Herm Did More With Less
 

I know this is all reiterations but some need the reminder obviously...

No Roaf, no RT, an aged Will Shields, no T-Rich, no DT's above average, no Priest Holmes\LJ combo, no Saunders, rookie OC that had head in ass syndrome, injured starting QB for 8 weeks out of the gate..

result:
9-7 record and playoff appearance.
Defense went from 31 to 16
Offense dropped from 1 - 16


Given everything he had to work with I would say the drop in offense was to be expected.

Could we have made some better decisions? Sure
Is there room for improvment? Most definitely
Did we do better than what most would expect given the situation? Yes

So before you send Herm down the river I would say you have to ask yourself what might of happened with a real LT and FB offensively?

No argument from me. I think Herm did a pretty good coaching job this year.

And we fell from a top 5 Sagarin-ranked team to a bottom 15 Sagarin-ranked. team.

We were 5-7 against real football teams. Our ridiculously easy schedule masked just how far the team fell.

Once again you seem to lose grasp of the realties.

Let's look at your commetns a sec...we fell from a top 5 team that never made it to the playoffs to a bottom 15 that made it...

HMMM...

No Roaf, No T-Rich, No Al Saunders, injured Trent Green..


WOW I wonder why we fell so much offensivley???

I'd rather not make the playoffs by relying on other teams and then one we get in lay a damn goose egg on offense and really show that we didn't belong.

I completely agree with this.

Having said that, I'm giving him '07 as a rebuilding year. He'll lose my confidence if the Chiefs don't contend in '08.

because Herm doesn't know what a forward pass is? You can't blame it all on Solari..you have to blame Herm as well. He's the head coach, therefore it was just as much his job, if not more, to make better decisions on offense.

Really? I will take it any way I can.

I agree but in the light of things what pass protection did you see that would allow us to go down field?

I think Solari just didn't know how to call a game. Hopefulyl that will change.

And no it was NOT his job to make more decisions on offense. That is what an OC is for.

We saw what happened with Vermeil and the defense. So naturally with Herm you are going to see some of the opposite.

I will take getting into the playoffs anyway as well, but atleast show up and make the game interesting for more than a quarter. Our showing was the worst I can remember in recent memory in the playoffs.

I don't see how one could be optimistic after watching perhaps the worst-coached NFL game ever.

Well I won't argue that. But I think some of that had to do with Freeney eating up Black, Weigman unable to power block and a genuine lack of mixing up play calls.

By the same token our D shut down the Colts offense.

Oh yeah and our all-world kicker missing chip shots.

Dude if it is one thing I have learned since the salary cap it's you can never predict next year based on last year.

I agree. I'd be very optimistic if we swapped Herm for Belichick. I'd say start printing playoff tickets.

Yeah, the defense did a really good job of keeping us in it the whole game. It was a shame to waste that effort. I will give Herm another year or 2 at the worst. There has to be adjustements and he had to have learned something from that loss. I'd hope.

I give him 2 more years or so. Of course we need to continue to see maturity in the D and a total 180 on our O. I don't mind and in fact I like the power running game. But if we don't use the P\A Pass then I will say we have issues.

My reasons

1. Herm won 9 games with a broken down shell of a team.
2. Herm has the D going in the right direction.
3. Herm has shown the ability to draft well and build good football teams.

For the last 3 yrs I read how the offense is going to decline due to age. It finally happened and everyone is shocked. Some people blame Herm for that; I don't.

petegz28, I Like this post as I have said numerous times on this board, I like Herm as a head Coach and I think he did a good job with what he had. You stick anybody in his position with the offense and he loses Trent and a Hall of Fame tackle and a Pro Bowl FB, I think we managed pretty well.

That was always a big part of our success is the PA passing, really didn't work well this year. The D looked alot better we'll see what happens when we actually get a real solid DT or 2 in there.

A very solid argument.

along with very weak one...

We all knew this was going to happen and yet Carl brings in a sub .500 coach that was fired, for a 4th round pick, and gives him nothing to help him on the offensive side of the ball....


Then we endure the preacher's antics all season long...

So is your prob with Carl or Herm???

Herm also couldnt help Roaf's INCREDIBLY ill-timed decision.

There also isnt a coach in the NFL who could have gotten a winning record out of a 3rd string QB & a totally washed up Testaverde.

Herm overachieved for a few weeks with Huard at the helm. Then when the Chiefs had the western title in their grasps they fell apart and under-achieved, eventually needing a miracle to make the post-season. They were clearly outclassed, outplayed and outcoached in the postseason demonstrating that they aren't a serious title contender at this point.

Yep.

Give Herm some draft/FAs to build on.
Seems to have done well with Jets building the team. Despite what fans say about him.

Playoff Colts game away. Yeah he FU.

08 Schedule NFCN - AFCS

The only expectations I have of Herm Edwards is to draft well. We may make the playoffs once or twice but I can't imagine Edwards taking us to the SuperBowl.

I look forward to Herm doing morer with lesser this year.

Dick Curl. The X-Factor.

FAX

Same problem with Carl that every Chiefs fan has, He is only worried about the butts in the seats and not the product on the field.

Problem with Herm? Like I have stated many times, I will never give Herm a fair shake, His coaching style is 20 years old, never had a record of 10-6 or better, never takes the blame (throws everyone under the bus but him), Uses we when things go right, and they when they go wrong, on top of that is he a complete tool on his game day decisions.

Just like some people didnt like Dick, Marty, Stram, Leavy or who ever else you want to put in that list. I dont like Herm, didnt like him in NYJ and damn sure wont like him in KC.

Agian I will never give Herm a fair shake and IF he wins a big game or the big game? I will take my crow and gladly BBQ it to perfection and eat the shit out of it, until then, Herm and his band of fake cronies can kiss my a$$....

So you'll never give Herm a fair shake.... except if he wins a big game or the big game, then you'll admit you were wrong?

And you don't see anything unreasonable or biased about this approach?




The world is flat, and it will always be flat..... until somebody sails around the world... then it will be round... until then, science can kiss my a$$..... ?

Hey, if you dont like my honesty about the situation, put me on ignore.. No I admit and have along time ago, that I will never give Herm a fair shake. Period!

Yes, IF herm wins the Super Bowl I will admit I am wrong, Acutally if he just coaches in an AFC championship game I will admit I am wrong. But there hasnt been anything in his coaching career to lead anyone to think other wise.


People sail around the world? You serious?

I think you are right in a sense, the man has to show results.

Warfield is gone, Hicks & Sims are no longer starting. The Ty Law groupies got their man. Wesley & Knight's futures as Chiefs are not certain. This time last year several would be more than overjoyed with that fact

You know, I heard Clinkscale say something like this 0n 810. Was it really the worst in resent memory? I maintain it wasn't even the worst in this years playoffs. I'd be more embarrassed if I were a Baltimore fan with that showing. Staying with worst in recent memory, however, how far back we going? Five years? I say the two times the Broncos went to the Colts and got blown out were much worse than our loss. I'm just saying...

Please refrain from attempting to make sense, Mr. Messier.

We're trying to throw poop here.

FAX

All that taken into account-Herm still can't manage a game. Those screw ups fall right on him.

Did Herm have more or less talent on defense? Was the defense appreciably better, especially after adjusting for strength of schedule?

It's funny how it's all Herm supposedly improving our defense, but blameless in the collapse of our offense.

I want those in the pro-Herm camp to rank GMs and head coaches in our division, then ask themselves again if there is reason for optimism. Does anyone have Peterson or Herm better than 3rd?

The answer is blowing in the wind. Run, Run, Pass -Punt

:clap: rep

I'd rank Herm/CP ahead of DV/CP based on talent evaluation alone. I would rank Denver 1st with SD and KC about the same.

WTF is up with this new tact.
"My opinion is sacrosanct. If you observe any flaws in it, please refrain from pointing them out and just put me on ignore."

You're free to spout your opinion, KC Fish is free to point out how 'tarded it is.

Win-Win.

Wonder how that take applies in the case of Mr. Trent Green? :hmmm:

You think Carl is as good as AJ Smith?

People keep talking about huge defensive improvements this last year. The difference in points allowed between 2005 and 2006 was very small; only 10 points (325 in 2005 and 315 in 2006).

They're blanking out post-dildo party games.

Seriously, I think the crucial aspect of most folks estimation of the D's improvement is the performance against the Colts. I wouldn't have thought it possible.

You didn't think what was possible, Mr. Baby Lee?

FAX

The D perf against peytie-pie.

The good news for the Chiefs is that there are people who think Herm will do ok.

Then there are the rest of us that dont believe in Bigfoot, the Easter Bunny, or that The Chiefs did not get lucky this year.

Keep expectations low, avoid disappointment.

Ah. Thanks for the clarification. The defense did okay in that game. At least until they got tired. It appears that there are pro-Herms, anti-Herms, wait-and-see Herms, and utter Hermicidals.

Which category are you in at this juncture, Mr. Baby Lee?

FAX

I too think Herm did pretty good. Better than Vermeil.

Mr Easter Bunny, let me introduce Beer me

A meh-Herm who wanted Stoops or Fisher [or now Cowher], who is just glad that the D is no longer the most embarassing unit in the history of the league, waiting and seeing on all the rest.

Fair enough.

For my part, Herm has transformed me into a very bitter person. I didn't think that was possible. I'm weary of rebuilding every 5 years back to the point where we lose in the first round of the playoffs ... then starting all over again. This decade, it looks like we're going retro.

I can only hope that Dick Curl can get this thing turned around.

FAX

Herm shouldn't coach high school ball. After finding out he never watches the Superbowl I am more convinced than ever that he shouldn't be coaching period. What does he have to do that is more important than seeing what successfull coaches are doing, drawing up another plan on how to run straight at 8 in the box?

and you are free to drink all of Herm's Kool-Aid, no matter how delusional you get, you are always welcome to post here as well.

When I spoke with Carl this morning, he mentioned that. He hopes the bitterness will subside as well. He asked me to say hi.

Oh....I'd like to slamdunk this one...but

i'll be nice...

no really...i promise....

I would go for those 3....

It would of been a perfect time for Carl to step up and doing something a little risky. Ya Know, outside the box.

Carl could of injected new life into the Chiefs with a hire other than someone from his pathetic myspace freinds list.

Hiring Herm was not risky, but a safe p*ssy move. With that being made, the Chiefs took a major step back.

Did your rochambaux him when you spoke with him this morning?

I should also add, that I feel that grousing about Herm, at this point, is about as useful an exercise as bitching about the arrowhead on the side of the helmet, or that their colors are red and gold.

I don't have any issues with Herm over last year. My problems are from Solari's playcalling.

LMAO

That had to be really hard for you.

:clap:

I agree completely, Mr. Baby Lee. That's the entire problem in a nutshell. I don't want to spend time complaining about Herm, yet I am compelled to do so. It's as if I have been possessed by a demon. If he were here right now, I'd spin my head around and puke green slime on his sweater.

FAX

ROFL I couldn't have said it better myself. ROFL

Heres the thing, Herm is like a bad comedian with zero fresh material over the last 6 years....

We watched, laughed, ridiculed the NYJ fans and Herm for years. Never thinking that his tired, predictable act would ever show up on the doorsteps of Arrowhead.

Now we are the ones the are getting laughed at and ridiculed by others.

So what are we supposed to do, blindly drink his kool-aid, walking around saying "everything will be ooookkkkaaayyy?"

I would much rather blow the whole thing up, start with a young necleus, and build through the draft. That is the only way to be a year in year out contender. I'll take a 4-12 year to contend from here on out. That is the only way to get there. This barely sniffing the playoffs and have a historically bad showing when we get there is embarrasing. We didn't get a first down until there was 3 minutes left in the third quarter! 9-7, 10-6, it's all the same. Your never gonna get there doing what the Chiefs have been doing. Reboot

I was too busy admiring the fact that the Jets actually got to go to the playoffs to laugh and ridicule them.

Herm hired Solari.

I blame the whole Roaf thing on Carl. Carl wanted the people to think that Roaf was coming back so they would come to the games because everone knows what our offense was like without him.

I knew he would be a bad GM when he drafted Blackledge. People just wouldn't listen.

That is the problem with the Chiefs and the fans, we want the one and done and not an AFC Championship or Superbowl appearance...

yeah yeah I know, you have to get there first, Well we got there and Herm dusted off the "How to Coach like Marty in the Playoffs" book and to much happiness of the ChiefsPlanet, we were "one and done"

2 playoff wins in NY.

And yet they still fired him.... Why?

Never heard about the firing.

Link?

Did they?

because they didn't. . . :shrug:

Oh that is right they were going to fire him, but Carl step in and saved the day for the Jets and offered a 4th round pick for "the Savior".

How did we get so lucky?

Link?

K give me a few, I am at work, so it will take a bit..

I will head over to Jetsnation and get some info...

If all you can come up with is blather from a jets board, don't bother.

Nope but that is a good place to start for links and info.... Besides, they know more about the fuqtard than we do....

I prefer Smokey Links

Oh boy, here comes the foot in mouth for myself! I hate to admit it, but I was wrong....

From a Mod at Jets Nation.

The bottom line was this -- Herm was not going to be fired. He had been working on the K.C. plan for months. Once the Jets realized that is what he wanted they knew they couldn't bring him back. Getting a 4th rounder for him (Leon
Washington) was a nice surprise.

But there is a lot of hate in Jet Nation over Herm's tenure. He said one thing and did another and it left a bad taste behind.