Denise, here's your warning...
 

We have a longstanding policy here that if you're not contributing to the football board at all, you're not a productive member.

I just ran a cross-section of your posts, and you've talked less football in the last few months than ClearVision.

You yourself said you're just not passionate about football anymore. A quick glance at your posts suggest that if you're that narrowly focused on human interest stories and politics, there's better bulletin boards for you to frequent.

And before anyone comes running in screaming about how unfair this is, it's happened before. We've banned multiple people under this very same premise.

Thank you for being the voice of reason and making the point everyone else has been trying to get across this whole time... :clap:

All you did was force her to share her football opinions. I don't think anyone benefits from that. Keep her in DC.

Yep. You asked for it....

you got it, baby!!!! :)

No one better :deevee: about my anti-King Carl rants. Or 6-10 and no playoff wins for the foreseeable future predictions.

Just ban her to the DC, problem solved, everyone wins. Can that be done??

Yeah, I had no issues b/c I never visit the DC area... now there will be more dumbassery than usual.

We've already got a half-dozen people that can rant about Carl and Herm much louder and whinier than you. Try to make it original.

You can always subject her to YET ANOTHER poll.

Trust me, there's too many people here that believe in freedom of expression, regardless of who or what is involved.

A warning to people who don't talk football?

How gay.

Yeah, too many people like the train wreck aspect that she brings... there's really no value, you just want to see the bitch session that ensues.

Well, it is a sports oriented place... there are plenty of other places for political agendas and bitchy nonsense.

I disagree with this. The ignore function still words does it not? This is a slippery slope. But I'm just a frequent visitor not an all powerful mod.:p

It's a bit inconsistent.

I'm not sure people should be banned for not being "productive members." I, for example, started frequenting the board in 2002 and have only posted some 200 times since then. I have friends who have been here longer and posted fewer than 100 times.

How productive is productive enough? Is there a specific requirement for degree and quality of passion for football to be allowed on this board?

This is stupid. Leave her alone.

ROFL

So get rid of DC and ban all political discussions? Just political discussions you disagree with?

What would you propose be done? Let the place unravel? I'm sure you've got somewhere else to go talk Chiefs, right?

Actually, this has been discussed ad nauseum.

The ignore function DOES NOT work.

That wouldn't be good enough because the goal is to get rid of her. The sad part of it is that no one has really explained how she's any worse than anyone else. She doesn't use abusive language and her posts represent legitimate discussion-starters. And while some easily riled people are offended by her style, I can think of a few other posters who have been far more offensive. And I'm sure there are a lot of people who post far more frequently on DC than on the football side.

This is just a way for setting the stage so that (what she says) can piss a few more people off and then they'll try banning her again later. Seriously, htismaqe talks about this being a football board but acts like it's a sewing circle with a bunch of whining gossipy fems.

If you don't want people posting only on the DC board, get rid of it. Get rid of all of the subforums except for the football forum. That way we're all held to the same standard instead of conveniently pulling out a rarely used policy when you want to get rid of someone for OTHER reasons.

It's quite consistent.

"Productive" has nothing to do with having too few posts.

"Productive" has everything to do with posting 20K political threads to 20 football threads.

It's NOT stupid, or maybe you just failed to notice what's going on here.

Once again you demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of the situation.

You're the very definition of whiny, gossipy fem.

Give me an example because right now you and a couple other macho men are looking like the whiny fems.

Seriously, this is like a turd in the punch bowl .......... Wasn't a smooth move Parker.

Some people can just ignore without having a button to click.........

ROFL

You are a complete moron, aren't you?

I voted NOT TO BAN her.

FIFTY PERCENT of the board's membership DID.

I'm offering her amnesty and you want to argue with me about it?

As for examples, I gave them in the other thread. She's destroyed at least 2 message boards before this one. I'm sure you'll have no problem finding a place for your liberal circle jerk when this one is gone, too.

SHUT UP.

I'll admit to not knowing the reasons this has come up. I very rarely every stray into the DC section. It doesn't interest me and there are plenty of a**holes in the lounge. I don't need to look for them anywhere else.

Are her posts pissing people off because she's flip flopping on issues JUST to piss people off or do they just not like her point of view?

Can't make everyone happy.

Sorry, but that's the nature of the business.

What I find funny is that DENISE has embraced this wholeheartedly.

As a temporary solution, I think that's a reasonable compromise.
I, for one, would vote for that qualified ban, while I voted against the other. :)

You can't make everyone happy.

Exactly. See my previous post.

This action is consistent with how this has been dealt with in the past. Nothing more, nothing less.

I didn't see that - but I do have new found respect for your position, and your decision. It sucks because no matter what you do, people will bitch. Usually the same people, too.

Parker I think it is a great policy and make sure you enforce it on some of the other DC people who hardly ever frequent the Lounge either

I really don't like doing this at all. This is one of a handful of extreme cases, and I'm dealing with it the best way I know how.

I'm not about to start trolling DC and looking for people to call out.

It goes beyond that; it's not her disagreement that is the issue. It's her tactics....her constant pushing of the envelope for the sole purpose of stirring shit. That's trolling as far as I'm concerned.

Geezus H...

Posts counts have nothing to do with being a contributing member of the board.

The DC area is here just for the likes of Denise... I have no issues with that area, I never visit it b/c I like to avoid the BS.

Might as well close this thread and just accept the reality. Actually, closing this thread will just keep topics about her in the DC area... where they belong.

Carry on, I'm done.

Amnesty for what? You're acting all high and mighty over a total non-issue. This whole thing makes those who were campaigning for her to be banned look like a bunch of fems, that's all. And some of those people campaigning to get her banned routinely resort to personal attacks.

There's a lot of hypocricy that goes on around here sometimes. And singling out denise for banning when some of the other long time regulars around here are far worse is hypocritical, IMO. I don't begrudge them for being assholes and they shouldn't begrudge denise for being an asshole.

You say I don't know the whole story but those who want her banned are referring to the things she says and how she says it. If that's it, that's hypocritical. If it's something that the rest of us don't know about then we shouldn't be having a poll.

I do the exact same thing. Her topics are just more "controversial".

I understand and I appreciate what you are doing.

But if this is a policy then IMHO it needs to be enforced across the board. There are several DC members that rarely post over here and contribute very little except in DC.

I've never put anyone on ignore so I wasn't aware that it quit working. Being consistent is a very good thing except when it was wrong the first time.

50 percent of the board doesn't want her here. I'm stepping between her and them - if she complies with my request, they have zero reason to attack her anymore. It's not surprising that you can't see the forest through the trees.

Get off it already. More conservatives have been banned from this place than liberals, after all that's what this is about for you, isn't it?

Were you a member of the KC Star message boards before this place was formed? If you weren't, then you don't know the whole story and that's the long and short of it.

Nope, this is the only chiefs joint I frequent.

That being said, I keep forgetting Jimmy Wilkerson is from Omaha.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/player?statsId=6525

I went over there and practiced last night.

Those ****sticks almost won State last year.

He's taking the correct approach. He's cutting the head off the snake. She's the lead asshat in these parts.

Truthfully, in the short term this is going to suck for everyone. That hard-headed bitch won't just leave, she's going to drop her stupidity into the Lounge more frequently. The upside is that she's also too f**king dumb to leave the politics alone and since every issue, political or not, relates to Bush in her small, twisted mind, within three months she'll have pissed off enough more people that her dumb ass will get banned.

Forum owners can do what they want. That said, during the offseason the fraction of board traffic that has anything to do with football is pretty small. If political threads are put in the DC subforum, then who cares if she's overly "political"? Pretty silly IMO to have a DC subforum and then ban someone for posting their political views.

Most of us were brought here by our connection to the Chiefs, but this board evolved long ago into a broader community discussion board -- I think that's a good thing and I hope it continues.

Also, I don't pay close enough attention to know the political leanings of the mods suggesting the ban, but I'd question whether or not this new policy would also apply to people on the other side of the aisle. In my view there's just as much (if not more) right-wing "political garbage" on this board than left-wing "political garbage".

This has been the policy since I’ve been a member her, Penchief.
If you took a rational look ‘round you’d probably notice that. Want an example? Mad-Profit-Margin was a guy from Chicago that only posted in DC. I liked the guy even though I typically disagreed with’im, and he was banned ‘cause he didn’t discuss football. When he was warned, he basically said, “I’ll do what I want where I want”, the reply was, “no you won’t” and he was banned.
Denise has skirted this for years, and I don’t really understand why. She’s a troll, plain and simple, and trolls get banned. It’s what they’re for.

I misspoke.

It's not "Broken".

It's just EASILY circumvented.

You actually, whether you realize it or not, make contributions to sports threads (football, basketball, KU-Hating type threads....) that are substantive in nature....and not just mere trolling.

if by legitimate discussion starters you mean statements specifically meant to piss people off and other statements meant to specifially inflame the community then yes, yes i think you're correct. :rolleyes:

I agree it is the correct approach and it should be for everyone. I think he should put everyone on notice in the DC that if they don't start posting in the Lounge and on football topics they will get banned.

BLAM

:p

I just never try to contribute. Everything i've said has pretty much been said time and time again, so I don't bother.

Meanwhile, she's beaming with pride and happy as the cat who just ate the canary at all this attention she's getting.

Let me make this PERFECTLY clear.

Denise is not being singled out for her political VIEWS.

NOBODY will be singled out for the quantity or quality of their posts in the DC subforum. The DC subforum was created SPECIFICALLY for that purpose.

The "warning" issued to Denise was based on the content of the posts she's made in the LOUNGE.

That's the ticket. Make people post on the football board so they can get called names by the experts because they don't know what they're talking about, thereby, lowering the level of debate on the football side. And at the same time, kick out those people who have worthwhile input on the DC side, also lowering the level of discourse in the DC forum.

You're right, this would be a much more enlightened place if half the people around here were gone and the other half didn't post anything that stirs the pot.

Are we going to ban the jerk who made the comment about terrorists killing her kids? Any action against him? I don't care who you are, no one deserves that.

Have the mods looked into what Iowanian actually has said to her in the past that caused her to send him the private message? Does he have a long-standing history of sending inappropriate messages to her? I saw some of them -- are there others that cross the line? Will he be banned or punished for those?

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com...usbusiness.jpg

I know I'm not contributing anything to this discussion but I thought this was funny and appropriate :D.

Then that should have been the reason from the start. I didn't hear all of those girly men complaining because she doesn't post on enough football threads. I heard them singling her out because they don't like the way she 'stirs the pot' on the DC side.

If you're so worried about the level of discourse in DC, perhaps I should unban Marc Bulger and Tom Cash?

It's pretty obvious who the whiny fem is here.

By the way, the SUBJECT of this warning (not you, in case you missed it) happily accepted all of this about 45 minutes ago. Fight on, though!

Quoted for truth.... :clap:

Please unban Tom.

Well, shit. Now she's gonna be on a bunch of football threads. I guess she's going on ignore.

That WAS the reason from the start.

Or did you even bother reading my thread starter, you know the one that coincidentally DIDN'T mention the events of yesterday, the previous poll to have her banned, or the people that were complaining?

i hate slippery slope.

makes me wanna shove people.

Last time I checked this is a Chiefs football board not DU. If you are not here to talk about the Chiefs or the NFL why the **** do you post here?

Link and quote please.
What I saw of Iowanian’s post was that he hoped here kids joined the Marines. Hardly a threat to anyone.

So let me get this straight. Someone (Kotter) who has a picture of Fred Thompson as their avatar with the caption "Run Fred Run" is advocating that someone else be banned for making too many "political" posts?

I know that you consider Denise's posts to be "trolling", but that's based upon your disagreement with her political views. I don't see her flooding the main board with new threads, or by herself hijacking other threads and turning them political. Unless her M.O. has recently changed, usually someone else goes "political" and then she responds. Then about 10 people jump on and start degrading and insulting her, even those times when she makes a good point. (A bit of a back-handed compliment, I know.)

I'm sure if Ann Coulter (who makes her living as a political "troll") became a regular and started to spew her typical incoherent ranting on this board, some of the regulars around here would welcome her with open arms (even if they did confine her to the DC forum).

penchief. You'll be much happier at the following links. I'm sure you have heard of them....but in case you haven't found them:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/

http://moonbatcentral.com/wordpress/

http://www.moveon.org/

http://www.cpusa.org/

Glad I could help. ;)

I talk football. Often. Especially during the season.

Duh.

But that has traditionally gone on from both sides of the spectrum. In fact, it would be hard to deny that denise's relationship with many board members who dislike her has been a two-way street.

Her posting style may be provocative but so is calling someone an Islamic whore. And it can be said that denise stays on topic instead of resorting to the same kind of personal attacks that she has had to endure. And if someone is going to counter that kind of disrespect with thread titles that intentionally annoy, oh well.

“Girly men”? Wow, Penchief’s have’n a homo-erotic meltdown.
Why martyr yourself for someone that you can’t even agree with and get along?

I wonder what FAX would do for slippery slopes?

Maybe she wouldn’t get called those names if she didn’t purposely try to annoy. :hmmm:
And since you don’t seem to actually read any of Denise’s posts, she doesn’t post much of anything that isn’t an attack at someone else.
She’s a troll, trolls get banned.

Of course you do. But I still think the hypocrisy is hilarious.

All that's happening here is that instead of outright banning her because her politics are "in your face" and in opposition to the "majority" on this board, certain people have intentionally crafted the issue to make it about whether or not she talks enough about football. This wouldn't be an issue if certain people didn't find her posts and her politics to be annoying in the first place. The veil is pretty thin here.

damn..no wonder Gaz doesn't post here anymore. this place is losing it's burst.

Penchief is doing a nice job of showing why there is so much anomosity towards Densie and the DC forum...here and others fling whatever whenever they want, then play the victim when called on it.

I think bill parcells dem video was spot on...there is a handful of people who can never afford to be wrong...instead, they wait daily for any mistake, so they can be claim to be "right".

I'm not complaining. I'm just pointing out the gigantic hole in the logic being used. It's hypocritical. But you go on acting like it's not.

You are kidding yourself. This entire issue arose because of what happened in DC and people not liking her political beliefs and posting style.

From the person who started the ban poll:

"I want the bitch gone - it's not like I'm losing sleep over it. I didn't have scale a cliff or dodge bullets to post this poll. Life will go on. I've endured her thinly-veiled, poorly disguised racist and anti-American hatred for years. I'll continue to do so.

And the next time video surfaces of some captured Marine getting his head sawed off, and she can barely contain her glee, a lot of the people who voted to keep her around will scratch their heads and say "Damn, somebody really ought to do something about this.""

The old rule that people must post football posts was a good idea years ago, but you and I both know that the nature of this board has changed dramatically since back then - in fact you were complaining about it a week or so ago. Some people are best left in DC.

Intentionally craft?

ROFL

You do realize that this EXACT SAME policy has come into play AT LEAST SIX TIMES over the last 5 years, right?

The veil is indeed thin. It fails to cover the fact that you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

pardon me for butting in....

Couldn't you put her on universal ignore (didn't this condition once exist for Redrum_69 ? ). People who want to un-ignore her can.


go back to your activities.

Hypocrisy on who's part?

Mine?

Let me make this very clear, AGAIN.

I didn't participate in yesterday's "Ban Denise" lynching. I voted NOT to ban her.

My first foray into anything doing with Denise's posting habits started with this thread this morning.

So you can stop attributing the behavior of other people to me and assigning false motive any time now. I'll accept your apology with no hard feelings whatsoever.

Ban (memyselfi) 04-17-2007 04:59 PM Valiant

If I were religious I would pray that your children were killed by a terrorst that way you wouldn't know who to hate... hows that for a negative rep, you worthless twit...

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You, like penchief, assume that I agree with the person that started the ban poll.

And you also wrongfully assume that banning her was my motive for starting this thread.

If I really wanted to ban her, I would have.

oh bullchit ...... the only time you bring out this "post about football" crap is when it's some liberal you wanna get rid of.


shit ..... does Donger even know what a football is?


has a non-lefty ever been banned that wasn't "American hero-esque"?