops would make a good NFL head coach (especially considering he is overrated as a college coach, see how Pete Caroll and Nick Saban toyed with and humiliated him in the Orange Bowl and Sugar Bowl the past 2 years). Not to mention, also that Stoops has zero NFL coaching experience. 6) I think Martz could be a guy who helps turn around the Chiefs defense. After his first year as head coach of the Rams, he led the Rams focus that offseason towards dramatically improving their defense, and he hired Lovie Smith to be DC. The following season the Rams finished in the top 10 in total defense and allowed 200 less points that season than they did the season before (second most dramatic improvement in NFL history). I'm not arguing that Martz was the main reason behind that improvement and I'm sure Lovie Smith was probably the main reason why, but Martz was the one who hired Lovie Smith and Martz led the initiative to dramatically improve the Rams defense that offseason. |
No f***ing way!
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I don't think he's an awful coach, but he doesn't protect the QB very well, he has to keep developing them because he kills them all off, he ruined Kurt Warner... and he doesn't run the ball. LJ would be having a fit in the media every week when he only got 15 carries.
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7) These medications...
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I'd like Martz actually. Of all the prospects people have mentioned he's probably the best.
I don't like how little he runs the ball but I honestly think that with this line + LJ every coach you hire is going to pound the rock. |
Get out.
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cheap ploy to get Jenny Gump neg rep
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Just when I thought it wouldn't get worse, here comes Martz...he just sat one of the best 5 RB's in the game, after a Super Bowl run, in favor of his Passing game, and hadn't won anything since.
enough with this guy! |
Uh, OK, is this a joke.
Boy howdy, you had me going there for a second. |
OC yes, HC **** NO!!!
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Is that Bob Marley playing in the background :bong:
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He "sat" Faulk because Faulk has been hampered by injuries since that 2002 Super Bowl. And since going to the Super Bowl he has been to the playoffs twice, including a playoff win last year in Seattle. That would be more playoff wins than the Chiefs have had the past decade and more playoff wins/appearances than Gregg Williams EVER had as a head coach. |
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so that's the reason he should be here. And you're wrong about the injuries to Faulk. He had one injury and Martz used that against him as a way to show off his passing game.
Since then, the team has drafted defensive players and tried everything to get him the talent he needs and he cannot win with them. 1 Playoff game won doesn't make him a great coach. I'm not buying it, and I son't want Gregggg Williams either, they both suck ass at the head coaching position |
Somebody got a big bag of Skunk #1 Big Bud for Christmas...
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bring in martz as a oc if carl brings in herm as a hc...this would balance out herm being conservative and martz being to agressive
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I would no longer be a Chiefs fan if Martz is our new HC. He's a great coordinator, terrible HC. His 50something win record does not show for his inconsistency and goofy play calling. I wouldnt mind him as our QB coach or OC if Al Saunders was to replace DV. But other than that I view Martz as a whiny little baby. I pretty much hate the entire Rams organization as a whole.
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If Houston is in position to draft Reggie Bush, I see Martz going to Houston to replace Capers.
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Martz is an idiot. No way do I wanna see him coaching the Chiefs.
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Faulk hasn't been able to play in more than 14 games in a season (including only 11 games in 2003) since the '99-'00 season. So I wouldn't say that is just one injury. And Martz as a head coach has been to 7 playoff games, with 3 playoff wins and a Super Bowl appearance. Is there another head coaching possibility that is realistically going to be available this offseason with that proven NFL track record as a head coach? Not Gregg Williams Not Bob Stoops Not Pete Carroll Not Al Saunders |
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Your and idiot. **** NO to Mike Martz have you watched him coach any games?? |
Theres not another team in the NFL that is on a faster decline than the St Louis Rams, thanks to Martz.
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NFW.
Can't manage the game clock. OLine collapse in decline since 2000. OC maybe not HC anywhere. |
Martz knows about defense just as much as Vermeil does, which is barely above a 4th graders knowledge about defense.
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He's a terrible head coach with a 53-32 career record, including 3 playoff wins and a Super Bowl appearance? If a guy is a "terrible head coach" in your opinion with those credentials, what kind of head coach would that make Gregg Williams who has a 17-31 career record with no playoff wins or appearances. |
As much as I'd love to see LJ sitting on the bench...I must disagree.
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Well he would save LJ, because he would only get 7 carries a game...
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Martz did a servicable job... with Dick Vermeil's team...
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So why couldn't he do the same in KC |
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That would spell horror in KC, kinda like in St. Louis now. :p |
Wanting Martz as a HC should be a bannable offense...
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I agree. Herm is a better choice |
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:spock: Are you high?! |
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He's an imbecile. He had a fumble and interception prone QB so he runs min-protect, 5-wide formations. He's got a nice running back- that is getting the ball 15 times a game. He mismanages the clock, his personnel currently comprise one of a handful of teams giving up more YPG than the Chiefs, he scapegoats and alienates players, and he's currently waging a proxy war in the media against the organization that still employs him. Not to mention the kooky play calling that most of us have had enough of already. Earlier this year they showed a play on sportcenter where he called a reverse on third and short. I listened to a Rams fan here at work after another game complain that when the team was getting blown out with a few minutes to go, Bulger was still in and Jackson was playing with a fracture in his sternum. NO THANKS |
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I wonder if Bills fans, back in '85 or '86 thought the same about Marv Levy when he was hired, as some Chiefs fans think of Greg(with another g) Williams? |
He plays to wide open, he will get trent green killed. look what he has done to all his quarterbacks. NO THX
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Mike Martz would probably be the worst possible hire we could make.
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You are comparing Marv Levy to Gregg Williams? ROFL The Chiefs improved each year under Levy until that final season that was derailed by the players' strike. Gregg Williams in his third season in Buffalo after an offseason in which Buffalo was aggressive in upgrading their defense, and went into that season with Super Bowl aspirations, went 6-10. He never had a winning record as head coach. |
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Yeah look what he's done with his QBs... Developed Trent Green into a Pro Bowl caliber QB Developed Kurt Warner into a Super Bowl MVP Developed Marc Bulger into a Pro Bowl caliber QB. Gee that is so terrible |
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People blame Williams for that season, but fail to remember that Bledsoe was his QB, and he was protected by a crappy O-Line, with a couple of injuries, and couple of high picks that never lived up to expectations. They complain that he got conservative, and that cost them. But he had no friggen' choice. That conservative label was placed on Levy, and it led to that poor record in a strike shortened season. Like Williams in Buffalo, Levy's conservative approach was dictated by terrible offensive talent. |
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Then he nearly got 'em killed. Martz is a freakin' Moron. |
I could see Martz as an OC with a level-headed HC to balance him out.
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His defense has been ranked 23rd or WORSE 4 out of 6 years in St. Louis.
NO THANKS. |
Why I want KCChiefsfan88 banned...
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Although I'm certain Carl wouldn't give Martz the time of day...I'd take him over Williams or Edwards.
Personally, I'd love to see Jeff Fisher brought in, but I ain't gettin' my hopes up. |
I really hope Rivera is given a chance here...
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Martz is the human equivelant of a reerun...
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Talk about revisionist history. Its not like Williams inherited Bledsoe in Buffalo, he was the coach when they traded for him, so getting Bledsoe was partly his decision. Also that offensive line anchored by the high picks you allude to, well again he was the head coach when picks such as Mike Williams were made... doesn't Williams get any blame there? And the "terrible" offensive talent you talk about... do you remember the Bills back in 2002, Williams' second season as head coach? They were one of the best offenses, especially passing offenses in the league. Bledsoe had over 4000 yards passing, etc. |
Martz is a drama queen. No thanks, I've had enough of that lately.
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With a healthy O-Line, Bledsoe was able to put up some numbers. With a banged up O-Line, Bledsoe and that offense couldn't get it done. Bledsoe was a bad decision on his part, I'll grant you. But then there's a chance he learned something. |
I will burn every piece of Chiefs memorabilia that I own if we hire this moron.
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Put it down and back away from the computer. The last thing we need is that player killer. |
All offense, no defense part deux
What we need a 10 year run of this before everyone figures out it won't work. It only took me to the end of 2003, hurry up you slow learners. |
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It was like me, Milkman, and KCJohnny. That's about it. |
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HE ****ING SUCKS!!!!
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Baby Lee (JCJohnny) and Sidewinder (Milkman) were both very vocal about not really wanting Vermeil.
It was just overshadowed by the absolutely over-the-top Ramifization talk... |
DV's clock management drives me batty, I think a Martz season would wind up with me in a looney bin.
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No, no and no.
I felt the same way about Dick and I feel the same way about Martz. I won't say that they're bad coaches. Both are good to excellent. But Martz will fail to address the defense the same way Dick did. The Chiefs do not need anymore "greatest show on turf" mentality. |
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Obviously we disagree, that's cool. Just remember though, Martz prefers passing and we happen to have 2 of the top 5-7 RB's in the NFL on our team. We saw him shut down his own running game (Marshall or not) for his passing game and dare anyone to say anything and hasn't won a playoff game since that time. |
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