Cleveland ****ed us
 

piece of shit mother ****ers

i hate the chiefs. . .

Somehow, it's George Bush's fault.

That deal was crazy. There was nothing we could do.

Damn it Carl!!

Someone had to do it =P

Hah! morons! Little do they know, the Raiders already have him under contract.

Trading next year's first is always a fool's bet, IMO.

I'd say the Browns saved us from ourselves actually. We actually got a guy at a position of need.

lol how is QB not a position of need what if quinn becomes the next Joe montana,Quinn wasn't just another QB he was a position we should have built a franchise around.

How many first round picks would you have given up for him?

Only the one we used but if he dropped to 23 and we did not pick him in favor of a unproven QB in Croyle then carl is more stupid then I thought.

I wish the Browns had given us a top 10 pick to move........

Ahh, we should have gone for the proven college QB over Croyle....

Croyle is a Project there is more chance for him to be a back QB then a NFL star.Brady on the other hand is a 50/50 he is the type of QB teams should be built around.

I don't think you understand what Cleveland gave Dallas.

Brady Quinn will start Day 1. Just like Tim Couch.

The Chiefs will NEVER EVER develope a rookie QB as the "future".... We ALWAYS go after the "3-5 years of service left in the NFL" QB's....

Carl won't allow this franchise to ever pick in the top 15 or lower... He will always keep the team just good enough to make us contenders til the last game of the year --- but --- never good enough to win the whole damn thing....

I do understand Cleveland Way overpayed for what they got but ppl on here are acting like we shouldn't care because we have croyle and QB wasn't a need.

Ryan Leaf, Akilli Smith, Rick Mire, and Tod Blackledge

Quinn will start for the Browns.... Carl would never let Herm start him though on Day 1...

Croyle has a great chance to be successful in the NFL. He's been in the program for a year and added muscle (I've seen him).

Yes, we had a need at QB. Brady Quinn isn't the answer.

I think you missed my point.

Quinn is more likely the next Rick Mirer, than Montana, IMO. I sure would have liked the extra picks, though. :(

The way most fans acted when quinn was gone just proves my point chiefs fans love there team to be mediocre at best.

He was more of the answer then Croyle hence why he was worth a 1st round pick.

Quinn gets happy feet, and flustered when things don't go his way, hence the errant passes against bigtime competition. The guy doesn't have that composure you expect. He's a phsyical specimen, but games aren't played in the weight room

Huard... Croyle... Green... there's a starter or two in there... hence, not a position of need.

How exactly is Quinn proven?

Green is done Huard is old and Croyle is more a ? mark then Quinn hence it was very much and still is a position of need.

And you know this how...?

You don't even know how to use punctuation.

Croyle
YEAR CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
2003 182 341 2303 53.4 6.75 86 16 13 27 117.97
2004 44 66 534 66.7 8.09 57 6 0 4 164.63
2005 202 339 2499 59.6 7.37 87 14 4 36 132.78

Quinn
2003 157 332 1831 47.3 5.52 85 9 15 13 93.52
2004 191 353 2586 54.1 7.33 54 17 10 25 125.87
2005 292 450 3919 64.9 8.71 80 32 7 20 158.40
2006 289 467 3426 61.9 7.34 62 37 7 31 146.65

And one isn't coming off a big injury.

Wow you cannot prove your point on how croyle is a better choice then quinn so now you move on to personal insults.

It would have taken a 3rd and 5th to move up. There are too many holes on the team to give away half of the draft for one player, especially when there is lot of value in the mid rounds.

You're reaching a lot. Other positions... WR, OL, DL, CB are much more immediate need positions for the Chiefs.

How exactly is Croyle more of a question mark than Quinn? How much did Huard's age keep him from being the second rated passer in the league last year? How do you know Green can't bounce back after last year now that he's had time to really recover from the concussion? Obviously the Dolphins think he can.

Do you base your comments on anything at all or do you just like to shout out a lot of bullshit?

ROFL

College stats mean everthing when projecting a player to the NFL I guess. Ryan Leaf couldn't miss either.

I never said Croyle was a better choice. He may be, he may not be. But if he doesn't work out we still have two other proven guys on our roster.

Pay attention.

All this Quinn bickering and Croyle trashing is freakin HI-larious.....Croyle yea isn't proven neither is Quinn--neither one would survive behind our current Oline or without any more decent help at WR....we have no "proven" fullback....we need to get younger at CB....and we have 3 QB's on the roster, yea what a waste of a draft pick that would have been, *EDIT*not to mention Casey Printers and Omar Jacobs

I've been mowing too long today.... Sun has fried my brain...

LMAO Ryan Leaf LMAO

Opppppppppps.... I missed Tim Couch's name in there... I get it now...

1st Answer The stats and injury speak for themselves

2nd Answer When you have a old QB who is on his way out (Huard) a good team looks a for a Good replacement.

3rd if the Fins are so confident how come they only want to give up a 6th for green?

I believe most fans would like to see us win the big one....


And I also believe most fans KNOW we will never win the big one also...

The Chiefs don't agree with you.

Did I say every QB with good college stats makes it in the NFL NO I said it gives him more of a chance then Croyle to make in the NFL.

Green is anything but proven since his concussion.

The Chiefs didn't agree with me on junior siavii pick Either yet any one with common nfl sense knew it was a bad pick.

Brodie became only the second freshman quarterback since 1979 to pass for over 1,000 yards in a season. Croyle had 1,046 yards passing. Brodie played in 12 of the Tide's 13 games, earning starts in consecutive games against Arkansas and Georgia. He played a total of 327 snaps on the season. Brodie finished hitting 60-of-123 passing attempts for 1,046 yards and five TDs

Brodie became the first sophomore in Alabama history to pass for 2,000 or more yards in a season. He was the Tide's starting quarterback in 11 of the 13 games, missing starts against Georgia and Southern Miss with a shoulder injury. He closed the season hitting on 182 of 341 attempts with 16 touchdowns

Pros: Has a strong arm that has drawn raves from NFL scouts. Has improved in every aspect of play and has the physical talent to become an NFL starter. He shows great poise and courage in the pocket and has the fire to direct an offense. Has a good feel for pressure in the pocket with quick mobility to avoid rushers. Has a compact delivery that wastes little motion and allows him to get the ball off nicely under pressure. His decision-making ranks very high in this talented class and he sees the field well.

Numbers: The most prolific passer in Crimson Tide history. He is first in career completions (488), attempts (869), yards (6,382) and TDs (41). He has a .562 career passing percentage and owns the school record with 190 consecutive completions without an interception. At the Combine, he ran a 4.9 with a 30.5-inch vertical jump and an 8-foot, 8-inch broad jump. He threw the ball very well in the passing drills.

1st... college stats only speak to a players potential in the NFL... nothing more... and players, especially young ones come back from injury all the time.

2nd... The Chiefs obviously feel Huard has a lot left... that's why they paid him. If he doesn't, they obviously feel good about Croyle too.

3rd... Of course the phins aren't going to offer much for a 37 year old QB... if they can get him for less why offer more? And the Chiefs are going to ask a lot for a guy who they (the phins) consider a starter. They'll probably meet in the middle. That's called negotiation.

You may be right about Quinn and Croyle. I'm not saying you won't be. Quinn MAY be great and Croyle MAY be a bust... but nobody knows yet. So far both are just unproven college players. You act as though you KNOW Quinn is going to be better than Croyle and you simply don't. That's just what you THINK.

With Cleveland this guy will struggle at first.
Braylon Edwards may turn into a good FF pick.
KW Jr. may be more of a threat.

but it's still Cleveland

Right... no other team has ever drafted a player that didn't work out before. Maybe you should get a job with the Chiefs draft team.

Not always. I'll start by noting that I think a team like the Browns, where teh pick could easily be in the top 10, should almot never be traded away. BUT, I think, The Browns current leadership is trying desperately to save their jobs.

But other than that, picks and players are just commodities. Next year's pick is an unknown commodity, to a degree, because the position isn't determined, but teams already have a good sense of whether the draft is a strong or weak one, and how the player you intend to get now (a known commodity) compares to what is likely to be available next year, depending on the pick.

As a simple example, if a player is on the board in the early 2nd round that a team like the Pats, Chargers, Bears or Colts (all likely 10+ game winners with a pick likely in the bottom 1/3rd of next years draft) rate as a "first round value", then it would make sense to me for a team like that to trade a 1st next year to get that guy.

Come on man siavii is a pretty famous shitty pick most draft boards had him going in the 4th-6th rounds.

Yes he was shitty. Bowe shouldn't be as shitty.

I can't speak for anybody else, but the reason I don't care is because we have needs everywhere, and there is no way I would have given up what Cleveland did. So basically, the whole thing is irrelevant.

exactly ...... take Quinn or take the extra picks IF cleveland traded with us.

we were on the brink of SOMETHING good and ended up with sly morris.

how can the whole thing be irrelevant?


several things could of happen that would of given us a chance with ending up with something extra .... something above and beyond.


1. Dallas takes Quinn (bad, but that really wasn't happening imo)

2. Dallas passes on Quinn and we take him ..... giving us a tremendous value pick and the best QB prospect we've had .... pfft...... ever.

3. Dallas passes on Quinn and Cleveland trades with us ... giving us an extra 2nd round pick this year and an extra 1st round pick next year. Have we ever had two 1st round picks? i don't think so.


instead we end up with the #23 pick of the draft .... meh

ROFL

Sly Morris played 1-AA ball.

Bowe played in the *SEC*.

Don't be dumb.

It's irrelevant to me because none of those things happened.

I was fishing and listening to Fox radio.

Dallas told EVERYBODY right before their pick that they were taking Quinn.

Dallas had the cards.

There's not one thing here to blame the Chiefs for.

fantastic, Forrest.

doesn't the title of the thread say "cleveland ****ed us"

show me where i blamed the chiefs?

Give me a break. You've dedicated two whole thread to it.

bullchit .... you assumed that's what i'm saying.

because ... well ... that's just what you do.


i'm pissed off at cleveland and the situation in general ... even your peanut brain can comprehend that.

And they trade to get in front of us again. Wonder what they gave Dallas this time.

Twice.

fuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I wanted Wright

F*** the Browns.

Are they just throwing away their draft to try to mess up ours?

Cowboys are getting some great deals.

You've spent 7 years blaming the Chiefs for stuff like this. You're ranting and raving about something that doesn't affect our team in the slightest. Umm, yeah.

Yeah, me too. The talking mouths on ESPN are sure beating him up and knocking Cleveland for taking him.

We wouldn't have taken Wright anyway.

be careful ..... being mad at cleveland = blaming the chiefs


apparently

So are the guys on the NFL network. They liked our pick, though.

Are you trying to suggest you don't have a notorius history for doing it?

If the Browns hadn't traded up, Dallas probably would have taken Wright. NFL Network said Dallas liked him in the 1st, but passed because of character concerns.

I disagree

I think McBride was the target all along...his profile fits exactly what Herm wants, both in ability and attitude.

Given what they're going through with Allen, I don't think they'll touch a guy like Wright with a 10-foot pole.

Somebody was going to trade up. Dallas was telling everyone they were taking Quinn.

I meant in the 2nd round. If the Browns hadn't moved up to grab Wright, Dallas probably would have taken him themselves. So Cleveland didn't really screw us on that one.

Well, assuming those fucks don't start trading away picks from 2015, we should be safe from their meddling one who sucks the penisy for the remainder of the draft. But certainly the damage is done.