Allright, you KU fans, what's the latest on the NCAA Violations?
 

Haven't seen anything in print, but a buddy of mine says that most of the allegations are with FB and MBB.

Anyone?

They don't exist. It's only other schools that get violations.

There are none. We never cheat. Maybe you meant Mizzou. :shrug:

Heh.

Not this time. When your head football coach gets caught cheating on his Certification Exam, that's a problem - and a violation .

It will be interesting to see how our feathered friends try and talk their way out of this. The squirming should be fun to watch.

:)

Well it's only about academic fraud so it’s not like it's a real violation that means anything.

Take your pick from some of the likely ones:

-It's no big deal
-Yeah, well, your violations are worse than our violations
-We self-reported so they don't matter
-Every school does it, we just got caught
-Compare self to Missouri in some way (oops! That one already got run out there!)

Yeah, I'm down with #2 and #5.

Yep look our problems are rearing their ugly heads... just like Mizzou had their problems, and eventually (inevitable with Huggins) KSU...

Yep!


Jay Hawkers don't cheat; your thinking of Sooners. :D

Academic fraud is just about the worst violation there can be (in terms of the NCAA).

worse than raping strippers?

Oh shit. I went there

I think it's mainly the FB program who is ****ed.

The NCAA may care about academic fraud but Kansans don’t, but then what would you expect from a state more interested in forcing pseudoscience down children’s throats and forcing the suburbs to under fund their school districts.

Ha haaa. A Missourian putting down Kansas schools. Taken a look at KC schools recently?

THE NCAA'S ALLEGATIONS AGAINST KU

10 major, one secondary -- made against the Kansas athletic department from 1997-2005. KU self-reported most allegations to the NCAA in June 2005. Unnamed players and coaches have been redacted by KU.

FOOTBALL

1. Unethical conduct

In August 2003, a graduate assistant football coach arranged to receive a Math 110 exam (a correspondence course from Brigham Young) for a prospective player from the player's proctor. The exam was provided to the player with the understanding that he could take it without a proctor present.

2. Unethical conduct

In August 2003, a graduate assistant football coach provided answers to questions for a Geology 101 exam (a correspondence course from Brigham Young) to two prospective players while they completed the exams in the coach's dorm room during fall football camp.

3. Recruiting

In the summer of 2003, athletic department staffers provided impermissible assistance to seven prospective football players who lived on campus in order to work out and complete online correspondence courses prior to enrollment. That includes using support services facilities, hiring local high school teacher Jama Crady as a proctor, impermissible transportation between campus and Crady's high school, training table meals, use of workout facilities and nutritional supplements following workout sessions.

4. Recruiting

In the spring of 2003, assistant football coach Tyrone Dixon provided prospective player Monroe Weekley a KU rain jacket, sweatshirt and baseball cap while on a recruiting visit in Aliquippa, Pa. (Weekley played for KU in 2003.) In August 2003, Dixon provided Weekley with about 16 casual collared shirts that Dixon had owned and worn so that Weekley could be in compliance with the team's dress code.

5. Recruiting; contact and evaluation of prospects

On Nov. 23, 2003 and Dec. 12, 2004, graduate assistant football coaches had impermissible off-campus contact with prospective players while they drove them from campus to the prospects' homes before their official paid visits.

MEN'S BASKETBALL

6. Recruiting; benefits, gifts and services

From 2003-05, Don Davis, a representative of KU athletic interests, provided Darnell Jackson and Jackson's family with improper benefits while Jackson was being recruited by KU and after he enrolled. Among the allegations:

• Davis provided Jackson and Jackson's family transportation to games, gifts and lodging while Jackson was being recruited.

• Davis drove Jackson from Oklahoma City to six KU home games (valued at $534).

• Davis drove Jackson's mother and grandmother to a summer all-star game (valued at $28).

• In 2003 and 2004, Davis drove Jackson's younger brother to restaurants and purchased his meals; to movies and junior high football games, paying for his admission.

• Davis drove Jackson to St. Louis for KU's third and fourth NCAA Tournament games in March 2004 (valued at $140). He also paid for meals and hotel (valued at $89). He also provided Jackson free admission into the games.

• In June 2004, upon Jackson's high school graduation, Davis bought three shirts and three pairs of shorts for Jackson from Burlington Coat Factory (valued at $120).

• In June 2004, Davis drove Jackson and his mother to KU for Jackson's initial enrollment. He drove Jackson's mother back to Oklahoma City (total value of $90).

• In December 2004, Davis made arrangements for Jackson's mother to purchase Jackson's 1996 Chevrolet S-10 pickup for $2,500, with the agreement that Jackson's mother would make a $500 down payment and pay Davis $150 a month with no interest to pay off the balance.

• In February 2005, Davis provided Jackson's mother with a $2,400 loan so she could buy a 1995 Honda Passport ($4,900) for Jackson. Jackson's mother traded in the pickup truck for $2,500 and needed Davis' assistance to play the remaining $2,400.

• In 2004 and 2005, Davis at least eight times drove Jackson's mother or younger from OKC to Lawrence for games (value of $712). He also allowed Jackson's mother to drive his vehicle to at least two games.

• Between 12-15 times in 2004 and 2005, David bought meals for Jackson and/or his family after games (valued at $120).

• On multiple occasions in 2004 and 2005, Davis bought groceries and toiletries for Jackson (valued at $100).

• In November 2004, Davis bought a $100 Wal-Mart gift card for Jackson as a birthday gift.

• At least five times in 2004 or 2005, Davis gave Jackson cash, typically $5 each time (value of $25).

• After Jackson's initial enrollment in 2004, David bought a fan for Jackson (value of $20).

• At least five times in 2004 or 2005, Davis allowed Jackson to drive his vehicle around Lawrence (value of $17.50).

7. Benefits, gifts and services

In 2003-04 and 2004-05, Davis provided J.R. Giddens and Giddens' family improper benefits while Giddens was enrolled at KU. Among the allegations:

• During the 2003-04 and 2004-05 seasons, Davis drove Giddens' mother to four KU games: at Texas Christian, Missouri, and two games in Lawrence (total value of $367).

• At least twice during the summer of 2005, Davis drove Giddens from his home to Wichita so that Giddens could see a doctor about his leg injury. Davis also drove Giddens back home from Lawrence to collect his belongings (total value of $90).

• During the summer of 2005, Davis allowed Giddens to use his vehicle once.

• During the summer of 2004, Davis bought a meal for an unnamed player at a restaurant near KU with an approximate $25 value. The next summer, Davis bought meals for Giddens and Jackson worth $7 each. Davis drove the players from campus to the restaurant and back. Davis also bought a meal for an unnamed player for $10.

8. Benefits, gifts and services

From 1987-88 through 2003-04, at least three people (Dana Anderson, Joan Edwards, Bernard Morgan) with interest in the KU athletic department provided gifts, including cash, to graduating men's basketball players. Gifts ranged from $25-400, lifetime alumni association memberships, and suits.

WOMEN'S BASKETBALL

9. Recruiting

In the fall of 2002, former assistant women's coach Tim Eatman provided impermissible transportation to an unnamed prospective player by driving her from an off-campus dormitory to an on-campus testing facility.

MULTIPLE PROGRAMS

10. Secondary violations

From 1997-98 through 2002-03, there are 26 allegations of secondary violations. Those violations are not uncommon, though in this case they went unreported by KU for some time. Allegations range from an assistant baseball coach recruiting before he has passed a certification test to overpaying a prospective track athlete mileage money by $20.

ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT

11. Lack of institutional control

From 1997-98 to 2002-03, the NCAA alleges that the KU athletic department "demonstrated a failure to exert appropriate institutional control and monitoring in the conduct and administration of its athletics program... "Among the allegations:

• KU left its compliance auditor position vacant for 20 months between August 1997 and December 2002, even though members of the compliance staff had complained of a lack of manpower in the program.

• The department failed to report secondary violations in a timely manner from December 1997 to March 2003.

• The department failed to provide NCAA rules education to "representatives of athletics interests" from at least 1997-98 to 2002-03.

• Football staff and support services staff were aware that prospective football players were living on campus from May-August 2003, yet they didn't attempt to determine what services were available to those prospects.

I think you are confusing reports about Huggin's activities at KSU.....with KU. :D

:p

No, KSU doesn't need illegal inducements to attract blue chippers. They are beating down the doors to get to beautiful downtown Manhattan.

Yea I have, North Kansas City School District, Liberty School District, Parkville School District and Lee’s Summit School District are all School Districts which support residents of the city of Kansas City, and in fact the majority of residents in the City attend these school districts.

Also you may want to look at the standards utilized by the state of Kansas for its schools; they are some of the lowest in the nation (although they are currently looking at raising those standards to be more in line with the avg. standards found in the US)

What does that have to do with anything?

I was answering Brock's question he poised to me about the KC School districts.

Are you serious? KC's schools are among the worst in the COUNTRY.

Prove it.

The districts I have mentioned have all recived awards for academics.

The North Kansas City school district has one of the top ELL courses in the nation.

And Lawrence has the no. 2 rated public school system in the country.

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3aa53a573332.htm

Yeah....you oughta be really proud.

Ok I know this is going to be hard for you, but the article you posted is about the Kansas City School District.

The Kansas City School District services less the half of the children in the city of Kansas City.

North Kansas City School District
Parkville School District
Liberty School District
Lee’s Summit School District
Independence School District

Educate more than half of the Children that reside in the City of Kansas City.
The name of school district has nothing to do with the cities or counties they reside in.

In other words, you're going to ignore the parts that don't agree with your pristine view of Missouri public schools. Why not, most of Missouri does it too.

You can't paint the whole state of Missouri with the KCMO school district brush. Talk to the voters who are electing the pathetic KCMO school board members.

Of course not. But you can apparently paint the entire state of Kansas with the religious brush, and be entirely accurate and justified.

Not ignoring anything, the Kansas City School District sucks, yet it services less than half of the students in the City of Kansas City.

The suburban school districts educate more than half of the students who reside in the city of Kansas City.

I was merely refuting your statement that the "Kansas City School Districts are the worst in the nation".

If you want to only talk about the Kansas City School District I concur the courts have made it the worst in the country, but if you want to talk about the School Districts that operate in the City of Kansas City lets talk about all of them and not broad brush them with the Kansas City School District stain.

What? You don't think some religion has anyting to do with the football program providing test answers to its players? What are you, some kind of a nut job?

When they run the state school board you can.

He was obviously referring to the well-known ineptitude of the KCMO school district. Either his statement seriously flew over your head, or you are purposefully obtuse. Either way I thought his meaning was obvious.

I'm an MU fan, and I hate Kansas as much as the next guy, but what the f*** does the the state school board have to do with a tutor passing along test questions?

Your and idiot.

Not being obtuse at all, if you are going to talk about the Kansas City School District do so, if you are going to talk about school districts in Kansas City that is another thing.

It’s not a matter of semantics it’s a matter of accuracy, for too long people have claimed don’t move into the City because the Schools are bad, when the truth is only one District servicing the City is bad.

Thank you, Mr. Maher. Like there isn't a bill run up the flagpole every year in Missouri demanding intelligent design be taught.

Everyone knows what he was talking about including you. You are just tyring to pin him down on semantics because of the weakness of your smack on the state of Kansas, et al.

The language in #11 (Lack of institutional control) is significant. KU could be in real trouble. Here's a link to the entire laundry list:
http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/...to_pdf/ggg.pdf

My how everyone wants to witness the fall of rome!!!!

If you can't ascend to their level, drag them down to yours.

Eh, KU is doing all of the dragging themselves.

Thanks for the laugh.

Kansas isn't the Rome of college basketball... if there's anybody that is, it's Duke.

I thought that lack of institutional control was THE most serious violation the NCAA can level at your school. I think Oklahoma was facing it and were trying to plea bargain it down, weren't they?

May be.....but to the lowly Tigers and Wildcats....we might as well be.

LOL, It didn't take long for ku fans to come in here and spin the issue.

good job guys.

I can't speak for every Tiger fan, but I know to me and my friends/school mates, kU is the scum we wipe off the bottom of our shoes after a trip through the sewer.

Rome? Hardly. The Mongol hordes? Possibly.

If you want to be worshipped, call us when you can get out of the first round.

This is deja vu....but I have to get back to work...

But remember this....you have to get to the tourney to be able to lose in the first round!

So, which rival fan is going to go out on a limb and predict that the NCAA will find KU's internal actions insufficient and will order more punishment? Anyone? Bueller?

ROFL ROFL

I'm not the one calling my team the Rome of basketball programs.

:stupid:

no chit.

Take your gdamn lumps and quit pointing the fingers at someone else.

KU is on trial for cheating. They got caught cheating. They're cheaters. It's obvious there was cheating involved. Did I mention cheating? :)

Reminds me of the Hank Williams tune
"Your cheeeeatin' Hawks......"

But doesn't anybody realize? kU fans are the classiest and most well-informed in the country. kU runs the cleanest athletic program in the country. kU is the most storied basketball program in history (who cares if so many other teams have more championships). and all fans of kU's rivals are jealous—that's the only reason anyone could ever say anything negative about kU.

There is nothing quite like a whining MUron. Hahahahaha

Funniest shiot I've read in weeks.

Since the huggy bear has been hired, I've watched toucan fans proclaim murder, mayhem and probabtion is on the horizen for KSU.

And all they can say today is, "I don't root for aKademic fraUd university in football."

Yeah, it's almost as cool as a senile, delusional Chickenhawker who calls sarcastic humor whining.

I'll bet you didn't know that KSU's nickname was "Farmers" for a few years. That is hilarious. The K-State Farmers. I love it!!!!!

Jesus, dude chill the f**k out. All that hate is actually making you look like a dumbsh*t.

Well that's true. No one does...............

Mmmm. Bitterness.

I like farmers.

As long as the nickname wasn't the academic frauds....

Bitterness? Nah. Playful, sarcastic mockery, yeah.

And Metro... just playing around, man.

Would you like to rehash your statements about the importance of academics in student/athletes in light of Mr. "Graduation is Severely Overrated" Huggins?

If ya want us to give ya props, try making the tournament now and then.

not enough spin for you?

The difference, these kids won't have a problem in school, but at least KSU isn't giving them open book tests and every other possibility to make requirements...so let me ask this..

which is the lesser evil...kids that cheat through school to make grades to get in/stay in school or kids that just fail. Either way, it's a shitty way to go.

It must suck to be looking up from the bottom of the standings every year only to see KU ahead of your favorite team.

:p


:D

I expect there will be some hard slapping on the football and womens basketball scholarships. Not sure about the mens.... we will find out soon.

On a side note, how can a family just jump up and sell there house for 2 years and follow their kid to Manhattan, Ks to watch their son play for just 2 years ? Mom and Dad wanted him to play in the SEC in order to travel to the games, cut expenses, keep their home.

Sell a house, buy a house , travel for 2 years, resell current house , re-buy house again ...... Are they rich or something like that ?

Well see, first you give his Dad a job as head of basketball operations....

Is this what Huggy did ?


Damn, I knew it was something. :p

Age old trick...... plus it's legal !

If I'm not mistaken, so is selling your house.

pretty sure bennet will get to pay them back for the move in a couple years, so it doesn't much matter.

forgot to mention as well...did anyone fail to notice that holloway is not being recruited anymore because of his lack of grades in high school? perhaps ksu isn't a win at all costs team afterall....ah forget it, KU fans are still going to rag ksu fans anyways, they will just move on to more nickel and dime BS to make them feel better, like usual.

What the ****?

You all need to chill out and zip your pants up. :shake:

Shut up you dumb Farmer.

I agree. MBB will get a slap on the hand. FB and WBB will get brutalized.

Everybody got that?

Tactical Funky says chill and zip.

Tactical Funky is and idiot. Or Jayhawkerman20000001's sock.

People in the KU athletic department ****ed up. They did some stupid things and the school should/will be punished for it. There is no defending it.

Continue your juvenile, see-saw, "haha you suck," argument.