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Mecca 04-24-2007 04:17 PM

If the Chiefs select ____________ in the 1st Rnd, im going to be pissed
 
fill in the blank...

Skyy God 04-24-2007 04:18 PM

G

LiL stumppy 04-24-2007 04:20 PM

jarret

Tribal Warfare 04-24-2007 04:22 PM

Justin Blalock, Tank Johnson, Joe Staley, Aaron Ross, Ted Ginn Jr

unothadeal 04-24-2007 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pittsie
G

ROFL

Sam Hall 04-24-2007 04:33 PM

I'm at the point where I've heard enough to not like any of our potential first round picks. I've felt that way about the WRs for a long time. We can get one later, maybe Rice in the second round. The only options I feel comfortable with are Revis and Staley, both of whom may not be available.

Saulbadguy 04-24-2007 04:35 PM

Anyone from Division I-AA, II or III. Other than that it's ok.

OnTheWarpath15 04-24-2007 04:58 PM

Joe Staley, Dwayne Bowe, Aaron Ross.

EDIT: Add Ted Ginn and Sydney Rice to that list.....



And before someone asks who that leaves that I'd be OK with:

WR: Meacham, Jarrett

CB: Revis, Houston

DT: Harrell

Sully 04-24-2007 05:02 PM

For some reason I am hating this year's draft. We've picked this low before, many times, but there has always been some player that I felt would be decent at that spot...

But every player that can be at our spot has been absolutely bashed in different places, and has tainted all of them for me.

el borracho 04-24-2007 05:08 PM

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=160860

Mecca 04-24-2007 05:10 PM

"The worst possible pick" and "I hate this player" aren't the same, like someone here may hate Justin Harrell but wouldn't say it was the worst possible pick but they may be pissed about it.

CoMoChief 04-24-2007 05:11 PM

G, RB, or Aarron Ross, Joe Staley, Tank Tyler

And actually more I think about it Sydney Rice would be the ULTIMATE worst first round pick we could pick.

el borracho 04-24-2007 05:18 PM

If the Chiefs select ____________ in the 1st Rnd, im going to be pissed
 
Greg Olsen

htismaqe 04-24-2007 05:41 PM

Ross or Staley.

the Talking Can 04-24-2007 05:41 PM

any OL

unless we drop way down




I'm not thrilled about CB either, but I don't really know anything about them

suds79 04-24-2007 05:49 PM

Robert Meachem

ChiefsCountry 04-24-2007 07:07 PM

Joe Staley, Aaron Ross, Justin Harrell, DeMarcus Tyler

DaKCMan AP 04-24-2007 11:00 PM

Dwayne Bowe, Ted Ginn Jr or any CB

BigRock 04-24-2007 11:12 PM

Anyone we draft in the first round is going to piss me off. If we trade LJ and manage to move up for Calvin Johnson, I'm going to start a "Calvin Johnson?! MOTHER F**K YOU, CARL!" thread.

OnTheWarpath15 04-24-2007 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRock
Anyone we draft in the first round is going to piss me off. If we trade LJ and manage to move up for Calvin Johnson, I'm going to start a "Calvin Johnson?! MOTHER F**K YOU, CARL!" thread.


ROFL ROFL

Mr. Flopnuts 04-24-2007 11:31 PM

Marshawn Lynch. Even if he fell to 23. I'd be sick. I think this guy is going to be bust. I have nothing to back it up, I just don't like what I've seen.

NJ Chief Fan 04-24-2007 11:56 PM

Boy where do I start? Its not likely to happen, but if Russell or Quinn fall this far, pass. Ill move on to the WRs, no Bowe, Meachem, Rice, or Ginn. No G's. No CBs. No DTs. Staley at 23, but if we drop about 6 spots and pick another pick Id take it.

ChiefsCountry 04-24-2007 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NJ Chief Fan
Boy where do I start? Its not likely to happen, but if Russell or Quinn fall this far, pass. Ill move on to the WRs, no Bowe, Meachem, Rice, or Ginn. No G's. No CBs. No DTs. Staley at 23, but if we drop about 6 spots and pick another pick Id take it.

I take it you just want Jarrett.

NJ Chief Fan 04-25-2007 06:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry
I take it you just want Jarrett.

Pretty much, unless Calvin Johnson, Okoye, Brown, or Thomas, fall to us(possibly even Branch). Id also settle for a LB(as long as its not Poslusnzy(sp?) or DE. But I really like the idea of loading up on first day and early 2nd day draft picks. So trading this pick wouldnt be a bad thing in my eyes.

ct 04-25-2007 10:46 AM

Dwayne Jarrett or Ted Ginn Jr.

EDIT: Following Warpath's lead...

I'm good with the following @23:

CB: Revis
DT: Harrell (or Branch if he were to fall that far)
OT: Staley
OG: Grubbs

Only Revis do I truly like @23, all the rest I'd prefer to move back. So since it's unlikely Revis is there, moving back is my preference.

eazyb81 04-25-2007 12:38 PM

I can't see many picks I would absolutely hate this year. We have so many needs that you could make a case for numerous players. However, taking a DE or G would be stupid IMO, so I guess I would list Anthony Spencer, Ben Grubbs, and Justin Blalock.

The one thing that will truly piss me off is if we reach for player that is valued as a 2nd or 3rd rounder.

htismaqe 04-25-2007 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eazyb81
I can't see many picks I would absolutely hate this year. We have so many needs that you could make a case for numerous players. However, taking a DE or G would be stupid IMO, so I guess I would list Anthony Spencer, Ben Grubbs, and Justin Blalock.

DE? You do realize Jared Allen got arrested again, right?

Quote:

Originally Posted by eazyb81
The one thing that will truly piss me off is if we reach for player that is valued as a 2nd or 3rd rounder.

Like Joe Staley.

Brock 04-25-2007 12:44 PM

I don't know. Anything less than first round talent, I guess. Some people were pissed about selecting Tamba Hali, so there is obviously a lot of variance in how players are viewed by fans.

eazyb81 04-25-2007 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe
DE? You do realize Jared Allen got arrested again, right?

Yes.

Quote:

Like Joe Staley.
Are you ever going to drop this topic? We disagree, it happens. Stop being such a pantywaist. Every legit mock grades Staley as a 1st round talent at this point.

htismaqe 04-25-2007 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eazyb81
Are you ever going to drop this topic?

Nope.

Quote:

Originally Posted by eazyb81
Every legit mock grades Staley as a 1st round talent at this point.

That's funny considering those same "legit" sources had him as a late 2nd/early 3rd when the actual football games ended.

htismaqe 04-25-2007 01:30 PM

Okay, forget the Staley thing for a minute.

Why are you opposed to drafting a DE?

Frosty 04-25-2007 01:38 PM

After reading this thread, I'm guessing a meltdown happens, no matter what. :)

As for me, I would be disappointed with Staley, Ross, a TE or a RB. I'm not a big fan of any of the DTs that would be available there, either.

I am prepared to be disappointed. :(

Kclee 04-25-2007 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Why are you opposed to drafting a DE?

I would be opposed to a DE because after the 4-6 games Allen is out we would have 3 DE's. (starting material) So we would have our 1st rounder rotate the last 10-12 games? I would rather draft a DT, WR, or OL. IMO even a CB would fill a bigger purpose as a nickle his first year and compete for starter the next than a guy only filling a spot for 4-6 games. Then for sure you know Allen is gone and we have no trade leverage if we pick a DE in the first. Now if I knew that Allen would be traded before he comes back from susp., then by all means, look at DE.

htismaqe 04-25-2007 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kclee
I would be opposed to a DE because after the 4-6 games Allen is out we would have 3 DE's. (starting material) So we would have our 1st rounder rotate the last 10-12 games? I would rather draft a DT, WR, or OL. IMO even a CB would fill a bigger purpose as a nickle his first year and compete for starter the next than a guy only filling a spot for 4-6 games. Then for sure you know Allen is gone and we have no trade leverage if we pick a DE in the first. Now if I knew that Allen would be traded before he comes back from susp., then by all means, look at DE.

There's a good chance Allen misses more than 6 games and is gone after this season anyway. When Allen does play, there's no reason you couldn't have all 3 on the field, Hali plays off the line standing up (rather than in a 3-pt) many times a game.

eazyb81 04-25-2007 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe
That's funny considering those same "legit" sources had him as a late 2nd/early 3rd when the actual football games ended.

Show me some proof that a "legit" draft site had Staley pegged as a 3rd rounder after this season.

htismaqe 04-25-2007 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eazyb81
Show me some proof that a "legit" draft site had Staley pegged as a 3rd rounder after this season.

That's a little hard to do, considering almost all of these draft sites change their content on a daily basis. Nonetheless, with a little ingenuity and the Google, here you go:

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn...c.php?t=198691

Joe Staley, OT, Central Michigan. Staley, initially a third- or fourth-round prospect, showed his natural athleticism during a great on-campus workout. Look for him to go in the second half of the second round.

http://transcripts.usatoday.com/Chat...pt.aspx?c=1120

Rob Rang: Joe Thomas from Wisconsin and Levi Brown from Penn State are clearly the top two OTs in this draft. Thomas is unlikely to get out of the top 3. Brown could make it to the Texans, but because of the lack of depth at the position and his strong performance at the Senior Bowl, the Texans may have to consider moving up to guarantee his selection. The third tackle on our board at NFLDraftScout.com is Central Michigan's Joe Staley. Staley has great athleticism, but is significantly rawer than Thomas or Brown and should be a second-round pick.

I'll find some more...

OnTheWarpath15 04-25-2007 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe
That's a little hard to do, considering almost all of these draft sites change their content on a daily basis. Nonetheless, with a little ingenuity and the Google, here you go:

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn...c.php?t=198691

Joe Staley, OT, Central Michigan. Staley, initially a third- or fourth-round prospect, showed his natural athleticism during a great on-campus workout. Look for him to go in the second half of the second round.

http://transcripts.usatoday.com/Chat...pt.aspx?c=1120

Rob Rang: Joe Thomas from Wisconsin and Levi Brown from Penn State are clearly the top two OTs in this draft. Thomas is unlikely to get out of the top 3. Brown could make it to the Texans, but because of the lack of depth at the position and his strong performance at the Senior Bowl, the Texans may have to consider moving up to guarantee his selection. The third tackle on our board at NFLDraftScout.com is Central Michigan's Joe Staley. Staley has great athleticism, but is significantly rawer than Thomas or Brown and should be a second-round pick.

I'll find some more...


Nice finds. I've been looking as well, but like you said, it's next to impossible considering these sites update content constantly.

Kclee 04-25-2007 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe
There's a good chance Allen misses more than 6 games and is gone after this season anyway. When Allen does play, there's no reason you couldn't have all 3 on the field, Hali plays off the line standing up (rather than in a 3-pt) many times a game.

I see what you are saying, but to use a 1 rounder for a worst case scenairo? There is also a chance he is only out 4-6 games and has a change of heart and signs long term with the Chiefs. Then what? Play a D thats good for 3 DE's? Eh, who knows, time will tell.

siberian khatru 04-25-2007 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arc
After reading this thread, I'm guessing a meltdown happens, no matter what. :)

We've drafted the "right" guy two years in a row, making everybody happy. No way that happens again. :)

suds79 04-25-2007 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kclee
I see what you are saying, but to use a 1 rounder for a worst case scenairo? There is also a chance he is only out 4-6 games and has a change of heart and signs long term with the Chiefs. Then what? Play a D thats good for 3 DE's? Eh, who knows, time will tell.

Yeah I agree.

Jared is a nutcase but he's also young and one of the top 5 DEs in the game. We'd better sign him to a long term deal and plan on him being on this team. He's our best defensive player.

htismaqe 04-25-2007 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suds79
Yeah I agree.

Jared is a nutcase but he's also young and one of the top 5 DEs in the game. We'd better sign him to a long term deal and plan on him being on this team. He's our best defensive player.

That's gonna be hard to do considering that he's one transgression away from sitting out an entire season...

HolmeZz 04-25-2007 05:27 PM

Eh, what's wrong with Staley?

htismaqe 04-25-2007 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HolmeZz
Eh, what's wrong with Staley?

Nothing, if we pick him in the 2nd or 3rd...

HolmeZz 04-25-2007 05:30 PM

There's a reason we can't pick him in the 2nd or 3rd.

htismaqe 04-25-2007 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HolmeZz
There's a reason we can't pick him in the 2nd or 3rd.

He probably won't be there when we pick in the FIRST.

Doesn't make him worth it.

NJ Chief Fan 04-25-2007 08:30 PM

You people do realize in a cover 2 you need depth along the Dline.

Mecca 04-25-2007 08:53 PM

Staley is a classic example of teams knowing how important LT is and him being shot up the board due to a few workouts, need picks and workouts shoot him up the board......that's how you get a bust.

88TG88 04-25-2007 08:54 PM

Eric Wright


and maybe Aaron Ross

Brock 04-25-2007 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NJ Chief Fan
You people do realize in a cover 2 you need depth along the Dline.

What people are you talking to?

HolmeZz 04-25-2007 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca
Staley is a classic example of teams knowing how important LT is and him being shot up the board due to a few workouts, need picks and workouts shoot him up the board......that's how you get a bust.

I think it has more to do with the fact that he went to a small school and not until he competed recently against top talent was he able to show what he could do.

NJ Chief Fan 04-26-2007 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock
What people are you talking to?

The ones opposing DE with our first pick.

Kclee 04-26-2007 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NJ Chief Fan
You people do realize in a cover 2 you need depth along the Dline.

You do realize we have 1.5 out of 2 starters for DE and 0 out of 2 starters for DT. All we have is depth on the roster. If the war room thinks it's a reach for a DT, then look at WR or OL. Still reaching? We will need 2 CB's real soon and a nickle this year, grab a CB. Still not the right player? Then grab a stud DE. Who do you have in mind that would fall to us? This is all IMO of course but would rather use a later pick on DE.

Bowser 04-26-2007 07:54 AM

Joe Staley or Ben Grubbs, which almost guarantees one of those two will be the pick.

htismaqe 04-26-2007 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HolmeZz
I think it has more to do with the fact that he went to a small school and not until he competed recently against top talent was he able to show what he could do.

Scott Wright disagrees with you.

2. Joe Staley, OT, Central Michigan
There is no doubt that Joe Staley is one of the hottest prospects in the draft right now and while you certainly can't discount his talent and great Pro Day workout (he ran a 4.82 forty at 304 lbs.) a big part of the reason is simple circumstances at his position. Basically the supply is just not meeting the demand when it comes to the offensive tackle position and if you don't get one of the Big 3 of Joe Thomas, Levi Brown or Staley there is a chance you won't get a left tackle who can come in and contribute early on. Right now Staley is a lock for the Top 20-25 and depending on how things break down the Top 10 overall is not even out of the question.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/features/hotlist.html

HolmeZz 04-26-2007 09:24 AM

I don't disagree with the premise that somebody might take him higher because of a need, but I disagree with the idea that he's only up there because of that. There've been players in recent years who've come from smaller schools, made a splash at workouts, and shown they deserved the jump up the board(Merriman and Ware for example).

But I don't see the Chiefs taking Staley anyway. They usually don't draft the 'hot' prospect. Lately they've drafted for value, getting guys who've fallen past where they should've gone(LJ, DJ, Tamba).

eazyb81 04-26-2007 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe
Scott Wright disagrees with you.

2. Joe Staley, OT, Central Michigan
There is no doubt that Joe Staley is one of the hottest prospects in the draft right now and while you certainly can't discount his talent and great Pro Day workout (he ran a 4.82 forty at 304 lbs.) a big part of the reason is simple circumstances at his position. Basically the supply is just not meeting the demand when it comes to the offensive tackle position and if you don't get one of the Big 3 of Joe Thomas, Levi Brown or Staley there is a chance you won't get a left tackle who can come in and contribute early on. Right now Staley is a lock for the Top 20-25 and depending on how things break down the Top 10 overall is not even out of the question.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/features/hotlist.html

But Scott Wright also considers Staley a top 23 prospect and lists him as such on his Big Board, which contradicts your claim that he is a reach.

'Hamas' Jenkins 04-26-2007 01:50 PM

Any DT other than Branch or Okoye. Any CB.
Dwayne Bowe. Joe Staley. Roger Vick.

htismaqe 04-26-2007 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eazyb81
But Scott Wright also considers Staley a top 23 prospect and lists him as such on his Big Board, which contradicts your claim that he is a reach.

Scott has him rated a top 23 prospect because

1) he had great workouts

2) the OT is extrememly thin

He says that plainly in several places on his website. Scott is predicting where he'll GO, not where he DESERVES to go.

I'm just glad we won't have to worry about it, he'll be gone before we pick.

eazyb81 04-26-2007 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe
Scott has him rated a top 23 prospect because

1) he had great workouts

2) the OT is extrememly thin

He says that plainly in several places on his website. Scott is predicting where he'll GO, not where he DESERVES to go.

I'm just glad we won't have to worry about it, he'll be gone before we pick.

His big board is where he ranks each player regardless of his position. Players don't go up or down on there based on how deep their position is.

"The following are Scott Wright's positional rankings for the 2007 NFL Draft. Please note that where players are ranked does not necessarily reflect where the players may go in the draft, but merely where he personally has them ranked on his board. These rankings are very fluid."

htismaqe 04-26-2007 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eazyb81
Players don't go up or down on there

These rankings are very fluid.

Enough said.

bdeg 04-26-2007 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HolmeZz
I think it has more to do with the fact that he went to a small school and not until he competed recently against top talent was he able to show what he could do.

The only chance he had to compete against top talent was the senior bowl.

I believe he gave up 2 sacks.

htismaqe 04-26-2007 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bdeg
The only chance he had to compete against top talent was the senior bowl.

I believe he gave up 2 sacks.

3 sacks, 2 forced fumbles.

bdeg 04-26-2007 05:11 PM

Ouch.

eazyb81 04-26-2007 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe
These rankings are very fluid.

Enough said.

ROFL

Please note that where players are ranked does not necessarily reflect where the players may go in the draft, but merely where he personally has them ranked on his board.

'Nuff said.

penchief 04-26-2007 06:14 PM

Rice or Bowe.

I'd rather not take a receiver in the first but the only ones I won't disappointed with will be Meachem or Ginn, Jr.

I don't think there will be any DT's left worth the 23rd pick but I would withhold judgment on Harrell since he's struggled with injuries. Most everything I hear is that he's a team leader and his stock is rising.

As far as the offensive line goes. That is my biggest concern. I would find Staley acceptable but would be happier with Blalock.

I really don't know enough about the top corners but the one that I would like to get in the second or third round would be Hughes. He seems like a football player.

That said, listening to Herm describe the kind of player he likes (tough and smart), I tend to think that if Posluszny is there at 23, we just might take him. Which I would be okay with, too. I like football players more than I like athletes.

CanadaKC 04-26-2007 06:43 PM

Joe Staley

htismaqe 04-26-2007 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eazyb81
ROFL

Please note that where players are ranked does not necessarily reflect where the players may go in the draft, but merely where he personally has them ranked on his board.

'Nuff said.

You can't even wait one post to contradict yourself, you do it all in the same thread.

We get it already, you know infinitely more about the draft than the rest of us.

Do us all a favor and stop trying to remind us every 5 minutes.

beer bacon 04-26-2007 09:27 PM

Any CB. The cover 2 does not require CBs with 4.3 speed.

SBK 04-26-2007 10:30 PM

If we take a punter with our #1 I just might go postal.

Ultra Peanut 04-26-2007 10:38 PM

Anyone.

OnTheWarpath15 04-29-2007 06:14 PM

Well, I'll admit: I was pretty pissed when the announcement was made, but after thinking about it, it wasn't as much about picking Bowe as opposed to NOT picking Meacham.

I've warmed up to Bowe, and hope that the lasik surgery cures his biggest problem I had with him, his drops.

Welcome to Kansas City, Dwayne.

CupidStunt 09-29-2007 08:59 AM

The hard-ons for Meachem were always ridiculous.

Can't even crack the lineup of a team with dogshit at WR.

teedubya 10-02-2007 08:38 PM

I just hope we don't pick Bowe. Anyone but him and his awesomeness. Please, someone mediocre. NOT BOWE!

pikesome 10-04-2007 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penchief
Rice or Bowe.

I'd rather not take a receiver in the first but the only ones I won't disappointed with will be Meachem or Ginn, Jr.

I don't think there will be any DT's left worth the 23rd pick but I would withhold judgment on Harrell since he's struggled with injuries. Most everything I hear is that he's a team leader and his stock is rising.

As far as the offensive line goes. That is my biggest concern. I would find Staley acceptable but would be happier with Blalock.

I really don't know enough about the top corners but the one that I would like to get in the second or third round would be Hughes. He seems like a football player.

That said, listening to Herm describe the kind of player he likes (tough and smart), I tend to think that if Posluszny is there at 23, we just might take him. Which I would be okay with, too. I like football players more than I like athletes.

Hindsight...

We need a few years before this post looks completely back-assward but signs are looking up for the Chiefs.

Zeke Ziggle 10-06-2007 03:48 AM

Its a mute point now but think of what could have happened if we passed on Bowe and SD got him

pikesome 10-06-2007 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke Ziggle
Its a mute point now but think of what could have happened if we passed on Bowe and SD got him

Norv Turner can make anyone suck.


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