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Hammock Parties 03-21-2007 10:19 PM

Green for a 2nd?
 
FINS STILL SNIFFING AROUND GREEN

Gred Bedard of he Palm Beach Post reports that the Dolphins and the Chiefs are still working toward a trade that would send quarterback Trent Green to Miami. The only sticking point? Green's pay in 2007.

He's due to receive $7.2 million, $7.7 million, and $9.2 million in base salaries over the next three seasons. The Fins want to pay him far less than that. Per Bedard, the two sides are "in the same ballpark."

Under the deal, the Fins would send to Kansas City the second-round pick that Miami received from the Patriots as part of the Wes Welker trade. If the deal goes through, it'll be the third straight year in which a second-round pick was given up by the Dolphins for a quarterback.

The acquisition of Green could mean the end of the road for quarterback Daunte Culpepper in Miami, who was acquired from Minnesota last year for the Dolphins' second-round pick in the 2006 draft.

SPchief 03-21-2007 10:21 PM

Deal

BigRock 03-21-2007 10:23 PM

Quote:

Under the deal, the Fins would send to Kansas City the seventh-round pick that Miami received from the Patriots as part of the Wes Welker trade. [Editor's note: A prior version of this story incorrectly said that the Fins would send a second-round pick to the Chiefs. We regret the error.]
Better tell Nick, he thinks it's a 2nd round pick, too.

chiefbowe82 03-21-2007 10:25 PM

A second round pick was sounding a bit more acceptable than a damn 7th.
looks like green will take his last breath in KC

Hammock Parties 03-21-2007 10:26 PM

Aw shit.

milkman 03-21-2007 10:28 PM

You, of course, didn't see the story with the correct info in the thread you were posting to, did you attention whore?

Direckshun 03-21-2007 10:37 PM

A 7th is still better than nothing.

TinyEvel 03-21-2007 10:41 PM

didn't we get pollard (or page) in the 7th?

BWillie 03-21-2007 10:42 PM

HAHA are you kidding me? A 2nd rounder? Have the Dolphins lost it? Why have they gave up on Culpepper. I just don't understand that organization

SPchief 03-21-2007 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie007
HAHA are you kidding me? A 2nd rounder? Have the Dolphins lost it? Why have they gave up on Culpepper. I just don't understand that organization


Or you could actually read the thread.

2112 03-21-2007 10:47 PM

Link?

Bugeater 03-21-2007 11:03 PM

Nut hooks.

2112 03-21-2007 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Samie the Bugeater
Nut hooks.

What happened to your user name,Samie? LMAO

Halfcan 03-21-2007 11:17 PM

That would be sweet-pick up a CB with the pick.

CosmicPal 03-21-2007 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halfcan
That would be sweet-pick up a CB with the pick.

Or maybe trade it to get more picks? :hmmm:

HolmeZz 03-21-2007 11:22 PM

Good scoop, HoSleaze.

Bugeater 03-21-2007 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by bill parcells
What happened to your user name,Samie? LMAO

You can shut up about it now, n00b. No one's allowed to make fun of it.

booger 03-21-2007 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs
Aw shit.

You've indicated that "some chiefs fans will be suprised by what the team gets in return for trent" for awhile now.

Not sticking with that claim any longer?

Bowser 03-21-2007 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samie the Bugeater
You can shut up about it now, n00b. No one's allowed to make fun of it.

Haha. Your name is teh suck.

2112 03-21-2007 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samie the Bugeater
You can shut up about it now, n00b. No one's allowed to make fun of it.

I just did,Samie ROFL

Direckshun 03-22-2007 12:15 AM

Sportscenter says the two teams are good to go, but they've got to hammer out some details regarding Trent's salary.

Bowser 03-22-2007 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun
Sportscenter says the two teams are good to go, but they've got to hammer out some details regarding Trent's salary.

Yay seventh rounder.

King_Chief_Fan 03-22-2007 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs
FINS STILL SNIFFING AROUND GREEN

Gred Bedard of he Palm Beach Post reports that the Dolphins and the Chiefs are still working toward a trade that would send quarterback Trent Green to Miami. The only sticking point? Green's pay in 2007.

He's due to receive $7.2 million, $7.7 million, and $9.2 million in base salaries over the next three seasons. The Fins want to pay him far less than that. Per Bedard, the two sides are "in the same ballpark."

Under the deal, the Fins would send to Kansas City the second-round pick that Miami received from the Patriots as part of the Wes Welker trade. If the deal goes through, it'll be the third straight year in which a second-round pick was given up by the Dolphins for a quarterback.

The acquisition of Green could mean the end of the road for quarterback Daunte Culpepper in Miami, who was acquired from Minnesota last year for the Dolphins' second-round pick in the 2006 draft.

I never cease to be amazed at how incredibly stupid you are. You know this isn't the case. Just got to run over here with wrong news from Warpaint and make it look like you got the scoop. You got the poop. Try again.

Mile High Mania 03-22-2007 06:55 AM

Any team giving up a R2 for Green at his age is foolish... and I don't think KC will get more than a R4.

PastorMikH 03-22-2007 07:01 AM

For a second, I'd pull the trigger on the deal. If they can give him OL to protect him, Green would do them a great job for several years to come.

I doubt we get a 2nd for him though.




'Course in Archie's thread, they were throwing around Miami's SECOND SEVENTH round pick. I wonder if a reporter missed part of that statement and just ran with 2nd pick?

ct 03-22-2007 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPchief
Deal

ditto

EDIT:
Quote:

Under the deal, the Fins would send to Kansas City the seventh-round pick that Miami received from the Patriots as part of the Wes Welker trade. [Editor's note: A prior version of this story incorrectly said that the Fins would send a second-round pick to the Chiefs. We regret the error.]
:banghead:

Sadly, it appears the Fins have not lost their minds after all. A 7th is more like I would expect. Perhaps they'll make a typo like this on the official paperwork. :)

penguinz 03-22-2007 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by PastorMikH
For a second, I'd pull the trigger on the deal. If they can give him OL to protect him, Green would do them a great job for several years to come.

I doubt we get a 2nd for him though.

Several? He has 2 years left in him at best.

PastorMikH 03-22-2007 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by penguinz
Several? He has 2 years left in him at best.


That's several isn't it???

:)

PastorMikH 03-22-2007 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by coryt
ditto

EDIT:


:banghead:

Sadly, it appears the Fins have not lost their minds after all. A 7th is more like I would expect. Perhaps they'll make a typo like this on the official paperwork. :)



I had wondered that myself after reading Archie's thread yesterday.

Probably more important than the pick would be assuring Green doesn't end up in Oakland.

bkkcoh 03-22-2007 07:25 AM

Find a way to Git R Done Carl......... dammit

Eleazar 03-22-2007 07:31 AM

This is what meatpeeker has been intimating for weeks?

The erroneous one strikes again! LMAO LMAO LMAO

Hammock Parties 03-22-2007 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Cochise
This is what meatpeeker has been intimating for weeks?

The erroneous one strikes again! LMAO LMAO LMAO

Uh, no.

Bwana 03-22-2007 07:49 AM

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. I call :BS:

Iowanian 03-22-2007 07:54 AM

A 2nd is too much, a 7th is a sandy dirk diggler in the balloon knot.

I'd think a 4th would be about right....maybe a swap of 3rds.

xen 03-22-2007 08:00 AM

the fins are nuts if they give up a 2nd for green. n-v-t-s nuts.

boogblaster 03-22-2007 08:12 AM

Take what ever..that gives us more cap-space..maybe even a good OT or DT in the draft ....

cdcox 03-22-2007 08:13 AM

If we can get a second for Green, there is no reason we can't get a first. If we can get a first, there is no reason why it shouldn't be the first overall pick in the draft. I'm pumped.

htismaqe 03-22-2007 08:13 AM

If we can get a 2nd for him, DO IT ALREADY!!!!!!

Sure-Oz 03-22-2007 08:22 AM

Isn't the 2nd round just a typo?

Archie Bunker 03-22-2007 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz
Isn't the 2nd round just a typo?

Yep

GoHuge 03-22-2007 08:37 AM

It was just reported on 810 they want Green to take the league minimum in salary and give the Chiefs a 7th. They don't have Nick Athan on their staff either so they might just be throwing darts. The 2nd rounder just doesn't make sense, but I dont' have the insight that a premium membership gets you either.

ARROW2 03-22-2007 08:38 AM

DO IT!!!

Rooster 03-22-2007 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PastorMikH
Probably more important than the pick would be assuring Green doesn't end up in Oakland.

I agree. To get anything is good. He most likely was going to be cut anyway and the Oakland scenerio was one I didn't like.

htismaqe 03-22-2007 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by GoHuge39
It was just reported on 810 they want Green to take the league minimum in salary and give the Chiefs a 7th. They don't have Nick "The Erroneous One" Athan on their staff either so they might just be throwing darts. The 2nd rounder just doesn't make sense, but I dont' have the insight that a premium membership gets you either.

About the only thing more far-fetched than the idea that ANY team would be willing to give up a 1st-round pick for Green is the idea that ANY team would ask him to work for the league minimum.

Archie Bunker 03-22-2007 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoHuge39
It was just reported on 810 they want Green to take the league minimum in salary and give the Chiefs a 7th. They don't have Nick "The Erroneous One" Athan on their staff either so they might just be throwing darts. The 2nd rounder just doesn't make sense, but I dont' have the insight that a premium membership gets you either.

The 2nd rd pick rumor all started when Rotoworld misquoted the original article. Its a 7th rd pick.

Sfeihc 03-22-2007 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by xen
the fins are nuts if they give up a 2nd for green. n-v-t-s nuts.

Strangers in a strange land. A 7th for Green? Good deal for both sides. Chiefs wash their hands of a qb that is over-the-hill and at least receive a pick.

King_Chief_Fan 03-22-2007 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe
About the only thing more far-fetched than the idea that ANY team would be willing to give up a 1st-round pick for Green is the idea that ANY team would ask him to work for the league minimum.

exactly. He could get more than that staying put and compete for a starting job.

Sure-Oz 03-22-2007 08:49 AM

Too bad Green didn't have a little better #'s, but the offense was castrated at that point anyway, his value may have been boosted to a 4th or 5th rnder, oh well

Valiant 03-22-2007 08:54 AM

Why don't you just edit the post, are you wanting the attention???

vailpass 03-22-2007 09:35 AM

Plummer was worth a 4th and Green only commands a 7th?
Wonder why.

Bowser 03-22-2007 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass
Plummer was worth a 4th and Green only commands a 7th?
Wonder why.

BECAUSE PLUMMBER IS TEH GREATIST AND GREEN TEH SUXOR!!11189765!!

vailpass 03-22-2007 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Bowser
BECAUSE PLUMMBER IS TEH GREATIST AND GREEN TEH SUXOR!!11189765!!

Seriously though; why do you think that is?

Stinger 03-22-2007 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by vailpass
Seriously though; why do you think that is?

Coming off a injury is never a good thing, and age.

vailpass 03-22-2007 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Stinger
Coming off a injury is never a good thing, and age.

Have they said anything as to what his physical condition is supposed to be at the start of camp?

Bowser 03-22-2007 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass
Seriously though; why do you think that is?

Because Green will be 37 and coming off of a concussion that most of us would still be drooling from today. That's the only reason.

vailpass 03-22-2007 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Bowser
Because Green will be 37 and coming off of a concussion that most of us would still be drooling from today. That's the only reason.

A little defensive are we?

Bowser 03-22-2007 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by vailpass
A little defensive are we?

Not at all. That's really the only reason that would decrease his trade value, imho. Trent has everything you could ask for in a QB, except age. If he were 27 and coming off a concussion like what he had last year, I'd be willing to say that the starting job would still be his.

vailpass 03-22-2007 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Bowser
Not at all. That's really the only reason that would decrease his trade value, imho. Trent has everything you could ask for in a QB, except age. If he were 27 and coming off a concussion like what he had last year, I'd be willing to say that the starting job would still be his.

That concussion must be hanging around.

Sure-Oz 03-22-2007 10:07 AM

I heard this pick we get would be one of the last ones of the draft lol, wonder what the vikes would give us, maybe a higher 7th rounder hehe

Archie Bunker 03-22-2007 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz
I heard this pick we get would be one of the last ones of the draft lol, wonder what the vikes would give us, maybe a higher 7th rounder hehe

Yep. It would be NE's pick in the 7th.

Wile_E_Coyote 03-22-2007 12:09 PM

The things you hear when a player is on his way out. I guess Green didn't like Saunders any better than LJ did. He just handled it alot better

booger 03-22-2007 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by booger
You've indicated that "some chiefs fans will be suprised by what the team gets in return for trent" for awhile now.

Not sticking with that claim any longer?

No response GoChiefs?

so I asume nick thinks it's either the 2nd or the 7th, or some where in between, is that safe to say. ROFL

Please scoop us on this news GC!!! ROFL ROFL

vailpass 03-22-2007 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by booger
No response GoChiefs?

so I asume nick thinks it's either the 2nd or the 7th, or some where in between, is that safe to say. ROFL

Please scoop us on this news GC!!! ROFL ROFL

If you pinch your tongue while saying it out loud second and seventh sound like the same thing. :shake:

BigRock 03-22-2007 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by booger
No response GoChiefs?

so I asume nick thinks it's either the 2nd or the 7th, or some where in between, is that safe to say. ROFL

Please scoop us on this news GC!!! ROFL ROFL

The sad hilarity of this story deserves a recap.

- The Palm Beach Post said that the 'Phins would trade their second 7th round pick for Trent. (They ended up with two 7th rounders from the Wes Welker trade.)

- Rotoworld and ProFootballTalk, either both making the same mistake or PFT following Roto's lead, reported it as Miami trading their 2nd round pick instead of their second 7th. PFT acknowledged their error shortly after posting the story, not sure about Roto.

- Nick wrote a column for Warpaint on Wednesday night stating unequivacably that KC would get Miami's 2nd round pick.

- Shortly after PFT corrected their story, Nick changed his column to say that even though the Palm Beach paper was reporting Miami would trade their 2nd round pick (which they never said), Nick had a "source" telling him it would be a 7th round pick (which, of course, was the original story all along). Unlike PFT, which acknowledged their error, Nick edited his article without mentioning it had been changed.

- By Thursday morning Nick had changed his column again with a claim that the Palm Beach paper changed THEIR story and that they were now saying it would be a 7th round pick, even though that's what they had been saying all along. Even while accusing the Palm Beach paper of changing their story, nowhere did Nick acknowledge that his story about KC definitely getting Miami's 2nd round pick had now been changed twice.

- Nick now claims to have two sources telling him two different things, and says KC will get somewhere between a 2nd and a 7th for Trent. In other words, he acts like he has a source telling him that KC will get a 2nd for Trent, even though that story was just the result of a typo on another website.

It's journalism at it's finest. LMAO

To top off this amazing 24 hour period, Nick went onto the Royals' site on Scout to talk about the Royals and A-Rod and was laughed off the board.

Quote:

That has to be one of the most idiotic posts in the history of Royals Corner.

Really, CI, you should stick to spreading unsubstantiated rumors about the Chiefs. You demonstrate a complete lack of knowledge of both the Royals and baseball.

Sure-Oz 03-22-2007 03:03 PM

I remmeber when nick was on royalscorner saying a blockbuster trade to the royals was happening like last year with possibility of arod haha, what a douche

Iowanian 03-22-2007 03:08 PM

wartaint has been suggesting that fans would be "surprised" at Green's value for a while now.

Little did we know that Athan was genius enough to know that the surprise was that Green apparently has very little on the market.

HolmeZz 03-22-2007 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass
Plummer was worth a 4th and Green only commands a 7th?
Wonder why.

Because Tampa Bay is reeruned.

Eleazar 03-22-2007 03:21 PM

Quote:

- Shortly after PFT corrected their story, Nick changed his column to say that even though the Palm Beach paper was reporting Miami would trade their 2nd round pick (which they never said), Nick had a "source" telling him it would be a 7th round pick (which, of course, was the original story all along). Unlike PFT, which acknowledged their error, Nick edited his article without mentioning it had been changed.
Guy's as crooked as a bucket of snakes.

Crashride 03-22-2007 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HolmeZz
Because Tampa Bay is reeruned.

I second this statement. I live there.

booger 03-22-2007 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRock
The sad hilarity of this story deserves a recap.

- The Palm Beach Post said that the 'Phins would trade their second 7th round pick for Trent. (They ended up with two 7th rounders from the Wes Welker trade.)

- Rotoworld and ProFootballTalk, either both making the same mistake or PFT following Roto's lead, reported it as Miami trading their 2nd round pick instead of their second 7th. PFT acknowledged their error shortly after posting the story, not sure about Roto.

- Nick wrote a column for Warpaint on Wednesday night stating unequivacably that KC would get Miami's 2nd round pick.

- Shortly after PFT corrected their story, Nick changed his column to say that even though the Palm Beach paper was reporting Miami would trade their 2nd round pick (which they never said), Nick had a "source" telling him it would be a 7th round pick (which, of course, was the original story all along). Unlike PFT, which acknowledged their error, Nick edited his article without mentioning it had been changed.

- By Thursday morning Nick had changed his column again with a claim that the Palm Beach paper changed THEIR story and that they were now saying it would be a 7th round pick, even though that's what they had been saying all along. Even while accusing the Palm Beach paper of changing their story, nowhere did Nick acknowledge that his story about KC definitely getting Miami's 2nd round pick had now been changed twice.

- Nick now claims to have two sources telling him two different things, and says KC will get somewhere between a 2nd and a 7th for Trent. In other words, he acts like he has a source telling him that KC will get a 2nd for Trent, even though that story was just the result of a typo on another website.

It's journalism at it's finest. LMAO

To top off this amazing 24 hour period, Nick went onto the Royals' site on Scout to talk about the Royals and A-Rod and was laughed off the board.


I'm begginning to think that's where he gets most of his sources, just basically like we do from reading public reports. What a joke.

I respect what the other staff at the site does. Nugent and Campbell seem to have some insight.

To me, Nick putting himself in the spotlight as the publisher makes the whole thing a big assed joke when it could be better than that. He must have an ego to be in the spotlight.

Did anyone actually listen to the entire press conference with Edwards this past Tuesday?

Nick had a question twards the end asking edwards about trading up for Branch since his stalk is falling. Hillarious!!! He said to herm branch is sliding, he is slated to go anywhere in the top 10-15 and would KC move up to get him. He said it like it was all FACT not realizing it is obviously all speculation. I would have everyone listen to the end of the PC and Nicks question and Edwards response. Maybe it's just me but he sounded like a total moron.

booger 03-22-2007 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iowanian
wartaint has been suggesting that fans would be "surprised" at Green's value for a while now.

Little did we know that Athan was genius enough to know that the surprise was that Green apparently has very little on the market.

GoNick has been around here throwing the same thing around about a first day pick.

BigRock 03-22-2007 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by booger
Nick had a question twards the end asking edwards about trading up for Branch since his stalk is falling. Hillarious!!! He said to herm branch is sliding, he is slated to go anywhere in the top 10-15 and would KC move up to get him. He said it like it was all FACT not realizing it is obviously all speculation. I would have everyone listen to the end of the PC and Nicks question and Edwards response. Maybe it's just me but he sounded like a total moron.

He's been pushing that on their site, that KC might trade up for Alan Branch... even though it was Branch's workout with Krumie that started his slide in the first place. People started threads asking him to explain why he thought KC would trade up to grab a guy who's falling because KC's own D line coach made him look bad.

Naturally, he ignored those threads.

Mr. Laz 03-22-2007 04:19 PM

the more teams that show interest ..... the better the deal we get.


we need to start floating rumors

Archie Bunker 03-22-2007 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by booger
I'm begginning to think that's where he gets most of his sources, just basically like we do from reading public reports. What a joke.

Thats exactly what he does. For example Teicher puts in his article that the Chiefs are trying to sign Boone to a long term deal. 7 hours later Nick reports that sources have told him that the Chiefs are close to a deal with Boone. He did the same thing with every visit and signing.

His board started to turn on him when he whiffed completely on McIntosh. It was a pleasure to watch.

Mr. Laz 03-22-2007 04:22 PM

i think Green is worth more than most people around here do as well. :shrug:

vailpass 03-22-2007 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz
i think Green is worth more than most people around here do as well. :shrug:

I'm curious to see what other players have been traded for a 7th rounder and how they stack up to Green.

BigRock 03-22-2007 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz
i think Green is worth more than most people around here do as well. :shrug:

So do I, especially considering Trent could very well be Miami's starter. The Dolphins gave up a 2nd rounder for AJ Feeley a few years ago, and now Trent Green is being talked about for a 7th round pick?

I consider it highly dubious.

Mr. Laz 03-22-2007 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass
I'm curious to see what other players have been traded for a 7th rounder and how they stack up to Green.

if Green is willing to restructure for a chance to start with another team i think his value IS worth a 2nd rounder.

he is a proven starter who has thrown for multiple 4,000+ seasons and has been to multiple pro bowls. He is a high character guy who puts the team first with great intangibles.


he is an ideal 2nd tier type QB


the only downside is his age and that is minimized a bit by the fact that he didn't start for several years at the beginning of his career so his "football age" is much less.

booger 03-22-2007 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRock
He's been pushing that on their site, that KC might trade up for Alan Branch... even though it was Branch's workout with Krumie that started his slide in the first place. People started threads asking him to explain why he thought KC would trade up to grab a guy who's falling because KC's own D line coach made him look bad.

Naturally, he ignored those threads.


That's why I think he is his own worst enemy for warpaint. Scout.com is a joke because of their premium payment policys. But they have some good people at warpaint that want to try to be sucessful sourse of news and cover some different things that no one else does. As a KC fan I like that and hope they can achieve some of that. Nick ruins that by putting himself out in the public eye and acts like he has the pulse of the team while looking like a damn fool that no one respects. Best thing he could do with that site is keep his publisher role and stay away from the writing. He makes that site look stoopid.

booger 03-22-2007 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs
Aw shit.

come on meatpeaker, hurry up and tell us what compensation we will get for Green.

Or is it safe to assume it will be anywhere from the 2nd to 7th rds?

Also, when will it happen?

Anywhere from now until the draft? ROFL

Help me out Bro, i need the inside info.


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