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Jared Allen wants to be traded
The jist is that they haven't worked out a contract. Carl says the team will tender him, meaning we can get a 1st and 3rd if someone else signs him.
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The police won't leave him alone after a drinking bienge here in KC so he wants to go to another city to see if they are better?:shrug:
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NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
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You're ****ing me.
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Carl is one cheap mother f'er
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Will arrowheadlouder relocate also?
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Freakzilla at her finest.
Allen WILL be a Chief next year |
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And Carl strikes yet again. 4321
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He probably just wants a shot at the Hall Of Fame
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OH **** NO!!!!!!!!! CARL IF U **** THIS ONE UP......... I SWEAR IVE :cuss: :cuss: HAD ENOUGH!!!!!!!! :mad:
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I smell a new Donkey
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Why is Carl the bad guy here?
Allen is being a greedy drunk dumbass by seriously thinking he's worth top dollar on the Chiefs defense after his questionable off the field actions. I completely agree with the Whitlock article. Carl has nothing but tough decisions ahead. A tag is the right thing to do... at least we get compensation and that alone will probably scare most teams away. |
Allen can be replaced, so I don't mind Carl hard-balling him right now. Just wait and see.
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Thank you. Nobody will pay the price of 2 picks for him. While he is great, for other teams the picks won't be worth it. |
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Jared ought to man-up and realize that even though he refused to blow into that breathalyzer, he was still blowing away his big contract. At least for a year, anyway. They can revist it again in '08, unless someone actually gives up a 1st and a 3rd for him. I love Jared Allen as much as anyone, but a 1st and a 3rd would be huge. |
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If Allen leaves I'm finding a new team to root for. This is just absolute ****in bullshit. I'm tired of all of Carl's bullshit when it comes to personell and the lack of ability to lead this franchise to a SuperBowl. Carl is the reason why we havent done shit in the postseason since 1994. If he signs with another team then that's it I'm done. It's just that ****ing simple.
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Honestly, I'd rather have another 1st and 3rd round pick, but that's just me. Not even Carl could **** that up.
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It would be great!! If Carl knew how to draft. BTW Okoye won't make it pass 17 |
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He's tendered. Nobody can have him unless they're willing to cough up Jared's asking price and a couple of draft picks. Would you honestly say he's worth that? My point is this is a great situation. Jared is going to be a Chief or the Chiefs will be in great shape come draft day. Losing Allen isn't going to cripple this team at all. |
Is it possible that Jared Allen was only good because of your secondary?
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I'm not a Carl apologist, and he could definatley **** it up |
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IE, post 15 |
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No |
Allen is just in an awful situation considering the timing of his RFA status. He has no one to blame but himself.
Requesting a trade is a Joke IMO. He and his agent can wait a few days before FA begins and shop him around to see what the rest of the league feels about his situation. You have a 24 so to be 25 year old DE who is becoming a legit top 10 DE imo. A very good pass rusher, knack for stripping and recovering the ball, bats down balls and has shown good improvment with his run defense. Makes good plays behind the LOS against the run as well. A complete End that teams would love to have. Except for the off field drinking and drive problem which he just served 2 days jail for. He is going to be suspended, just a matter of probably 2 or 4 games. Pat Kerney from the falcons is at the top of a weak FA draft class. I'd say the Draft class is pretty average as well. I'm sure with this news there are many teams that will discuss this long and hard, but like the Chiefs want to know next seasons suspension stutus and will very likely have a clause for off field problems to protect them. WTF is the big deal? This unfortunatly is what FA is all about. Go shop yourself around Jarred. Sign an offer sheet and we can look it over and match it without having to go through the BS of an ugly contract negiotiation(let the other team do the hard work) if not we get a first and third rd pick this upcoming draft. This isn't exactly good PR for the team. Plucking a Division II 4th rd end, seeing him develop into a very good player, and know this has to have the chiefs dissapointed. Good teams keep their good players, especially the one's they drafted and developed. Looks pretty messy right now. Interested to see how it turns out. |
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He would probably trade both 1st and 3rd round picks for more picks of lesser value, like a lot of late 3rd round picks with one 2nd rounder to pick up unknown players from like Hawaii or Russia or something ala Junior Siavii. ROFL |
Steroids!!! Oh wait, wrong guy.
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I really think Allen is jumping the gun here in asking to be traded. As an RFA, just go get a big offer from someone and the Chiefs would match it. If you want to stay here, show commitment to the team and do that, and work on it this season or after the season.
IMO, if you want the team to commit to you, commit to them. Don't negotiate in the media, stay out of trouble, and say something like, "I want a new contract but I'll play this year and not let that situation be detrimental to my teammates." You don't really have much of an angle IMO to demand a big money contract extension when you have had two brushes with the law for which you served jail time and will likely be suspended for 4 games. "Settle" for playing for way, way more money this year than you made last year, and then talk about big money after you've shown that you have cleaned up your act. |
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Good teams do pay and keep their players, but how do we know Allen's drinking problems are done with? I say wait a year, stay clean and play like you've never played, and you get paid.
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Hey Jared. Shut the f**k up and play football. He sounds like a whiney biatch. Right now he's an ascending Red Chip DE but he's not an elite player yet. Plus, he's going to miss games because of the fact he can't rent a limo when he's out on the town. Dude has never been much of a thinker and to open up his mouth now is just going to hurt him. RFA is the way to go and the Chiefs are handling this the right way.
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...And well, if we got a first and a third for him, I'd probably be ok with that anyway. I don't want to lose the guy but that's a pretty attractive package.
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That shit is ll contract talk, If someone is going to give up 1st and a 3rd, that would be great for the team. With that we could seriously trade up n get a stud. Allen is just trying to flex his muscles. His ass wont get a big offer anywhere. Not with him bieng suspended for 4 games.
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Was he drinking before the interview?
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Ding Ding Ding, we have a winner. |
He's just flat out pissed he's in this situation.
He doesn't want to sign the 1 yr tender, which after all else is explored might be his only option. If he signs and plays his 1yr deal, stays out of trouble, and puts up another good season he probably wouldn't even make it to FA in '08. We would franchise him. What's he going to do, threaten to sit out camp and part of the season? he is already going to miss games from suspension. I guess requesting a trade is the only way he and the agent can bitch about this. Even if a team would want to offer him a contract, said team would try and negiotate different trade terms. Maybe a first and a player or a second and third. KC wouldn't have to budge because the compensation is set. Allen is working on a year to year contract basis as of now at much less money than he could be making. I don't blame him for wanting to explore all of his options. I just have no simpithy for him. He's pretty much screwed and he knows it. No loopholes here. |
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time to shop a new pass rushing DE, it won't work out.
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I'm glad to hear some intelligent thinkers here. When I read the title of this thread, I immediately thought, ought ohh...people are going to be slitting Carl's throat. I don't know what Jared is thinking saying this stuff to the star. Keep it to yourself, otherwise you are just going to alienate yourself to the fans.
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If the Allen trade occurs I believe KC he would go to either the Bengals or St. Louis for the BPA.
Then comes the dillema of plugging that hole with a DE FA like Charles Grant |
Go lie in the street, Jared.
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Jared is a n00b. He doesn't know how to play this game yet. Carl does.
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I like the guy, but when my boss walks in on me at work with my pants around my ankles tapping the secretary, the last thing I think I'm about to do is piss and moan about needing to get a big pay raise.
Its been mentioned before, but should be noted its a horrible idea. When you have no leverage b/c you're up shitcreek and going to miss a quarter of the season at least already, going public with your squabble is reeruned. People in KC esp. aren't going to sympathize with you when a number of them use a large portion of their expendable income just to see you play at arrowhead. Going public never works, unless you're already established, blue chip, or a key part of a team that is in contention. Read the above again, Jared. None of the 3 fit your scenario. You'll get a high tender that's well above you're base this year- don't get pissy b/c you drank away a quarter of your earning potential. At least you didn't sign an incentive laden contract already, b/c you'd be getting paid squat since you'd be hard pressed to make even the easiest of incentives clauses with missing a four game clip. |
Allen may be a dumbass...but he is critical to our defense, and there aren't 10 DE's in the league that play both the run and the pass as well as he does....he is young and becoming a complete DE, and he gives 110% on every snap....you don't not sign that player....unless you love mediocrity like the Chiefs...
hopefully he'll sober up, and CP will wake up....our DL without Allen is basically non-existant |
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We won't miss you. |
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But his numbers in the last two seasons suggest strongly that he is an elite player. But there are only a couple of players that teams would give up a first and third for. |
If Allen were an unrestricted free agent, teams would be lining up to make a run for him, off field problems notwithstanding.
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I don't want to lose Allen. Our draft history shows that we can screw up 2 picks in the draft with the best of them.
I basicly think that Carl is just wanting someone else to tell everyone what one of our players is worth. I hope we don't see a clause like the vikings and seahawks did to each other last offseason. Not to mention it would probably be 2 yrs before we see the same production from that DE spot. |
I don't remember ever seeing Allen take a play off. He plays like he enjoys the game, I hope they get the right thing done.
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Over the last couple of seasons, however, it appears that our draft philosophy has shifted focus from workout warriors and projects to in game producers, and our drafts have seemed more productive, |
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I'd like to keep Allen and all but a first and third for his drunk ass would be sweet. Come on Matt Millen you know you want to!
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i'm currently offering hicks hall sims and wesley. I'll give you a 3rd round pick to take em off my hands.
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Wow. Allen goes for the jugular, huh? High drama. Premature.
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Wow, does this kid ever need to grow up. He wants to be rewarded for being a drunk and spending time in jail? That worked out well for Warfield. I like Allen on the field but getting paid goes beyond play on the field in my estimation. He will miss 4 games this year most likely and he is bitching. Eff him.
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Wow is Jared going to feel really stupid when no other team will give him his asking price. It's laughable to think he has any leverage on the Chiefs.
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Reason #12 to get your own name on the back of an authentic jersey.
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Allen's closer to a Mike Bell-type than a superstar pass rusher.
Good but not great. Furthermore, by all accounts he's an immature jagoff. Carl's absolutely right to lowball him. |
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Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight Yet another example of what could have been a 5-7 million dollar a year player with a 10 cent head. Until he proves he is smart enough to stay off the grog, or at the very least, smart enough to call a cab, he shouldn't get paid. I have to stand behing Carl in this one, and I don't do that very often. Grow the hell up Allen. :shake: |
Allen is ****ed. we'll either have him, or a first and a third, and kerney. Either way I'm stoked.
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Well this isn't good.
Would a 1st & 3rd be nice? Yeah but those would be unproven players. Despite being a little crazy, Jared Allen is the best player on our D and has gotta be one of the very top DEs in the game. He has an unbelievable motor and can get to the QB. Furthermore, he's still young. I hope they can eventually agree to a long term deal. |
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From Whitlocks column
Beyond a lack of maturity, there are still questions about just how good of a player Allen is. Yes, he’s recorded 27 1/2 sacks in three years. Guess what? During 2000-2002 Eric Hicks recorded 26 1/2 sacks He needs to prove himself over more time to get a superstar contract. We are still living with Jerome Woods, Wesley, Hicks and the Bartee contracts after a couple of good seasons. It has to be a possibility that when Allen gets his money that he quits trying so hard and parties, goes on tour with bands and chases women. Thats why he was a 4th round pick. He played at a lower level college. Being imature. I'd take a 1st and 3rd for him. I'm not going to fault King Carl on this one. |
Remember when Eddie Kennison was going to sit out for a better contract? This is just more posturing through the media. No way we trade the guy cause he's going to sit out a quarter of the season and his trade value sucks. Maybe we'll let him walk for a 1st and 3rd, but short of that, his ass is playing for the Chiefs next year.
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At this point, the chiefs don't know what kind of suspension Allen is gonna get ...... whether Allen is gonna get another one. A tag is about the only move ..... we just have to make sure it's a tender that will get us draft picks if we lose him. Unlike the Tait situation. |
He must have found a sweet horse ranch in Liberty, and needs that 10 mil signing bonus now.
That, or he knocked some broad up and needs hush money. |
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I would take the Raiders 1st and 3rd for him in a heartbeat. |
Allen is our best D. player we have ...he brings it every down plus a D. leader ... our D. can't lose this type of player ...
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