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cdcox 04-01-2006 04:23 PM

Franchise QBs
 
This is going to be a poll.

My buddy and I are trying to develop criteria for drafting, finding, grooming a franchise QB. First we need to know what a franchice QB is. So we looked at everyone who made the probowl from 1980-2005. That list we then sorted according to yes definitely a franchise QB, maybe, and no, definitely not a franchie QB.

Here is a list of definites, FYI:

Brady, Tom
Manning, Peyton
McNair, Steve
Palmer, Carson
Brunell, Mark
Elway, John
Moon, Warren
Marino, Dan
Esiason, Boomer
Montana, Joe
Kelly, Jim
Culpepper, Dante
McNabb, Don
Favre, Brett
Young, Steve
Aikman, Troy
Warner, Kurt
Cunningham, Randall
Simms, Phil
Theismann, Joe
Kosar, Bernie
Fouts, Dan
Anderson, Ken
White, Danny
Jaworski, Ron

We want you to vote on the maybe's. Do you consider any of the guys in the poll to be franchise QBs?

StcChief 04-01-2006 04:45 PM

Green because of his time here...
also....

Flutie
Fouts
Farve
Montana

Sully 04-01-2006 04:47 PM

Everett, McMahon and Green. All during short windows, not their entire careers. Vick wants to be, but has NO IDEA how.

Logical 04-01-2006 05:06 PM

Not a one of those guys is a franchise QB, and the Homers who voted for Trent Green are deluding themselves. Those who vote for Michael Vick are voting for a franchise Runningback playing out of position.

jspchief 04-01-2006 05:09 PM

Who the hell is Jeff Hasselbeck?

cdcox 04-01-2006 05:11 PM

Of the 25 slam dunk franchise QBs:

6 went to pack 10 schools'
6 went to Big East Schools (we've included Miami and ND in this catagory)
1 each went to the Big10, Big 12, SEC, and ACC
1 each for BYU and UNLV
7 went to tiny no-where schools

That's pretty interesting right there.

JBucc 04-01-2006 05:11 PM

Right now none probably. Trent could have been and Delhomme and Brees might be but for now I'll say none.

cdcox 04-01-2006 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jspchief
Who the hell is Jeff Hasselbeck?

You know, Matt "Jeff" Hasselbeck.

HemiEd 04-01-2006 05:39 PM

I would say none on the list of maybes. Drew Brees may end up being one and Bledsoe was supposed to be but failed IMO. If Bledsoe had half the leadership skills that Trent Green has, he would be.

cdcox 04-01-2006 06:42 PM

Again regarding the 25 slam dunk franchise QBs:

11 were drafted in the first round and starred for the team that drafted them
7 were drafted in later rounds and sarred for the team that drafted them
2 were FA
5 were drafted by teams other than who they starred for

Logical 04-01-2006 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdcox
This is going to be a poll.

My buddy and I are trying to develop criteria for drafting, finding, grooming a franchise QB. First we need to know what a franchice QB is. So we looked at everyone who made the probowl from 1980-2005. That list we then sorted according to yes definitely a franchise QB, maybe, and no, definitely not a franchie QB.

Here is a list of definites, FYI:

Brady, Tom
Manning, Peyton
McNair, Steve
Palmer, Carson
Brunell, Mark
Elway, John
Moon, Warren
Marino, Dan
Esiason, Boomer
Montana, Joe
Kelly, Jim
Culpepper, Dante
McNabb, Don
Favre, Brett
Young, Steve
Aikman, Troy
Warner, Kurt
Cunningham, Randall
Simms, Phil
Theismann, Joe
Kosar, Bernie
Fouts, Dan
Anderson, Ken
White, Danny
Jaworski, Ron

We want you to vote on the maybe's. Do you consider any of the guys in the poll to be franchise QBs?


Course I don't consider these five as franchise QBs either.

McNair, Steve
White, Danny
McNair, Steve
Brunell, Mark
McNabb, Don

cdcox 04-01-2006 06:55 PM

Since 1981, the 25 franchise QBs have been SB starters in 33 of the possible 52 opportunites.

I think it is amazing that there have been only 25 franchise QBs during this time. That's well under one per team over a 26 year period. There just aren't enough of them to go around.

cdcox 04-01-2006 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav
Course I don't consider these five as franchise QBs either.

McNair, Steve
White, Danny
McNair, Steve
Brunell, Mark
McNabb, Don

Some of these, and a few more on the list could be debatable. Our main purpose was to get a database that we could analyze to get some insight into how to find a franchise QB.

HemiEd 04-01-2006 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav
Course I don't consider these five as franchise QBs either.

McNair, Steve
White, Danny
McNair, Steve
Brunell, Mark
McNabb, Don

Was there someone you left off?

milkman 04-01-2006 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav
Course I don't consider these five as franchise QBs either.

McNair, Steve
White, Danny
McNair, Steve
Brunell, Mark
McNabb, Don

Hell, I wouldn't consider almost half that list, maybe even more, franchise QBs.

To be a franchise QB, he must play at a high level for several years, and be the clear team leader.

cdcox 04-01-2006 07:13 PM

In the period 1982 - 2003, there were 44 QBs drafted in the first round. Only 11 appear on the franchise QB list. That's 1/4. It's a crapshoot I tell you, a crap shoot.

Chief Roundup 04-01-2006 09:34 PM

I wouldn't consider Kurt Warner a franchise QB either.

Logical 04-01-2006 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HemiEd
Was there someone you left off?

Yup Mark Brunell, thanks

HemiEd 04-01-2006 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav
Yup Mark Brunell, thanks

You are welcome!
That explains it, easily left out.

Halfcan 04-01-2006 10:14 PM

You forgot Todd Blackledge.

Ultra Peanut 04-01-2006 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdcox
You know, Matt "Jeff" Hasselbeck.

The brother of Matt Hostettler.


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