Who wins tonight Cards or Mets
 

Who wins tonight??

Mets or Cards.....

Let's see, I'll get world series tickets if the cards win......so it'll probably be the mets

Let's see, if the Mets when, I'll be flying to New York and going to Shea Stadium and, um, well, sitting in the Shea's box. So the Cards will probably win. :(

If the Cards lose a game 7, with the World Series on the line, to 3-13 Oliver Perez, they need to shoot themselves in the face.

I have complete confidence in St. Louis' ability to choke.

I just don't know if it will be this week or next week.

It really doesn't matter IMO.. They both are going to be Tiger food. :)

Well, I'm hoping for the Cards, so the Mets will win.

Part of me actually hopes they lose, just because watching them lurch, stagger and sputter their way through the season and the playoffs has been absolutely grueling. They are not fun to watch, which is a sad statement about a team this far into the playoffs. They are loaded with choke-artists, and I really have zero faith in them to do anything other than aggravate the hell out of me.

And, of course, both of these teams are merely playing for the honor of being slaughtered by the Tigers.

It would be nice to see the Cards celebrate a victory in front of the knuckle-dragging goon Mets fans, though (Jesus, what a bunch of pricks). And it would be nice to have a team I root for win a major championship (I certainly won't be getting one from the Chiefs or Mizzou this year). And the accompanying t-shirt is a plus, especially wearing it in Chicago. :)

So I'll vote Cards. And it is entirely possible that they'll win, because the Mets are capable of sucking enough to choke worse than us. But sadly, I kind of doubt it.

Woo-hoo. :shake:

Metropolitans

The Mets will have the honor of being swept by the Tigers

Suppan (ex.Royal) comes thru Cards win.

If they lose they can use the 'Royals factor' against him.
The new Cubs factor.

'Hamas' Jenkins and his St Louis Cardinals..

I predict it will be a close game, and won late..

I also think 'Hamas' will soil himself tonight..and he better have a pair of depends by his side :D :cuss: :cuss:

The only chance the Cards have is for me to vote for the Mets...there you have it, sword fallen upon for my beloved Cards.

Jeff Suppan is pitching. Mets win.

You Cards fans are a hard bunch... Suppan once beat Roger Clemens in a game 7 to get you guys to the World Series. If he can do that, I think he can beat Oliver freakin' Perez. I'm still flabbergasted that it's game 7 of a playoff series and the Mets are sending a 3-13 pitcher out there.

The Cards have to bench either Edmonds or Rolen tonight and play Taguchi..those 2 guys have been killing them..or sit Encarcion and play Taguchi..

choke?:shake:

They were suppose to get swept by the Padres. They were suppose to get murdered by the Mets. They have the 2nd worst total wins in MLB history to make the playoffs.....Choke...yeah they have underachieved this post season....Hater:harumph:

Worst pitcher ever to start a game 7 by far

Albert comes through yet again-what a stud from Independence!!

Even though Cards fans can be assholes they are still a Missouri team-so I have to root for them.

Cards all the way!

I'm not worried about our pitching. I'm worried about our hitting. The Cards' line up is riddled with holes. Edmonds is pretty much a three-pitch guaranteed strike out in a clutch situation. Rolen is pretty much a guaranteed weak pop up to shallow right out in a clutch situation. These two turds batting consecutively is a flat out disaster.

IMO, Rolen and Eckstein (just too beat up to play effectively) should be benched and replaced with Spiezio and Miles, and Edmonds should be knocked down to 8th in the batting order.

What about Taguchi??

He has been killing the Mets..Taguchi for Encarcion???

UHHHHH last night we had our ace and last years Cy Young award winner. They had a rookie who got sent down to the minors this season because he sucked. Thats why you play the game.....Trivia alert...Who said that? Yogi?

The Cards'll win.

Some are making way too much of Oliver Perez though, or atleast his record. I think he's 2-3 since coming to the Mets. He's certainly off more often than not, but he has the kind of talent where he can throw up a gem if the dice turn up right.

I wouldn't expect Perez to pitch much anyway. Probably 4 innings, even if he's doing well. Randolph is going to try and make this a bullpen game as quickly a possible.

He was in the minors because our rotation was full. He pitched well since he started getting starts at this level. His ERA this year was 3.08 minus the game that Pujols raped him for 7 Ribs.

I'll take the Met's

Suppan isn't near as good on the road as he is in Busch.
His era is 2 runs per game higher.

Works for me. Of course, I doubt if any these things will occur to LaDoucha. :grr:

You dance with the one who brought ya.

The ones who brought us barely won the weakest division in baseball.

Eckstein
Wilson
Pujols
Encarnacion
Rolen
Edmonds
Molina
Belliard
Suppan

Molina and Belliard might be switched, the guy was reading off the lineup quick. No Taguchi tonight though.

Rolen and Edmonds, together as usual. Lovely. Apparently LaRussa missed last night's game. :banghead:

The Mets I hope.

fuck St. Loser.

Hey I hate some of his moves too but they have paid off too.

Letting Weaver pitch the 6th set up our bullpen for the win.

Putting in the left handed Duncan against the left handed pitcher when he has Spiezo on the bench

Holding out Carpenter to win the division and not starting him on short rest in the playoffs.

Remember Edmonds had had a suck azz playoff run until he hit the game 6 winner. Rolen had a suck azz playoff until he hit the game winner in game 7. Those guys can hit. Hopefully they get off their ass and produce tonight.

What did you want them to do?

Send out Steve Trachsel? The guy who basically faked an injury to get off the field because he's such a douchebag?

Or start Darren Oliver, a guy who hasn't started a game in about 4 years?

You act like the Mets had several options here. Pedro is out, Duque is out.

Perez, when on, has electric stuff.

I have confidence in the guy. He didn't rack up all 13 loses with the Mets.

It's not about him beating Oliver Perez. It's about the Mets bats or the Cardinals bats beating the pitching.

Hatred from a bitter Royals fan. Now this thread is complete. :)

I haven't been a Royals fan long enough to be bitter.

I just hate St. Loser. Lambs, Blues, Cards, whatever.

Although what I really want is for a gaping chasm to open up under the stadium and suck down both teams. I'm diametrically opposed to rooting for anything from New York, too.

Either way, the NL teams are just vying for the honor of being the Tigers' bitch.

I disagree... I've always said starting pitching is the biggest key to winning in the playoffs. I was arguing that with you Mets fans when I said the Mets wouldn't mop up the Cards like everyone thought... cause the Cards had better starting pitching. Same reason the Tigers are plowing everyone over.

Personally, I'd send Darren Oliver out there, he was fantastic the other night. Although Perez is nasty when he's on, but that's been rare lately. He still gave up 5 runs the other night. He could come out and blow them away tonight, I don't doubt that a bit, he has the ability. I think he also has the ability to give up 6 runs in the first two innings and put the game out of reach. I have no idea what's gonna happen, I think it's wide open.

Although, if I were a Cards fan I would shoot myself in the face if my team lost the last two games of a playoff series with my two aces on the mound, to a rookie and a 3-13 pitcher. I don't care where the games are or where the pitchers pitched during the season. That would be another grade A LaRussa choke job.

I'd like to shoot LaRussa and the Double Out Twins in the face, not me.

LMAO I'll save the fridge jokes, this time.

Edmonds and Rolen are switched. It's Molina, then Belliard at the end.

Great. Now we'll get the weak pop-up ahead of the strike out. Hooray beer. :shake:

I don't undersand why he won't move Belliard up in the order. :banghead:

We
Are
Gonna
Need
Extra
Runs

Read NYFS much?

That's the thing about Wagner. 1-2 run games, he's lights out.

I don't know what it is about him and non-save opportunities, but he doesn't have nearly the fire as opposed to save chances.

My wife saw this and starting dying laughing.

Yes it would be...that's why I'm on edge and have been all day. The fact of the matter is that Rolen and Edmonds are supposed to be protection for Albert, and in all reality they are the two easiest guys in the order to get out in the playoffs. If you throw a fastball letter high, they are done. Edmonds will K and Rolen's dumb c*nt ass will pop out to RF. Of course, neither one of them are intelligent enough to cheat on pitchers who can't throw anything but fastballs when they can't get around on a monkey's ass :shake:

And they had one hit between them (a bunt single in game one by Edmonds) in the 2004 WS.

Perez was decent, what 2 years ago?? He was pretty lights out, dont know what happend.

If the Cards can't win this game, regardless of what was expected before post season, it will be a huge let down. You have a one game lead with 2 games left and your 2 best pitchers to go.

You have Pujols,"the best hitter in the game" and a top notch defense.

Cards fans are as close as you can get to "football fans" in baseball. They love their team and I know because I am one, they will be highly pissed if the lose this game.

This is a BIG game.

Why is Spezio on the bench?

WTF is LaRussa thinking, play the stats vs. who is hot.

Rolen may be a great D 3B, bat better make an impact tonite....

Well, here would be his thought process:

Spezio doesn't hit LHP well, and that's all we're going to see tonight

Rolen hits Perez very well

Suppan's a groundball pitcher and Rolen is a great defensive 3B.

I have a bigger issue with the lack of Taguchi over Encarnacion and the batting order than anything else.

Rolen has a better OBP than Spezio since game 3. :shrug:

Plus, Spezio is a pretty solid pinch hitter. I don't have a huge problem with this, but Encarnacion's presence in the lineup is troublesome. He sucks the pus out of a dead goat's colon boil.

McCarver made a rare observation that was worth a shit the other night (game 3) when Eckstein got picked off on an obvious balk. He said he could hear the crowd decrying the balk, and mentioned that it's not very often that you see such awareness among fans. Let's face it, most baseball fans are there to be seen (Astros, White Sox, Angels, Marlins, Braves, etc.) and will fade away during off years. The Cardinals have a very loyal and patient (to a fault) fanbase.

I'm still pissed at McCarver over the comment about
the 1968 series with Detriot

McCarver (not verbatem) "Unfortunately I was on the Cardinals" what an A$$
I had heard his was kinda of an anti-Cardinal but never heard anything similar until recently.

Yea, the Cards fans are loyal and baseball smart. A lot like Chiefs fans are loyal and usually football smart in my opinion.

Personally, I think you can tangibly feel FOX rooting for the Mets so that a larger market will be represented in the WS. fuck them is what I say.

ROFL

For God's sake, look at the difference in the mentioning of various pitching performances. They've mentioned Darren Oliver 2 billion times the past 3 games and when Suppan completely shut down the Mets over 8 innings in a game that wasn't yet decided (opposed to when Oliver came in) it hardly warrants a mention and is considered flukish.

I'm nervous as hell. Don't know why. Cardinals have had much better ball teams in recent years and have not gone this far. Sad state that the NL is in these days. Birds win.

Never underestimate the importance of having the two highest payrolls in the AL and what it requires to compete in that league as a direct byproduct. The AL has also been more willing to accept a Sabermetric approach, and they have that built in advantage of the DH which allows players who can't play a lick of defense a place to stay for their careers (Ortiz, Edgar Martinez, the decaying Frank Thomas, are but a few examples over the past several years).

Would someone explain to me how a guy that has an ERA north of 8 was 'good' in his start?

The DH is a huge advantage. The AL goes out and buys, developes a DH. The NL brings some guy off the bench. IMHO the DH is the worst rule in the history of the game.

:clap: :clap: :cuss: :cuss: :) :)

Bill Parcells called it!!!

Cards.