Chiefs still after marinelli?
 

so let me try and get a feel of the situation...


marinelli is still interviewing for head coaching positions so we can't really try and hire him yet and Gun was about to hit the market for other job chances.

So rather than losing both .... Edwards got the ok to hire both


Gunther as DC ... Marinelli as asst. HC/Defensive Coord


so on defense we'll have

Edward - a defensive HC
Marinelli - a defensive asst HC
Gunther - DC/foot shuffling porter



i can live with that ... as long as we get marinelli to keep a leash on Gun.

Why would Marinelli come here in a position other than D-coordinator? He's in demand.

ehh?! :spock:


... maybe because assistant head coach is a higher position than Defensive coordinator.

Uh.....not sure I get it.

Huh? You honestly think that?

I don't know about that. AHC sounds like a made up title to me.

And HC (even in Detroit) is a higher position than Assistant HC...

That would be a pretty good bunch of defensive minds working together. That'd be great if it worked out that way. Just for shits and giggles if it came down to getting Saunder back as OC or bringing in Marinelli as a Co-DC who would you want? I ask this because if one gets an HC job it might keep the other from getting an HC job. It might not but it could. I'd take Saunders back if I had to choose.

PhilFree:arrow:

Exactly. The coordinator's position is where the power is, and doing a good job at it is what gets you a head coaching gig. I think Marinelli was already assistant head coach in Tampa. He's hardly at a higher position than Kiffin.

yes ... actually i don't have to think it, it just IS


when a team wants to hire away a OC or DC from another team they add the title of Assistant Head coach to his title and give the coach a pay upgrade to make it a promotion.

Asst head coach is obviously higher than a coordinator's position. better pay, more power. An asst head coach can over ride a coordinator. How is asst HC not more powerful than a OC or DC????

it is a made up title...


made up by NFL teams so they could steal away coaches from other teams without making them a head coach.

Al saunders was for the chiefs


http://www.kcchiefs.com/coaches/

Al Saunders Asst. Head Coach/Off. Coordinator

So Kiffin answers to Marinelli in Tampa? Is that what you think?

It's just a title. It was invented to keep other teams from stealing coordinators.

Maybe they'll hire him to be in charge of Clock Management. We've heard the horror stories about Herm's attempt and we know there is no one on the existing Chiefs coaching staff that can do it.

I concur, this would work with and currently with the coaching cluster fuck that KC has at the DC department .

Bob Stoops has successfully used a co-defensive corrdinator role in Oklahoma for several years now.

Why wouldn't Herm keep Gun as the DC right now, and if/when his Tampa buddy is available, make him co-DC and Asst HC.

ROFL

I forgot about that one.

Arguing about the heirarchy of titles aside, I'd love to have Marinelli here.

Gunther as the rah-rah guy on the sidelines; Marinelli as the brains in the booth. That's a role Gunther could excel in.

Not to mention guys with head coaching qualifications aften get this title tacked onto their main job title so they can shop their head coaching quals later. I believe Al Saunders was receivers coach and assistant head coach back when Gunther took the HC job.

That's why a receivers coach could feel miffed about getting passed over by a Defensive Coordinator.

It could also be we will have co-defensive coordinators like the Rams did a few years ago.:grovel:

This would be fine IMO

damnit :cuss:


isn't that what i just said?!!?

Yep. Make Gunther the hands-on guy that teaches Marinelli's schemes to the players, and yells at them on the sideline during games.

Actually it is not. It is more of a formality title (but does lead to you being temp HC if the HC ends up ill or out for some other reason). Marinelli is Asst Head Coach/Def Line Coach right now in Tampa Bay and I guarantee he is not over Monte Kiffin

I watched them interview H. Edwards as he was getting into this car yesterday. I don't recall him saying gunther is being retained as DC. I just heard him say, Gunther is not leaving.

damnit :cuss:
Not quite, I'm suggesting Co Defensive Coordinator in addition to Asst HC. Maybe that's what you meant, but that's not what I saw you say.

Gun is the players favorite, but is in inept in game planning and playcalling which could quite feasable at a coaching standpoint. If Gun really does fuck up again Marinelli would slide in, and have full control of the D.

How about Marinelli as D-Line Coach, and Assistant HC?

picky bastiges...


Assistant Head Coach/Defensive Coordinator > Defensive Coordinator


the very action of adding Assistant head coach TO defensive coordinator makes it higher.


and yes, if you had the assistant head coach to the title of Piss Boy it doesn't make it higher than Defensive coordinator.




man, everyone is looking to argue today ... cranking beotches :)

Should have known someone would have already pointed that out.

I doubt Gun would go for any of this.

Herm: "Gee, Gun, I really prefer a cover 2 zone over your crazy and ineffective blitzes."

Gun: "Umm, OK, whatever you say, sir"

Herm: "Do you think you could just teach a whole new scheme, that would suit my style a bit more"

Gun: "Umm, OK."

Herm: "And, by the way, here's my new hand-picked asst. HC who you have to answer to if you have any questions. Gunther-Rod, Rod-Gunther."

Gun: "Umm, OK."

Herm: "Consider him Mike Shanahan, and you Jake Plummer. Get it?".

Gun: "Umm, OK."

Rod: "Gunther, SIT! Good boy."

It would be nice to have all these "defensive minds" on one staff, but how would they suit each other. Gunther sticks out like a sore thumb with Herm and Rod. :shrug:

I don't see why Gunter can't adopt a new scheme. I don't see why he would have a problem with it. If it's effective, adopt it. He's a defensive coach, not a religous leader. It's not about the doctrine, it's about the results.

Gun will be their just to keep the players fired up and happy, but Marinelli and Edwards would do the gameplanning and playcalling.

That's like asking Al Saunders to coach the WCO. These co-ordinators adopt and hone their own individual philosophies over years of coaching. I really doubt Gun can just flip over to the other side. He can probably adjust his scheme to compromise, but I can't see him adopting a new scheme and being an effective implementer of it. JMO.

Just what we need, more cheerleaders I don't want to have sex with...

doop.

I see that point, but it sounds like a demotion to me. I doubt Gun would be happy being the cheerleader on the sidelines, and somebody else gets to do the playcalling, gameplanning and in-game adjustments. In that case, he is nothing more than a defensive assistant with a bigger title :shrug:.

I thought you said Asst HC/defensive specialist (whatever one of those is I am pretty sure it is not a DC)

So give me some help here, what is a defensive specialists job?

What do think his position stood as HC?

just another made up title that i figured they would use to spare gunther's feelings.


if they use co-defensive coordinator it would make Gunther feel slighted or look slighted.

but if they used assistant head coach/defensive "insert funky label here" then gunther can maintain the illusion that it was his defense.



doesn't really matter what the label is ... i just think that if Marenilli doesn't get a head coaching gig the chiefs might try and steal him away as more a true Assistant head coach to help our defense.


as long as marenilli stays in tampa bay, it's going to monte kippin's defense, not his. This gives marenilli a chance to move up and build his own defense ... since he would be above Gunther.

there is no new scheme, and there is no marinelli coming here. We will simply add more of the cover 2 to augment our existing man to man schemes. Look for heads to roll in the safety & db positions though. Woods for sure, and as many as three of these names - bartee, wesley, knight, warfield, mccleon, battle, and possibly bell.

link?

I keep hearing this talk about dumping guys like Wesley and Warfield but WTF are we going to replace them with? They have no one under them that can perform any better.

We don't need to create even bigger holes while trying to fill the ones we'll already have at T, DT, DE, and CB...

Well Geez, does that mean we are keeping Woods and Washington.

Being as I heard Herm himself say he was still going to try to hire Marinelli (though for what position he did not say) and that was after the Gun retention was announced. I have to disagree with you certainty. You are just speculating and your speculation is no better and no worse than ours.

I like others have said, it seems that the Chiefs are in pursuit of Marinelli.Therefore, we will have to wait and see what transpires.

Only more annoying...

Look at the Gregg Williams situation in Washington. Williams isn't the defensive coordinator, Greg Blache is. Williams is the "Assistant Head Coach - Defense".

We could offer Marinelli the same type of position. And I imagine we'd have to offer him the same type of pay to get him to choose this job over numerous better opportunities.