Whitlock: Herm covering Carl's gigantic blunder
 

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Herm covering Carl’s goof
JASON WHITLOCK
Kansas City Star

Well, Chiefs fans finally got their you-play-to-win-the-game moment from Herm Edwards, who always preaches with a purpose.

Less than 24 hours after qualifying for the playoffs, Edwards opened his New Year’s Day news conference ranting about how his Chiefs didn’t luck into or back into the playoffs.

“Let’s not get this thing twisted and think we backed into this deal,” Edwards preached with the necessary emotion to catch the eye of ESPN producers. “We didn’t lose, we won. Every team that played this weekend played at home and had an opportunity to get into the playoffs just like us. We just happened to win. What’s wrong with that? So, let’s not get it twisted and say, ‘Well, they’re lucky.’ We didn’t get lucky. We won.”

Why the unprovoked rant? Edwards said he wanted to transfer his attitude to his players and he could sense that some people thought the Chiefs were lucky.

“I’m not irritated,” Edwards said. “I’m just making a point. It’s playoff time now. I’m in a different mode, I think a real different mode all of a sudden. I’m in a different frame of mind.”

Hmm. That’s one way to look at it. There’s also another way to view Herm’s tirade.

Maybe Herm thought it was important to convince his players, the local and national media and Kansas City football fans that the Chiefs weren’t lucky because he knows Carl Peterson sent the clear message he didn’t think the Chiefs would qualify for postseason play when he placed Jason Dunn and Kyle Turley on injured reserve before the Jacksonville game.

Marinate on that for a moment.

The Chiefs won’t have the services of one of the league’s top run-blocking tight ends in a playoff game that likely will hinge on KC’s ability to control the clock with Larry Johnson.

Peterson, in my opinion, made a gigantic tactical error.

He placed Dunn, Turley and Rich Scanlon on injured reserve so the Chiefs could elevate practice-squaders Casey Printers, Chris Hannon and William Kershaw to the 53-man roster. By placing Printers, Hannon and Kershaw on the final 53-man roster it protects the Chiefs from an opposing team poaching one of the three players from KC’s practice squad this offseason.

Teams are justifiably paranoid about losing their practice-squad players. A couple of years ago, the Chiefs cut guard Ryan Lilja with the hopes they could place him on their practice squad. The Colts scooped up Lilja, and he’s been a regular starter in Indy for two years.

The Chiefs said they placed Dunn on IR because doctors won’t clear him to play now that they miraculously discovered he has a herniated disk in his back in week 16.

Dunn told me Monday that he’s played with the injury for six weeks. When he entered Arrowhead Stadium on Monday for a brief team meeting, Dunn told me he hoped the Chiefs could reverse the decision. When Dunn left Arrowhead, he told me that assistant general manager Denny Thum told him that the Chiefs regretted placing Dunn on IR and they wouldn’t have done it if they thought they were going to qualify for the playoffs.

Dunn was visibly disappointed.

“I could play four more games,” said Dunn, who admitted he’ll undergo surgery this offseason. “I’ve been playing with it.”

Dunn’s absence Saturday will place more pressure on Tony Gonzalez and Kris Wilson. Gonzalez will have more blocking responsibility.

Wilson will pull double duty between fullback and tight end. Linemen John Welbourn and Chris Bober will get some time at tight end.

Dunn’s absence hamstrings the offensive coaching staff. Dunn has never been a big part of KC’s passing game, but he’s always been a threat in KC’s pass offense. And blocking on the edge against outside linebackers and working up to safeties requires a combination of strength and athletic ability that few offensive linemen possess.

Dunn’s absence is big. But that probably won’t get talked about on ESPN this week because Herm created a nice little distraction. Herm is smart, and he’s a team player. He fell on Carl Peterson’s grenade.

AND the day before the game, he said... "It would take something a little strange to get us in."

Was it a mistake? Maybe


Was it worth a whole article about? Absolutly not


Quality article Jwhit :rolleyes:

yeah, losing Dunn is huge.

I was thinking..................................
 

that without the services of Dunn the coaches might have to re-think the play calling. Instead of ultra conservative calls with power player sets they may have to use a spread set and some deception and mis-direction (play-action). This coaching staff may now be forced to 'think outside the box.'

OH! SAY IT AINT SO!

Why the **** was Dunn was lifting up LJ after every TD if he had a herniated disc in his goddamn spine? I'm positive that's how he got it to begin with, too.

That's what I said.

I dunno ... I think JWhit is letting everyone know what a TOOL KingCarl can be at times and this is just yet ANOTHER KING CARL SIZED BLUNDER IMO.

I never gave it much thought but seeing it in print makes me believe that Carl was already looking to next year.

Were the rest of us (Including JWhit) looking forward to next year as well??

How do I plea in front of Supreme Judge Rainman: "Guilty"

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I doubt it. Dunn lifts 230 pounds everyday in the weightroom I bet.

Dunn lifts 274lbs everyday when he gets up out of bed!

What, no Scanlon?


NOOOOOO!! We're doomed!!

I'm a "real" fan. I'm giving King Carl $3,000 a year of support. I can act and think at the pre game tailgate that we don't have a prayer of getting into the playoffs.

At the tailgate we didn't have a problem with this move because we had pretty much given up on the season and hope of a playoff game. We all thought we were done but I'm not the GM.

The GM has to act like the season ain't over until its over. And putting Dunn on IR was a signal to the team and to all of us that the season was done.

I don't know the rules. Could they have waited until the season was over? Can you put someone on the active roster after the season?I don't think so thats why it was done now.

Also why worry about Printrers being snatched up if Croyle is your QOTF? Does this send a message about what they think of Croyle? Or is it just a "not putting all of your eggs in one basket" kind of thing?

Because Huard likely won't be on this team next year.......they'll need to find another QB whether it be Printers or someone else.

Maybe cuz they don't have any plans to sign Huard...:shrug:

It sure woulda been nice to have him blocking for LJ and over to help out with Freeney or Mathis. Bigfoot is now even more important unless we have someone else in mind to fill that role. Turley could have but he's out too.

I'm going to cover for Carl on this one. He can't predict the future. We had a one in fifty chance of making the playoffs. Had we not made the playoffs, and those guys got snatched up, Whitlock would have called that a blunder, too.

Carl makes way too many legitimate blunders -- let's just not bash him when he actually makes the right call (or at least, a very reasonable call).

Just think how Jason Dunn feels. He's not exactly young, he's played here for about 7 years now, only our second shot in the playoffs, and he gets put on IR when he apparently could have played.

Excellent point.

And were we that worried about protecting Chris Hannon?

The only way this makes sense to me is if Jason Dunn graded out badly while playing with this back injury over the last few weeks. I have no idea if that's the case or not, but Whitlock is correct to term this a major blunder if it is not.

I certainly hope jspchief is doing a little reading on the Planet today.... ROFL

Agreed. It was such a slim chance that the Chiefs would have made the playoffs in the first place........ :banghead:

Whitlock included a glaring error in this column. There is no practice squad in the offseason. You're either on the roster or you're not. I've never seen a player lifted from a practice squad in the offseason because it simply doesn't exist. Those guys were elevated to get them game experience and a game check.

the slimmer chance of damned if you do, damned if you don't, bit them in the ass

You can't get much game experience when you are inactive for the game.

Kershaw got PT. I don't know about the other two.

Printers didn't thats for sure.

THe other two were inactive.

Protecting Hannon doesn't make much sense. If he couldn't crack the lineup against the existing sorry lot of WR's, I don't think there is much hope for him.

In other words, I'd rather risk "losing" Hannon for eternity than not having Dunn in to block in the postseason.

Right - but after the season ends, all players on the practice squad are free to sign with any other team, while players on your 53-man roster are not. During the season, if you sign a guy off another's team practice squad you have to make him one of your 53. But after the year, you have something like 85 spots for contracted players. They were trying to protect these guys.

Listen, it would be nice to have Dunn, but don't forget...we just put up 170 rushing yards against the no.2 D in the league.

We are not doomed.


oops...forgot about the reverse pshycology, we are doooommmeedd!!

Thank you!!! Man - more of us need to keep carrying the positive vibe torch.

hahaha i was the first one to post anything on this right after the Denver game on Sunday.... then another guy posted about this last night and people were giving him all kinds of shit because of herms press conf..... i new this was a big mistake!

What person in their right mind wouldn't have done that.. Peterson was justified to do what he did. Whitlock said in his same statement Lija was stolen from the Chiefs and now is a full time starter for the Colts 2 years in a row. He answered his own derogetory statement in his own article. The odds were not in our favor to make the playoffs no matter what anyone says. Losing to the Browns should be proof enough.

I'm sure Peterson didn't ask Edwards what he thought. :rolleyes:

Yep, I was the other guy, and an arrogant asshat called jspchief was the one running his ignorant mouth the most about how the Chiefs would <i>never</i> have put Dunn on IR if he was still capable of playing.

Exactly what I wanted to post.

If Carl HAD NOT put Dunn on IR and instead left these guys on the PS, we failed to qualify for the playoffs, and they had been snatched by another team, we'd be reading "Ryan Lilja" articles from Whitlock.

It wouldn't matter what Carl does, it's wrong.

And we still don't have PROOF that Dunn is capable of playing.

What you have is one guy, with a known axe to grind, saying that he HEARD that someone said that someone said that Dunn could still play but the Chiefs were putting him on IR anyway...

It appears to be a quote from Dunn. What I don't get is why whitlock thinks Peterson wouldn't have cleared all of this with Edwards. As if on gameday, they were looking for Dunn and didn't know where he was.

That's not the way I read the article.

"Dunn told me Monday that he’s played with the injury for six weeks. When he entered Arrowhead Stadium on Monday for a brief team meeting, Dunn told me he hoped the Chiefs could reverse the decision. When Dunn left Arrowhead, he told me that assistant general manager Denny Thum told him that the Chiefs regretted placing Dunn on IR and they wouldn’t have done it if they thought they were going to qualify for the playoffs.

Dunn was visibly disappointed.

“I could play four more games,” said Dunn, who admitted he’ll undergo surgery this offseason. “I’ve been playing with it.”

Yep

I hate Carl as much as anyone on this board, but this is a silly angle for Jason to be taking. An absolute no-win for Carl.

How is it a no-win for Carl? Has anyone been worrying that Hannon was going to be signed off the practice squad the entire season? Does anyone even know who the hell Hannon is?

Bigfoot has been very solid this year-turning into a great team player and a nice draft pick.

No, not really. My point was that if we didn't make the playoffs, and he didn't cover these guys, the proverbial Damnit, Carl! would be in full effect.

This is only a big deal in hindsight.

If Hannon had been unprotected, picked up by the Chargers, and started for them next season, you bet your ****ing ass people would know who he was.

Allegedly Dunn told Whitlock he could still play - that's second-hand info for us.

However, DUNN told Whitlock that Denny Thum SAID they wouldn't have placed him on IR if they thought they would make the playoffs - that's specifically what I'm talking about.

IF being the Key word there.....

There's no "if" about it.

Carl would be blasted for leaving these guys unprotected, regardless of the outcome.

Whitlock dedicated more than one article to Ryan Lilja.

There's no way for Carl to make the "right" move here.

The NFL should allow practice squad players to remain with a team. New rules should be considered.
Something along the lines of the team gets a first refusal. Basically, a notification that said player is being considered, please make a roster move or lose the player. That allows a team the option of keeping the player or not. If the team allows the player to walk, they could get a 6th or 7th rounder compensatory pick. Just a thought.

Whitlock should have SLAMMED the entire organization for the Ryan Lilja AND the Samkon Gado affairs for weeks on end. Freakin' Dick Vermeil is such an offensive "genius" that not only does he allow Lilja & Gado to get away, he actually CUTS them, hoping to re-sign them later.

Out of all the ridiculous decisions that DV made during his tenure in KC, those two are absolutely unforgiveable. And they've set the organization back.

Which offensive lineman did he develop? Which running backs? Who did Vermeil develop, period? Besides the $15 million in his bank account.

He's a Dick.

Dipshit. Ever hear of Brian Waters or John Tait? Casey Wiegmann was a career backup when he came here. The Lilja thing sucks, but you can't expect the Chiefs to get it right 100% of the time. Eddie Kennison was a career nothing before he came here and got taken up off the scrap heap. There's also nothing that guarantees that Lilja is going to be better than Black or Wellbourne at Guard.

Furthermore, if you are going to take the Chiefs to task for poor personnel decisions, it starts with two moves: 1) Drafting Sims over Henderson, and 2) Trading Down to take Siavii instead of Olshansky.

My $0.02.... The NFL needs increase roster size to at least 60, and have no restrictions on how many to dress out.

I'm a dipshit? Alright, Jackass. So you'd advocate keeping Ryan Lilja over Jeremy Parquet? How about over Allan Reese? Montique Sharp? Lyle West? Donald Willis?

Vermeil was supposed to be some sort of genius, but he couldn't see talent right before his eyes. So you're gonna "guarantee" that Darius Johnson and Fred Jones were more deserving of a roster spot than Ryan Lilja?

You're a freakin' moron.

Oh and by the way, douche nozzle, Olhansky was taken BEFORE Siavii. So please explain to me how the Chiefs "missed out".

Moron.

I got some buttery popcorn

Is that a seggs-yall reference?...

You dumb c*nt.

The Chiefs traded down from the 1st to the 2nd that year. With the Chiefs pick, the Lions took Kevin Jones late in the first. By the time the Chiefs drafted early in the 2nd the Chargers had already spent their pick #1 overall in the 2nd round, on Olshanksy.

I think your head may be rammed so far and so perfectly up your ass that it has created the only perfect vacuum on planet earth.

So, you're making the point that if the Chiefs didn't trade down and the Chargers didn't trade down, the Chiefs somehow could have had Ohlanksy?

Go back to school, dumbass. I feel sorry for your students.

Every team is going to have one or two players that they let go that end up making it somewhere else. That's just how it works.

Waters--Undrafted, cut in Dallas as a TE/FB
Wiegmann--Backup Center we took from the Bears, IIRC

Look at Vonnie Holiday---decent in GB, worthless here, good in Miami. Is that Vermeil's fault? No...it's Holiday's. You can't hit 1.000 as a talent evaluator. Hell, the Patriots have had their fair share of fuckups...like trading a 5th rounder to the Raiders for nothing, drafting guys like PK Sam, picking up Mike Cloud, Monty Beisel, Eric Warfield...and they have 3 rings this decade.

Your opinion is completely uninformed, you worthless, mouth breathing sack of monkey shit.

So your point is that while the Chiefs made a major mistake with Lilja and Gado, "THAT'S OKAAAAAYYY". EVERYBODY makes mistakes. Oh, poor, silly Chiefs! :rolleyes:

You're a freakin' joke. Go back to hitting on 18 year-olds in the common. But I guess that's not working either because you're on the internet at 2am.

LOSER.

Feel sorry for this, you dumb motherfucker.

Per Wiki:

30 Detroit Lions (from Kansas City) Kevin Jones Running back Virginia Tech
31 San Francisco 49ers (from Carolina) Rashaun Woods Wide receiver Oklahoma State
32 New England Patriots Benjamin Watson Tight end Georgia


[edit] Round two

Pick # NFL Team Player Position College
33 Arizona Cardinals Karlos Dansby Linebacker Auburn
34 New York Giants Chris Snee Offensive Tackle Boston College
35 San Diego Chargers Igor Olshansky Defensive Tackle Oregon
36 Kansas City Chiefs (from Detroit) Junior Siavii Defensive Tackle Oregon


Who in the blue fuck did you think we were going to draft had we just stood pat? The answer is Olshansky...we thought we could get him at 36, but Smith beat Carl to the punch, much the same way that I'm beaitng you, or that your mailman pounds your wife's roast beef curtains.

I guess I could be hitting on girls that I teach while my wife is at work in a children's ICU....that would be real classy. About as classy as your slunt ass is informed.

Go outside and take a Chinese Elm branch.

Dig out your left eye and then have an out of work actor/blowjob hustler on Sunset Blvd. shit in your eye socket. Then, have him give you an angry dragon...then, you might approach the pain that reading your inane drivel and woefully misguided conclusions have wrought me.

Pure speculation. You don't have any FACTS on your side. I do, however. The Chiefs released two very good, young players who would definitely be a part of their present plans. Instead, they got absolutely nothing for them. But at least they've got YOU to pimp and EXCUSE their mistakes.

Has your Dominoes pizza arrived yet? Are you calling all the RA's in your dorm for favors?

And YOU'RE responsible for shaping our youth? YIKES.

Man, I can't believe you're a teacher. Hey-Zeus.

Not only am I a teacher, but my beer shits and ass piss contain more lucidity and informed reason than your best synaptic firings.

BTW, take your dumbass to draft planet and look at the running themes over there, how many people are urging the Chiefs not to reach...like they did in '04 when they panicked b/c the guy they wanted...OLSHANSKY....got drafted one spot before they picked....

You should be ashamed of yourself. If you're not, I'm sure your wife that's "working in ICU" would and should be.

Yeah, that's a GREAT idea. If I were to base my advice and outlook on the draft, the Chiefs would have guys like Kevin Kasper, Michael Bishop and countless other guys as wasted draft choices.

You're just adding to your dumbass total. Keep it up. It's awesome.

Ashamed of myself?? You should be ashamed of yourself for the depths that you drag people with your stupid conclusions.

Your argument is about as sensical as me decided to split my dick open with knife, hollow it out with a grapefruit spoon, stuff the elastic banding from my boxer briefs in the void, and then **** myself in my own ass as I fishhook myself with barbed-wire wrapped index fingers.

Um, can you explain to me what my "conclusions" are?

Ok...so your rebuttal is that I'm a dumbass because you wanted the Chiefs to draft Michael Bishop and Kevin Kasper.

So if you put on a Hitler outfit and start hanging Jews on meathooks does that make me a neo-Nazi, or does it just make you one seriously uninformed, knuckledragging motherfucker?

How about a visual?
http://designersalliance.co.uk/wp-co...6/05/shit.jpeg

I'm done engaging in this nonsense. Have fun beating off while you're waiting for your "wife".

Congratulations on your textual-skull fucking. I'll be here all week. If you want me to verbally fist you with a chain-mail glove, just let me know.

Poop, S&M, slef-mutilation and namecalling.

What more could a football fan ask for in a thread?

A++!!11!!!

Children! CHILDREN!
 

Thank goodness we have a top flight moderator like yourself to keep us appraised of the situation..thank you,Senator.

Yeah, really makes me pissed I missed Joe's event this year.

WHAT THE fuck!!

:eek:WTF

My brain just threw up a little...