So.....will CP get Miami's 4th Round Pick for Green?
 

I'm thinking "yes" at the moment....

I mean, Beck needs time to sit on the bench; a year or two of watching Green is just the ticket, IMO. He could be a good QB.

However, if Miami refuses to budge....I honestly, say, screw it; keep Green as long as we can....depending on cap considerations, if we got the money....keep Green as an insurance policy....it's not as if he hasn't earned that money, IMO, anyway.


Plus, THEN we still screw the Dolphins. :)

So, what will happen??? :hmmm:

I would assume so. I don't think there's any way we let him go for a 6.

It's a 4th... only seems fair.

Hold on to him. Some QB on a conteder will be injured in training camp or the first couple weeks of the season. We'd get at least a 3rd or a 4th in next year's draft for him then. Assuming we can handle his cap number.

Honestly....if they don't give us a 4th for him; I say Green comes to camp with us....and competes for the job (assuming there is cap room). The guy has earned his money. He could surprise us, win the job...and give Croyle another year to get ready.

With the increased cap, this would seem to be a good year for it... :hmmm:

Yup. Fugg Miami. :D

Let 'em start the season with a rookie QB or Cleo Lemmon. ROFL

We get a 5th for Hall.

Trent holding a clipboard is worth more than a 6th.

Miami doesn't have a 5th.

Then the ONLY way Green goes short of a 4th round pick....is a 2nd or 3rd NEXT year. :harumph:

:)

It was a 5th for Hall. But yeah, your point stands.

Green winning the job wouldn't be a surprise to anyone, IMO. He's still the best QB on our roster.

It's just that it's time to move in a different direction. I'd think Trent would understand that. I hope he does, anyway. He's one of my favorites. The guy was a good soldier, and a great QB. Gave us plenty of good memories.

I think the chances are pretty good for the 4th round pick. If Miami refuses to give it up I hope we hold on to him. cdcox makes and interesting point on trading him during camp or early on. At worst we see what he has left during camp and possible give Croyle some more time to develop before being thrown into the fire.

They should try to get this 4th......it's a high 4th and can fill a need for us.

Damn, you said the same thing while I was typing it. ;)

I think it happens tomorrow and the compensation includes a '07 sixth and a conditional pick in '08.

Great minds, you know.... :)

My mistake, Thanks

I thought Nick Athan said it was a done deal that Trent was going for a 3rd and a 6th.

According to what I've heard he's packed his bags.

a 4th or they can take a flying leap

So, is it a Fourth...or is Carl about to take it up the anus? :hmmm:

6th -maimi wins
4th - chiefs win

Yep.

Sick 'em, Carl.

That's why, for Miami....it's FOURTH round pick...or nothing.

Eat it, Phish. :cuss:


:)

I don't see any reason why the Airfish would cough up even a 7th.

Why?...

Because Green is STILL the best proven QB on our roster; pay him his contract....out of gratitude for his contributions (like Priest)....and let him compete. What's the real harm in giving Croyle the benefit of another year of watching Green? In a year the cap may allow it.... :shrug:

Unless they want to be tight-asses I suppose. :harumph:

I don't believe the Phins have a 5th round pick.

Nothing in this response even addresses why the Dolphins should give up draft picks for Green.

Nothing...

i don't care why, I just want a 4th....they've offered a 6th and according to new chief some type of deal is done that will be announced tomorrow...so we'll see..

4th, damnit... 4th... c'mon... give it up. 4th.

THERE IS NO NEED TO TRADE FOR GREEN.

They have a vet on roster and youth to learn under him now.

There is no longer a need to even look at Green as a free agent. None.

I'd love to pawn off his inflated salary too but that train has left the station...

maybe you should tell them that, becuase rumors are that a deal is done...

Is that vet Lemon? Don't really see Culpepper as a viable mentor. They could defiantly use a good vet starter for at least a year or two while Beck develops. On the other hand if they want lowball us on Green we can use him in the same capacity for a year.

It's called leverage in negotiations.

If they call "bluff;" we stick it to 'em.....keep Green. And they go into the season opener with Cleo Lemmon as their QB. And we actually have a better chance of winning a few more games next year IMHO, because Green is still our best QB. And we screw the Phins in the process, and appear to take the high road by giving Green his money.

The only way we "lose" in this scenario is dollars paid...to Green.

NOTE: If it truly inhibits our signing of someone who could REALLY help our team next year, THEN you cut Green before you pay his salary....and leave the Phins with MINIMUM time to work with him.

JMHO.

Now ya see, da Coryell offense iz predicated upon 7 step drops an' hitting da 7 route, which will later open up da 9 route. You need uh solid left tackle ta protect yo' quarterback, an' preferably uh running back wiff soft hands who iz also uh running threat. See, watch dat safety telegraph his blitz. I know he'scoming into da A gap now. otay buh-weet

Why not have the rook watch THE WONDER THAT IS CLEO LEMON.

And try not to ah fumble in the process of dis. When you need a big play look for Randy...um I mean Chambers and just unload in his direction. He will catch it. Wait are you serious we don't have Moss to throw to? Guess you are fucked. Damn my knee hurts.

Great. I hope it happens.

I'm comfortable with Huard and Croyle fighting it out. I like either of them starting.

But it's obvious Miami hasn't given up on the raw talent Crotchpopper had pre-injury. They also drafted a very solid prospect.

By trading for an aged QB at this point they only prolong the process of finding the next franchise QB...

I agree that there's no reason Miami *should*, but that doesn't mean it won't happen. There wasn't a good reason for them to pick up, of ALL people, Ted Ginn at 9 and skip Quinn, but it happened.

Or not destroying that prospect by starting him right away.

I know we all say 4th or bust...

But Trent's not doing anything for us anymore. A 6th would be a bargain on a guy with no more value to the Chiefs, and little value anywhere else.

I'd be at peace with a 6th.

I just want the pick. Nothing about their motivations interests me.

But, most of the talking heads think Culpepper will be released outright.

I wouldn't trade for Trent either. Which makes this feel a little like Christmas

They want Trent to start. Even for a year a starting QB is worth more than a 6th.

And I certainly feel no reason to give them the starting QB they want for a 6th. Bad precedent.

If we can unload Trent for their 6th string practice squad kicker I say get the deal done. Let's act like hard asses though, say we won't accept anything but a 4th rounder, then a 5th rounder, but if it gets to the 7th round, just take the 7th round pick and move on. It's sad, but Trent serves no purpose anymore for the direction this team is going.

I would like to see Trent compete for the job this year. Unless we get Miami's 4th and a conditional pick next year. I know a lot of you think it's crazy, but I'm not counting us out this year.

If they don't give up a 4th, f 'em. F 'em up their stupid a's. Let it drag out until they see their guys stink up the joint in minicamp, panic, and cough up a 3rd or so for next year's draft.

I'd start getting the Lions involved for their 4th or 5th round pick

Can we trade Greg Wesley too?

so, have i missed something? have they traded green or if they do who is our new QB?

So far, a young guy we drafted from Alabama last year named Brodie Croyle. Huard will still be backup.

thanks for the info, just not really impressed with brodie, but then again don't know too much about him.

Nope, and prolly Brody Croyle. CP will prolly tank this one and get nothing for Green before they release him.......

If we don't we should get a 3rd or 4th pick compensation from the nfl correct???

[QUOTE=BIG K]Nope, and prolly Brody Croyle. CP will prolly tank this one and get nothing for Green before they release him.......[/QUOTe

hopefully green with stay here this year, but you never know

[QUOTE=Cowgirl]Not too sure Green staying is a good thing if they want to move forward with the 'youth' movement....As another poster stated a few days ago, the Chiefs have been putting off the rebuilding mode for over a decade. Perhaps its time. As a die hard Chief's fan, I always feel they are 1 or 2 players away from the Superbowl...As 'kommen cence' sets in, it's prolly time to blow up the roster.... :banghead:

It was said on the draft today that the Chiefs were the oldest team in the NFL.

A Dick Vermiel by product......

Gee, I never heard that before, thanks for the 411....I bet most of those ******* are approaching, say, 37?..........They should should just die, huh?







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Not anymore they're not.

losing Green, Shields, Bartee, Hicks will change that a lot

If we give up Green for a fourth we still lose.

Trent is better than a fourth round pick, and it is still my opinion that he is better than the two QB's we have on the roster (that really count).

Is he worth being the highest-paid player on the team?

Well I disagree that post concussion Trent is better than the other two guys we have on the roster but lets say you're right in that Trent is better.

How much longer could he being better last? The guy is down to about 2 years left in the league. Who knows what level he will be at?

I'd rather take a chance on a 4th or 5th round pick to bring in a 23 year old guy who could help us in the future.

Let's hope we get the 4th...

There's a lot of talent to be had in that round still.

They have a vet on thier roster in Culpepper who is injured and won't be ready until 2 or 3 weeks into the season at the earliest.
I don't know how you can say that there is no need to trade for Green. The Air Coryell offense is the most complicated offense run in the NFL!!! There is no way that Culpepper, Lemon, or Beck will ever figure it out in thier first or even 2cd year. If the Dolphins want to win NOW which is what they are built for, thier defense is OLD, they NEED Green.

IF THE DOLPHINS WANT A TOP 5 PICK NEXT YEAR THEN THEY SHOULDN'T MAKE THIS TRADE.

Yeah. I was thinking the same. We have done well this year. A 4th would be nice. I'd settle for a 2nd/3rd next year. Miami will be a .500 team or less again.

If I'm Carl Peterson, I don't trade Green for anything less than a 4th.

If I'm Randy Mueller, I don't go any higher than a 6th, and that only because my new HC wants him.

Fortunately for us, I'm not Mueller.

The Dolphins are built to win now in much the same way the Chiefs were built to win during Dick's era, which is to say that they aren't really built to win at all.

They can't compete with the elite teams in the AFC, or even in their division.

With Trent they might finish ahead of the Jets in their division, although I think even that is unlikely.
They certainly won't win the division over the Pats.

Even if they finish second in the division and find themselves in the playoffs, they will not advance.

If the Dolphins want to achieve that same medicrity level that the Chiefs have been stuck in for 18 years, THEY NEED GREEN.

If they want to build a team that actually has a chance to compete in the next couple of years, thay have no need for Green at all.

To me, trading for Green, regardless of compensation, is non productive and short sighted on the Dolphins part.

Ok, well maybe we can trade them Huard. ;)

Pretty much right on...which is why I expect Miami to do it.

Well, we'll know soon enough.

Yeah, really soon.

The draft resumes in a half hour, and Miami will be on the clock shortly after that....

Although, I could still see a later deal....for conditional picks from next year. :hmmm:

Gammon was also a big part of making the Chiefs
the oldest team in the nfl -we need a long snapper

According to NewChief, the deal is done.

They are just waiting until today to report it.

That is one of those "it depends" statements. IF he plays like I think he can this year the answer is yes. IF he doesn't then you also know what the answer to that is.

The biggest problem that I see is that we have a known quality QB in Green. Huard is adequate but I don't think he should be considered better than Green in any case. Croyle is the total unknown quantity. He could step in and be the next Joe Montana, but then he could step in and be the next KC QB that does nothing and is out of the league the next year.

There was an article in the KC Star yesterday by Pos, it was good and CP pointed out some of the aspects of Green that is overlooked. You should look it up and read it.

As far as the salary goes, the very bottom line is that KC wanted to hook TG up for an extended period and offered him the contract, he accepted and from what you see in the papers Green is standing by his side of the contract. He has been at all of the off season workouts even with the possibility of a trade looming in his future.

We signed a LS.

Jean Phillipe-Darche from Seattle.

Where did he say that? This thread?

I wasn't on at all yesterday, so I'm quickly trying to get caught up.

Thanks.

If it is less than a 4th
it must be a pick next year or a player
Ricky Williams should have little/no value