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Hammock Parties 09-27-2006 01:06 AM

KC Star - Vermeil: KC will be fine
 
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansas...s/15616180.htm

Vermeil: KC will be fine

Chiefs’ former coach says things don’t look that different under Edwards from when he was there.

By ELIZABETH MERRILL
The Kansas City Star

A full day’s work, these days, is filling 60-gallon barrels of cabernet. They give the menial jobs to the guys who know nothing, Dick Vermeil jokes, and he loaded six vessels of the red stuff on Monday. With a Chiefs cap on his head and his wife, Carol, beside him wearing a No. 88 Tony Gonzalez jersey, Vermeil is rested and happy, but it’s obvious he hasn’t forgotten.

He’s made a couple of calls to Kansas City. They used to talk every Tuesday, coach to coach, and now both of them say there’s nothing strange even though Herm Edwards has Vermeil’s old job and the franchise seems to be as different as merlot and Coors Light.

“I’m confident they’ll be fine,” Vermeil said. “There’s a period of adjustment for changeover. I don’t think it’s a dramatic changeover because Herm and I have a very similar approach to working with players and coaches. His process is a little different probably than mine. Each coach has his own way of making things more important.”

Roughly 1,800 miles from Napa Valley, Edwards spent another Tuesday trying to tell reporters that he wants to score touchdowns and he’s not Vermeil’s younger, more amped-up alter-ego. His Chiefs are 0-2 and face what many are calling a must-win Sunday against San Francisco.

Statisticians would call it a complete makeover. The Chiefs’ defense, the forgotten chapter of the Vermeil era, is ranked No. 7 in the NFL. And his beloved No. 1 offense sits near the bottom at 27th.

At one point Tuesday, Edwards said the defense is a work in progress, and that the paint hadn’t totally dried. On offense, the colors haven’t even been mixed. But Kansas City’s high-falutin’ machine has taken two serious hits recently — first 11-time Pro Bowl tackle Willie Roaf announced his retirement, then veteran quarterback Trent Green was knocked unconscious in the season opener.

What followed was 16 points in the first two games, and the new coach being labeled conservative. Edwards has taken exception to that, and so has Vermeil.

“The system’s the same,” Vermeil said. “I don’t think they’re not trying to score, you know? I know the coaches. I’ve talked with them. They’ve had some pass protection problems, and that limits you some. And sometimes there’s a little different approach to using the same scheme. But I think they’ll hit a happy medium, a very pleasant medium with the offense. It’ll be very efficient.”

Much of the offensive staff is Vermeil holdovers. He’s called to give Mike Solari, the new offensive coordinator, an ear. He knows offensive line coach John Matsko from their days in St. Louis.

Rarely does an old regime leave with so many ties. But this Edwards says, is all he knows. He met Vermeil and Chiefs president/general manager Carl Peterson when he was about 17 years old and they were trying to recruit him to UCLA. Throughout his career, Edwards has leaned on three people — Vermeil, Indianapolis coach Tony Dungy and Peterson. He calls them family.

“They give you a perspective,” Edwards said. “When you get into this bubble as a head coach, they give you the reality check. One thing I learned when I became the head coach, when you’re an assistant guy, and it’s great being an assistant coach because you’re always hanging in the other guys’ offices going through the game plan.

“When you’re the head coach, you sit in your office and no one ever comes to see you unless they’ve got problems. So I hang out in the rooms just to talk to somebody. It’s a lonely spot, and I didn’t realize that until I learned that from Tony. He always said, ‘Every once in a while, just come down and make sure I’m alive, would you please?’ Because it’s hard. You need people you can talk to.”

Most times, Peterson says, colleagues call when something goes right. But Vermeil is there even when things go wrong. They talk on Fridays now, and maybe Vermeil will remind Edwards this week about the times he started slow in New York and made it to the playoffs. Maybe they’ll talk about everything but football.

Vermeil splits his time between his ranch in Pennsylvania and his family winery in Napa Valley, and says he doesn’t miss a lot of things about football, especially the losing. He said he’s missed the Chiefs’ first two games because he was doing “Monday Night Football” one week and his satellite dish was out the other.

He’ll do some broadcasting work for the NFL Network later this season, and one of the games he’ll work is the Chiefs-Raiders on Dec. 23. Vermeil expects to see them in a rhythm by then. And then maybe people won’t think they’re all that different.

“Everybody has their own process,” he said. “Herman never coached for me. He played for me. He’s got a heavy Dungy influence because he coached for Tony. Each coach is a little bit unique.

“I’m hoping he does it a little bit better so he can get Lamar Hunt one of those trophies.”

luv 09-27-2006 01:10 AM

Oh yeah. Not much has changed. :rolleyes:

Hammock Parties 09-27-2006 01:11 AM

I think this article blows. Dick didn't even watch the games, yet he knows we're going to be fine?

luv 09-27-2006 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs
I think this article blows. Dick didn't even watch the games, yet he knows we're going to be fine?

But he's made a couple of calls to KC. I'm sure they filled him in on everything.[/sarcasm]

tk13 09-27-2006 01:16 AM

Hard to watch games from under the bus, under the bus.

luv 09-27-2006 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13
Hard to watch games from under the bus, under the bus.

I like it when you post. I guess I should read what you're saying, too.


:)

ChiefFan31 09-27-2006 01:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13
Hard to watch games from under the bus, under the bus.

Thats what I was thinking. I respect the guy for saying good things about the Chiefs, even after he has been repeatedly thrown under the Bus...

HemiEd 09-27-2006 06:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13
Hard to watch games from under the bus, under the bus.

Exactly, yet Vermeil takes the high road.
.

Deberg_1990 09-27-2006 06:18 AM

They dont look much differernt?? Thats not very encouraging.

2112 09-27-2006 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs
I think this article blows. Dick didn't even watch the games, yet he knows we're going to be fine?

He has to back his hand picked successor!!

Regardless of whether he watched the games or not

MichaelH 09-27-2006 06:21 AM

Quote:

Chiefs’ former coach says things don’t look that different under Edwards from when he was there.
So the defense is still doomed?

TN_Chief 09-27-2006 06:22 AM

Vermiel is (1) a nice guy and (2) friends with Herm and Carl. Does anyone think he'd actually be critical of them in public? I respect what he's doing...but I don't believe a word of it.

Cormac 09-27-2006 06:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13
Hard to watch games from under the bus, under the bus.

ROFL

Cormac 09-27-2006 06:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bill parcells
He has to back his hand picked successor!!

Regardless of whether he watched the games or not

Herm was handpicked by DV? That's the first anybody's heard of that. As far as I understood it, DV was kicked to the curb at the end of that contract and CP brought in Herm. I'd even venture to guess DV might have stayed on if offered another short contract. On top of that, Al Saunders was definitely DV's successor-of-choice, IMO. But let's attribute another questionable decision to DV while we're at it.....:rolleyes:

Cormac 09-27-2006 06:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HemiEd
Exactly, yet Vermeil takes the high road.
.

High road?

HemiEd 09-27-2006 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cormac
High road?

He had nothing but good things to say about the current Chiefs management. Even though Herm, Carl and Gunther have all thrown him under the bus since he left.

htismaqe 09-27-2006 07:36 AM

If Vermeil says something good about the team, he's either 1) uninformed or 2) a shill.

I know exactly what would be said here if he had said something bad:

"I knew it! We should have kept Vermeil!"

StcChief 09-27-2006 07:43 AM

Under The bus? Coaches are their own frat.....
no matter where they are? doing a job for a team.

The transitions exist, injury happens.

retirements could have been predicated, they were somewhat addressed by Turley, hoping Sampson/Black would develop at RT.

milkman 09-27-2006 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HemiEd
Exactly, yet Vermeil takes the high road.
.

So the bus had to drive uphill?

kc rush 09-27-2006 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansas...s/15616180.htm

With a Chiefs cap on his head and his wife, Carol, beside him wearing a No. 88 Tony Gonzalez jersey...


All the ladies wear No. 88.

Frazod 09-27-2006 09:32 AM

This is the same assclown who thought our 2004 defense was the best he'd ever seen.

I won't even condescend to read this crap.

Chiefs Pantalones 09-27-2006 09:39 AM

DV saying that makes me feel so much better

ROFL

Fish 09-27-2006 10:28 AM

Rather pointless article....

ck_IN 09-27-2006 10:29 AM

What he really means is 'Damm I'm glad I got out in time. That house of cards I built could be falling down on me right now'.

Cormac 09-27-2006 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HemiEd
He had nothing but good things to say about the current Chiefs management. Even though Herm, Carl and Gunther have all thrown him under the bus since he left.

Gotcha.

HC_Chief 09-27-2006 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HemiEd
He had nothing but good things to say about the current Chiefs management. Even though Herm, Carl and Gunther have all thrown him under the bus since he left.

IMHO they threw Saunders "under the bus", not DV. DV is still precious to them.

chiefsfan1963 09-27-2006 10:40 AM

DV is a class act he is sorely missed by many. He did great things for this franchise. I'm am sorry he was not able to accomplish getting and winning another SB here.

Our O was one of the most productive in the league for past 5 years. I will miss DV's and AS's O during the Herm regime.

milkman 09-27-2006 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefsfan1963
DV is a class act he is sorely missed by many. He did great things for this franchise. I'm am sorry he was not able to accomplish getting and winning another SB here.

Our O was one of the most productive in the league for past 5 years. I will miss DV's and AS's O during the Herm regime.

They did great things?

Like what?

Offense scored a lot of points?
Big freakin' deal.

Dick and Al didn't accomplish jack.
They played one playoff game in five years.

Not only did they not get to, and win a SB.
They didn't sniff the ****er.

I don't give a flying rat's ass about records.
I want to win a freakin' SB.

FAX 09-27-2006 10:58 AM

I liked having the #1 offense in the league, Mr. chiefsfan1963, no problem.

But, other teams get to go to the playoffs and stuff. I think that would be nice to do someday.

FAX

chiefsfan1963 09-27-2006 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAX
I liked having the #1 offense in the league, Mr. chiefsfan1963, no problem.

But, other teams get to go to the playoffs and stuff. I think that would be nice to do someday.

FAX

Hopefully Herm will get us there. We'll find out these next 3 years. But what ever happens I will miss our exciting O when DV was HC.

I'm thinking this year is a bust and Herm can hide behind the fact that we lost our #1 QB and the retirements of Roaf and Welbourn. He will get 2 more years after that. If nothing happens I will look forward to CP finally leaving and seeing a new GM put in place.

Halfcan 09-27-2006 12:16 PM

I feel much better now.

FloridaMan88 09-27-2006 12:40 PM

God I miss Vermeil

Hammock Parties 09-27-2006 12:53 PM

Why?

Frazod 09-27-2006 12:56 PM

Time to add another vermeilophile to my ignore list.

2112 09-27-2006 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cormac
Herm was handpicked by DV? That's the first anybody's heard of that. As far as I understood it, DV was kicked to the curb at the end of that contract and CP brought in Herm. I'd even venture to guess DV might have stayed on if offered another short contract. On top of that, Al Saunders was definitely DV's successor-of-choice, IMO. But let's attribute another questionable decision to DV while we're at it.....:rolleyes:

Well..DV was the only person on the planet earth to publicly nominate Herm for coach of the year honors last year :rolleyes:

So I would assume he would be one of his top picks to replace himself JMO

FAX 09-27-2006 12:56 PM

I miss his sensitivity, his grandfatherly manner, and his courage to show his emotions in public.

But, most of all I miss his ability to get Willie Roaf to play football.

FAX

FringeNC 09-27-2006 02:33 PM

Sunday is the big test for this team. I am a so-called Vermeilophile, but am willing to cut Edwards some slack given the Roaf and Green absences. That slack ends Sunday. Is our line that bad now? I think Sampson is a big upgrade over Black. The rest of the line is at least average at every position, and significantly above average at the guard position.

Backup QBs are supposed to be able to perform. There are simply no excuses for Sunday. A home game against a very bad defensive team. I expect our running game to be dominant, which should clear out the secondary enough for Huard to have wide-open receivers all game long.

If we don't beat the 49ers, stick a fork in this team, and play Croyle the rest of the year. Let Green return next year.

|Zach| 09-27-2006 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefsfan1963
DV is a class act he is sorely missed by many. He did great things for this franchise. I'm am sorry he was not able to win a single playoff game here.

Our O was one of the most productive in the league for past 5 years. I will miss DV's and AS's O during the Herm regime.

I fixed your post.

milkman 09-27-2006 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod
Time to add another vermeilophile to my ignore list.

So what you're saying is that some of these guys, like Chiefsfan63, have a Dick fetish?


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