New QB debate
 

So, now that Plummer is no longer in Denver and Green is on his way out in KC... can we start the debates over who is better between Cutler and Huard?

I'm going to miss all of those threads with ... Plummer > Green and vice versa. We need to address this quickly as I don't want these grand QB debates to be lost.

:)

Croyle >>> Cutler

Nice ... an entry for Croyle, so I'll start with Cutler > than any KC QB since there is so much up in the air.

Record and stats from last year indicate Huard. But, that was last year.
As far as who would I rate long term w/potential etc. Cutler?

I got a better idea. Let's talk running backs

Sorry guys, I have to say if I was making a choice right now, it would be Jay Cutler.

I guess I have more faith in Denver's system than ours right about now.

My dad can beat up your dad.

Just go buy a house in Denver, already.

This is like us comparing Bono to Elway, useless exercise.

I don't know if it's that dramatic, Logical.

KC needs to diversify the weapons for whichever QB takes the lead role, esp WR. Taking into how both Huard (for sake of this example) and Cutler did last year, both have huge potential. Looking at what Denver has done for the offense this offseason, I'm giving the big edge to Cutler right now for having great success in 2007.

The kid still has a lot to learn and nobody really knows what he can do, but it will be fun to watch.

KCF wanted to compare RBs... while I'll easily give the nod to LJ, I like my ability to debate better with Travis Henry now carrying the rock in Denver. I'm really optimistic about this offense finally having the 'one' RB mentality. Sure, Bell and others will get their shots, but the days of the splits are gone.

Jay Cutler always has that "mildly reeruned" look on his face.

Yeah, I think he's going to be one of those guys that still looks 20 at 40.

My comparison is more of the Stud vs Journeyman variety. Granted Cutler is still in the developmental phase of being a stud QB he definitely has the tools. Huard is and always has been nothing more than a journeyman much like Bono was back in the day. As to Croyle he is a complete unknown and mid rounder at that, he may or may not have starting potential though many on this BB would love you to believe he is a lock.

Cutler is the best football player in the NFL, no question about it. He is going to make Denver forget about Elway.

:hmmm:

You need to remember to take your pills every morning... you old dudes get whacky without 'em.

I'll agree for now.

Dang it, I knew I forgot something. But, it has to be true about Cutler, I read it on the Orange Mane. Some even said there is not any two players they would trade him for. :)

heh, nice call Garcia Chief.

LMAO In all seriousness, it is going to be fun watching the evolution of the Brodie Croyle/Jay Cutler battles.

Huard should only be compared to other backups...oh I see....the Cutler bandwagon is unloading already

You can't make any argument for Croyle because the guy hasn't done a single thing. Well, he's done a couple things and most of them have been interceptions, but whatever. The jury's out on Croyle.

I have to say Cutler has more raw ability than Huard, but Cutler personally cost the Broncos more games last season than he did personally win, which cannot be said for Huard. Huard's a wily game manager, and reacts far better under pressure.

The only games Huard struggled through were the games where our OL was torched by Pittsburg and Miami (we're not counting last year's Denver game, since our playbook was about two pages thick). If we build our OL up, Huard should do a similar job that he did last year -- few mistakes, few huge plays, lots of decent-to-good playmaking.

But you can't really compare Cutler and Huard, the two are too different in abilities and the roles they play on the team. I do think Cutler vs. Croyle is going to be a better comparison to make once Brodie's the man, and I like Cutler's chances a lot more then.

Dee Brown over Jay Cutler

Hey here is a crazy idea....how about we let them play before we say who is better. You want to judge thier college careers. OK easy Croyle wins, but does that really mean any thing in the NFL?

There's no room for reality on the message board, sir.

True-er words have never been spoken.

Elvis Grbac > Brian Griese

Cutler is really good. I seriously doubt Croyle will ever be as good as Cutler is. He's going to have to make up the difference in talent with his brain. We can only hope Cutler is a dumbass like his predecessor.

RIGHT NOW, Huard's better. But it won't last.

We'll see what Croyle has before starting that debate.

Actually, no. The Broncos have the best quarterback in the division by a landslide right now.

GM has better products.

Rivers is by FAR the best to date. Lets not crown Cutler yet, he throws a pretty ball but so does jeff George. Rivers won 14 games and actually got his team to the playoffs last year thats a hell of a lot more then we can say for Cutler. Every one seems to talk about his ability to throw the deep ball but they have all forgotten that he had plenty of chances to beat san fran in the final game of the year and he couldn't get it done.

With Donnie Edwards back to take care of pass coverage, I hope DJ will be able to blitz a bit more. Add in Knight and Wesley gone, Pollard will be on some blitz packages as well.

If Herm lets this happen, Cuttler will be as jumpier than Jake was.

:):)

Hmmm... I think Rivers is good, but I'd like to point to LT's 30+ TDs and 2,500+ total yards and say that HE (not Rivers) led his team to the playoffs.

No. Rivers was coddled for a great portion of the regular season and completely exposed by season's end.

Cutler wasn't given an equal opportunity, nor did he have LaDanian Tomlinson and a stellar defense. You give Cutler a back like LT and he will light shit up.

Cutler is more talented than Rivers and a better player.

Yep. LT and the D got them to the playoffs. Shoot, they probably could have carried any of the Raiders QBs to the playoffs too - and they were really bad.

How can you even say that? Potential doesn't mean squat. Hell, Ryan Leaf had tons of potential that didn't translate. Cutler hasn't done shit yet. And neither has Croyle. And until Green decides whether or not to go elsewhere he's still the best in the division.

Did you watch Cutler last year? I saw every single one of his games. He's a scary mother****er. I never EVER got that feeling watching Philip Rivers.

Cutler is better than Croyle. No discussion.

Croyle may end up better...but that's only speculation.

agreed

Cutler looks like a total badass....

I watched every single one of Denver's games for the past 10 yrs. I live in Bronco land. My GF is a die hard Bronco fan. River's has nothing to do with it. It was your statement that Cutler is the best QB in the division. He ain't. Green still is. Potential doesn't mean shit until it translates onto the field. And it hasn't for Cutler yet. Nor Croyle for that matter. :harumph:

Green is the best quarterback in the division, but he's being traded? Yeah, that makes sense.

And yes, it has. Cutler played quite a bit last year. He's a beast.

Rivers was coddled for one game, they opened the O in SD after the loss to the ravens last year. Every QB would like to have LT, but Rivers has him and Yes that makes him better(you know whetever it takes.) Cutler might be better in the future and he might fall flat on his face. Rivers is the best in the division right now, Cutler hasn't done any thing. I've seen Vick look really scary in a few games but that doesn't make him a good QB.

Eh, OK. Rivers just seems like another quarterback that needs alot of talent around him to succeed. Cutler is the engine that makes everything go.

So what you should have said is Cutler is my favorite QB in the division not He is the best.

It's both.

Cutler is the best QB in the division.

He is also GoChiefs favorite QB in the division (see my sig line).

The comment about Green being the best made me chuckle since you guys are running him out of town.

Time will tell with all of these guys. Rivers looks dangerous and while I wasn't sold on the drafting of Cutler at the time, I point back to why I'm typing on a message board and not calling the shots on draft day.

Um, no. I think he's the best. He's the most talented. He played as well as Rivers, if not better, as a rookie.

I feel incredibly dirty reading GC praise my team's QB like this...

Damon Huard is the closest being in the entire NFL that can stand next to Rich Scanlon. Cutler is a n00b.

He started 5 games last year. He was 2-3. His completion % was 59. He was sacked 11 times. Plummer despite starting 11 games was sacked 18 times. Plummer was 7-4 as a starter. Denver thru their season in the toilet when they switched QB's mid race.
Green is still the Chiefs QB until he decides to leave. The Chiefs aren't going to release him. It's his decision.

He has NO resume to back up the argument he's the best. If you wanna play whos got the most potential or who you think will do good on next years fantasy team, Fine. But sorry if the NFL folded right now and every player was ranked based on last year Rivers would be the best QB in the west. If Cutler was so god damned good why did it take shanny more then half a year to start him. I'll tell you why because although he played well he still made a lot of rookie mistakes.

Agreed.

Rivers didn't play as a rookie. He rode the pine behind Brees.

Exactly my point.

He started one game as a rookie remember he kicked our ass.

Blah blah blah.

Cutler threw 9 touchdown passes in only 137 attempts last year. That works out to about 30 touchdown passes in a full season. And he did this as a ROOKIE with nobodies at running back, a geriatric Rod Smith and Javon Walker. Not to mention some scrub at left tackle.

He's going to be a stud.

I'm going to say it took him that long... b/c he was a rookie and he was giving Jake enough rope to either do well or hang himself and he chose the latter.

Exactly. Rivers had one good season. Green had 4 great seasons as a Chief. He had his brain scrambled last year. He was tenative when he came back but had a good game at Cleveland despite the fact that the 32 defense reared it's head again at the end. I've a feeling if Green decides to stay he'll still beat Huard and Croyle out again.

Alan, you're drinking the koolaid here. Green is DONE. Brett Favre used to be good, too.

Very good points, GoBroncos.

Don't mention it, SoCalChief

OR.. he could blow a knee out and never be able to live up to whatever potential he has. Right now it's all speculation.
But calling him the best in the division right now is what I'm arguing about.

Maybe. But right now he's not the best QB in the division, hell he's not even the best QB drafted last year.

It's pretty weird when you think about the level of "starting experience" that the AFCW QBs have at this point... all 4 teams (depending on what OAK decides to do) are so young at the position now.

Enh, that's still debatable. How good would Young have been without Henry making them respect the run game? I think Young has huge potential, but that offense has take a few huge hits this offseason. Leinart - I like the offense, but he was no better than Cutler in 2006.

Young won the ROY award, sure... so he's the darling of the class right now, but let's see what the TN offense does to replace the losses of guys like Henry and Bennett.

Shanahan is putting a nice arsenal around Cutler right now.

He may decide to leave KC. But I sure as hell wouldn't be suprised if he's teamed up with a Coryell offense in Miami under Cameron and if he stays healthy he ends up going to the Pro Bowl again.
I guess we'll find out if he decides to go there.

OK. What has Green done lately to distinguish himself?

You can drink all the Cutler kool aid you want. I'd take Young 10 times out of 10 over Cutler. I'll give you that Shanny is building a nice arsenal around Cutler but he seems to be falling into the KC trap of all defense or all offense. You guys will probably have a good offense next year but your D is gonna keep going down hill.

You sure make a lot of excuses about other QB's and the players they have around them...while singing the Singl handed cutler praise. Rivers has LT and Young had Henry, are you under the impression Cutler can do it all by himself? Are you not counting on Henry helping Cutler this year?

I do hope Croyle starts this year and that The raiders get Russell it make for alot of storys and some intresting years ahead. Of course that being said I'm not that big a fan of Croyle, I'd love to see Brohm come here in 08.

I can't believe people even compare Young to Cutler. Vince Young is just a streetball QB. The dude started 13 games and only threw 12 touchdowns.

Being a gentleman despite attempts to be thrown under the bus.

But he WINS games. He almost single handly drug his team into the playoffs dude isnt "going to be a stud" he already is.

Stats are for losers. How many of those 13 games did Young win?

I wouldn't say stats are for losers but I will say Young is a winner all he does is win games the kid is uncanny.

Let me know when that wins football games.

To me,he has always looked like he is baked.