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Mr. Flopnuts 08-01-2007 10:54 PM

Would you want to bring in Corey Simon for a look?
 
If so, let Carl know, looks like he's gonna be available.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2957930


Colts owner says former Pro Bowl tackle Simon will be released
Associated Press

Updated: August 1, 2007, 10:14 PM ET
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TERRE HAUTE, Ind. -- Colts owner Jim Irsay said Wednesday night that he expected to release former Pro Bowl tackle Corey Simon within the next few days, ending months of speculation concerning Simon's future with the Super Bowl champions.



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Simon did not pass his physical over the weekend. He was expected to report to camp on time Sunday but was never seen at Rose Hulman Institute of Technology.

Irsay on Wednesday tried to clarify Simon's status with the team.

"Hopefully, we'll have something worked out with that. I think he may pursue his opportunities somewhere other than here," Irsay said. "I think we may come to an agreement in the next few days and he may pursue other places to play. I think it's better to get it resolved in the next day or two."

Simon did not play last season and was eventually placed on the non-football illness/injury list with an undisclosed ailment. Since winning the Super Bowl, the Colts have been debating what to do with Simon.

"Free agency is really risky and when they came to me with the opportunity I was OK in going for it," Irsay said. "You know the risk is there and it simply didn't work out. But as an owner who pays the checks, winning the Super Bowl is a nice massaging balm cream to ease the pain."

Colts coach Tony Dungy said he had been in touch with Irsay concerning the move.

"I didn't know how far along we were but I knew that was the direction we were going," Dungy said.

pikesome 08-01-2007 11:00 PM

I'm thinking Indy will have a tough time repeating next year. They seem to be hemmoraging players.

And no, I wouldn't bring Simon in.

RustShack 08-01-2007 11:04 PM

He failed his physical, and didn't do much in Indy. I would much rather bring in Tank Johnson than Simon, but I think we are fine without either. I honestly would have no problems if the Chiefs signed him though, if hes good enough to make the team I would be all for it.

kcchiefsus 08-01-2007 11:08 PM

Wouldn't hurt to take a look. If he can get healthy I would rather have him than James Reed who sucks.

KCCHIEFS27 08-02-2007 01:30 AM

Of course we should bring him in, just to take a gander and see how he works out. I mean, come on, did he really fail a physical? Or was it a Simeon Rice type deal? I think it was more about contract disputes than a failed physical. We need to sign this guy or Tank Johnson. Point blank(period)

ClevelandBronco 08-02-2007 01:42 AM

Is Carly Simon (circa 1975) available for a close look?

DaKCMan AP 08-02-2007 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts
Simon did not play last season and was eventually placed on the non-football illness/injury list with an undisclosed ailment

otherwise known as FAT.

King_Chief_Fan 08-02-2007 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RustShack
He failed his physical, and didn't do much in Indy. I would much rather bring in Tank Johnson than Simon, but I think we are fine without either. I honestly would have no problems if the Chiefs signed him though, if hes good enough to make the team I would be all for it.

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We share the same thoght on this one.

ROYC75 08-02-2007 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco
Is Carly Simon (circa 1975) available for a close look?

That would work ........ :)

the Talking Can 08-02-2007 07:49 AM

I'd take Johnson in a heartbeat.

Reerun_KC 08-02-2007 08:26 AM

Why waste the time when you are trying to get younger and better? Nothing like trimming the dead fat weight off your team then people clamoring to add it back...

HemiEd 08-02-2007 08:30 AM

Carl dodged that bullit once, I am sure he can do it again.

Mr. Laz 08-02-2007 08:58 AM

not unless he's lost 200lbs already

Hootie 08-02-2007 10:17 AM

No thanks.

Orlandochiefsgrl 08-02-2007 10:50 AM

He's so vein, he probably thinks this thread is about him.

kcchiefsus 08-02-2007 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC
Why waste the time when you are trying to get younger and better? Nothing like trimming the dead fat weight off your team then people clamoring to add it back...

Well James Reed is about 30 so if he took James Reed's spot on the roster we wouldn't be getting any older.

Frankie 08-02-2007 11:44 AM

We should bring him in for a look. What does it hurt? And I would take him over screwhead Tank Johnson.

rad 08-02-2007 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcchiefsus
Wouldn't hurt to take a look. If he can get healthy I would rather have him than James Reed who sucks.

James Reed does not suck. I think maybe you suck, but not James Reed.

The Bad Guy 08-04-2007 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rad
James Reed does not suck. I think maybe you suck, but not James Reed.

James Reed is a boarderline rotation player at best.

What's the harm? Simon isn't a cancer.

Hootie 08-04-2007 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy
James Reed is a boarderline rotation player at best.

What's the harm? Simon isn't a cancer.

The dude got his big contract and now he doesn't care.

That's the harm.

Some people are motivated to earn that big contract and some people aren't...I have a feeling Simon's days in the NFL are very limited.

Mecca 08-04-2007 11:51 AM

James Reed and Ron Edwards are both at best rotational players....the DT issue isn't even close to fixed.

Edwards has a history of being injury prone so counting on him 2 years in a row is risky.

The Bad Guy 08-04-2007 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie
The dude got his big contract and now he doesn't care.

That's the harm.

Some people are motivated to earn that big contract and some people aren't...I have a feeling Simon's days in the NFL are very limited.

Simon was the 6th pick in the draft. He made a TON of money before his big pay day.

Some of you act like we have Pat Williams, Kevin Williams and Warren Sapp in his glory days in a rotation.

Have you looked at the shit we have at DT?

There's no harm in bringing in a guy on a minimum contract.

None.

alanm 08-04-2007 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy
Simon was the 6th pick in the draft. He made a TON of money before his big pay day.

Some of you act like we have Pat Williams, Kevin Williams and Warren Sapp in his glory days in a rotation.

Have you looked at the shit we have at DT?

There's no harm in bringing in a guy on a minimum contract.

None.

The problem would be that he wouldn't play for the minimum. And if he can't pass the physical what good would it do to bring him in?
Pass.
But I bet Denver's all over it. :)

Demonpenz 08-04-2007 01:59 PM

simon was a beast in the day maybe he can return to form

htismaqe 08-04-2007 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy
Simon was the 6th pick in the draft. He made a TON of money before his big pay day.

Some of you act like we have Pat Williams, Kevin Williams and Warren Sapp in his glory days in a rotation.

Have you looked at the shit we have at DT?

There's no harm in bringing in a guy on a minimum contract.

None.

The rooks aren't "shit". They aren't anything yet.

Which is better than Simon, an overpaid, overweight has-been.

The Bad Guy 08-04-2007 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe
The rooks aren't "shit". They aren't anything yet.

Which is better than Simon, an overpaid, overweight has-been.

You're right.

It would be the worst thing ever to give him a minimum contract to see if he has anything in the tank.

We have so much defensive line talent, we can just roll with 3 DTs who have been rotation guys their entire career and a rookie who is getting dominated in camp.

There is zero harm in bringing someone in for a look to see how they are. The Chiefs aren't giving him a 10 million signing bonus.

htismaqe 08-04-2007 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy
You're right.

It would be the worst thing ever to give him a minimum contract to see if he has anything in the tank.

We have so much defensive line talent, we can just roll with 3 DTs who have been rotation guys their entire career and a rookie who is getting dominated in camp.

There is zero harm in bringing someone in for a look to see how they are. The Chiefs aren't giving him a 10 million signing bonus.

Right now, the word is he can't even pass a physical, so it's a moot point.

htismaqe 08-04-2007 02:38 PM

And yes, there is harm in it.

Any down he plays instead of one of the rookies would be wasted.

The Bad Guy 08-04-2007 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe
Right now, the word is he can't even pass a physical, so it's a moot point.

Simeon Rice couldn't pass a Bucs physical, but passes a Giants one.

I think if a team wants a player off the team, that's a perfect way to get him off - by failing the physical.

Eleazar 08-04-2007 02:44 PM

When was the last down he played in the NFL, 2005?

We need to get younger, not older.

The Bad Guy 08-04-2007 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe
And yes, there is harm in it.

Any down he plays instead of one of the rookies would be wasted.

We can agree to disagree.

ChiefsFanInIndy 08-04-2007 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by KCCHIEFS27
Of course we should bring him in, just to take a gander and see how he works out. I mean, come on, did he really fail a physical? Or was it a Simeon Rice type deal? I think it was more about contract disputes than a failed physical. We need to sign this guy or Tank Johnson. Point blank(period)

Before the 2006 season Simon had a knee operation. A non football related health issue was discovered at that time that was serious enough for the Colts to list him on one of those non playing out for season lists. They stated it was not their place to divulge the nature of the health issue and that was up to the Simon family. They have never stated what it is.

Colts then attmepted to get back some of the signing bonus. That failed but they must have thought they had a pretty good reason. So Simon was no where near Indianapolis this past season which was only his second with the Colts after signing a huge free agent contract at the start of 2005.

Failing the physical this time was a formality. Colts never intended for him to be back as he still apparently has the non football related health issue. They have now come to a settlement that will release Simon. But he was essentially released last year as before the 2006 season started Polian made it clear he would not be back.

Whatever this non football related health issue is, it must be a whopper. If Simon manages to hook up with another team then it won't be what I think it is.

the Talking Can 08-04-2007 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsFanInIndy
Before the 2006 season Simon had a knee operation. A non football related health issue was discovered at that time that was serious enough for the Colts to list him on one of those non playing out for season lists. They stated it was not their place to divulge the nature of the health issue and that was up to the Simon family. They have never stated what it is.

Colts then attmepted to get back some of the signing bonus. That failed but they must have thought they had a pretty good reason. So Simon was no where near Indianapolis this past season which was only his second with the Colts after signing a huge free agent contract at the start of 2005.

Failing the physical this time was a formality. Colts never intended for him to be back as he still apparently has the non football related health issue. They have now come to a settlement that will release Simon. But he was essentially released last year as before the 2006 season started Polian made it clear he would not be back.

Whatever this non football related health issue is, it must be a whopper. If Simon manages to hook up with another team then it won't be what I think it is.


so what is the speculation in Indy?

herpes?
WPI?

htismaqe 08-04-2007 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy
We can agree to disagree.

That's fine.

Like I said, it's a moot point. He likely won't be playing football anywhere this season, maybe not ever again.

See the post right after yours.

Easy 6 08-04-2007 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can
I'd take Johnson in a heartbeat.

I agree, his last incident was borderline at best & he always comes off as contrite & intelligent in the recent interviews i've watched.

The guy could be a MAJOR steal.

Simon???... Fatlock .

rad 08-04-2007 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy
Simeon Rice couldn't pass a Bucs physical, but passes a Giants one.

I think if a team wants a player off the team, that's a perfect way to get him off - by failing the physical.

I bet James Reed can pass a physical.

rad 08-04-2007 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsFanInIndy
Before the 2006 season Simon had a knee operation. A non football related health issue was discovered at that time that was serious enough for the Colts to list him on one of those non playing out for season lists. They stated it was not their place to divulge the nature of the health issue and that was up to the Simon family. They have never stated what it is.

Colts then attmepted to get back some of the signing bonus. That failed but they must have thought they had a pretty good reason. So Simon was no where near Indianapolis this past season which was only his second with the Colts after signing a huge free agent contract at the start of 2005.

Failing the physical this time was a formality. Colts never intended for him to be back as he still apparently has the non football related health issue. They have now come to a settlement that will release Simon. But he was essentially released last year as before the 2006 season started Polian made it clear he would not be back.

Whatever this non football related health issue is, it must be a whopper. If Simon manages to hook up with another team then it won't be what I think it is.

Maybe it's a psychological issue, meaning he could pass a physical, but you wouldn't want him taking a psychological evaluation.

Does the NFL do that?

The Bad Guy 08-04-2007 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rad
I bet James Reed can pass a physical.

I bet I could too.

Does that mean I could play D-Line for the Chiefs?

rad 08-04-2007 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy
I bet I could too.

Does that mean I could play D-Line for the Chiefs?

Go try out.

Couldn't hurt to "take a look", could it?

I mean, with all the POS DT's we're fielding now, I'm sure you have a legitamate shot.

The Bad Guy 08-04-2007 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rad
Go try out.

Couldn't hurt to "take a look", could it?

I mean, with all the POS DT's we're fielding now, I'm sure you have a legitamate shot.

I'd love to hear you argue we have any DT's worth any substance right now.

Considering them anything but marginal guys is hilarious.

Easy 6 08-04-2007 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy
I'd love to hear you argue we have any DT's worth any substance right now.

Considering them anything but marginal guys is hilarious.

The thing to me about Simon, is that he was brought in to Indy be THE guy of that interior & disappointed almost immediately. One has to wonder why he couldnt get motivated, playing for a perennial contender.

I think your discounting Boone too much, he was the 2nd best guy to Tommie Harris in Chicago & put up equal & in some categories better stats than Tank Johnson.

If we put him next to a space-eater like Edwards & spot-in our young guys & rotation guys...this interior could be a lot better than your thinking IMO.

Given a choice, wouldnt you rather bring in Tank Johnson???

NaptownChief 08-04-2007 07:32 PM

Simon is probably the one guy in the NFL that could make Ryan Sims look like Jack Lalanne in terms of discipline and work ethic.

rad 08-04-2007 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy
I'd love to hear you argue we have any DT's worth any substance right now.

Considering them anything but marginal guys is hilarious.

We don't know what we have in the 2 rookies yet, but I know the answer isn't a 30 yr. old who may have polyarthritis.

Marginal is better than that.

I'm sick of these "let's take a look...." threads, scrambling after other teams' scraps like a bunch of vultures. How about "Lets take a look and DEVELOP who we drafted?"

The Bad Guy 08-04-2007 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rad
We don't know what we have in the 2 rookies yet, but I know the answer isn't a 30 yr. old who may have polyarthritis.

Marginal is better than that.

I'm sick of these "let's take a look...." threads, scrambling after other teams' scraps like a bunch of vultures. How about "Lets take a look and DEVELOP who we drafted?"

I'm tired of the homers who think that James Reed and Ron Edwards are anything more than 10-15 snap per game guys. Again, you act like bringing someone like him in would be the worst thing in the world. When you have a position of weakness like they do at DT, you don't leave any stone unturned.

Do I think Corey Simon is going to turn into his 2004 form? Probably not. But it wouldn't hurt to work him out if he's physically able to.

RedThat 08-04-2007 08:03 PM

I may be speaking a little too early, but i think Turk McBride and Tank Tyler will be pretty good players.

With that being said, I think Alphonso boone can be a solid rotational player, and a decent run stuffer for the Chiefs. I think James Reed and Ron Edwards are solid rotational players and pretty decent backups.

As for Corey Simon, meh, I think I'd pass. Im more content with what the Chiefs have done already. And they have established some youth at the DT position. What else more can we ask for? just hope those guys are going to be good.

RedThat 08-04-2007 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy
I'm tired of the homers who think that James Reed and Ron Edwards are anything more than 10-15 snap per game guys. Again, you act like bringing someone like him in would be the worst thing in the world. When you have a position of weakness like they do at DT, you don't leave any stone unturned.

Do I think Corey Simon is going to turn into his 2004 form? Probably not. But it wouldn't hurt to work him out if he's physically able to.

James Reed was solid last year. He may not be a starter, but he can be definately be a 10 snap per game kinda guy. Which is not a bad thing.

*It wouldn't hurt to bring in a Simon here. I agree with you on that. But realistically speaking, he'd be a BIG outside chance to make the team. Knowing that he hasn't played football in a year, failed a physical, is overweight. Those are some very bad signs.

htismaqe 08-05-2007 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy
I'm tired of the homers who think that James Reed and Ron Edwards are anything more than 10-15 snap per game guys. Again, you act like bringing someone like him in would be the worst thing in the world. When you have a position of weakness like they do at DT, you don't leave any stone unturned.

Do I think Corey Simon is going to turn into his 2004 form? Probably not. But it wouldn't hurt to work him out if he's physically able to.

I didn't say anything about Reed or Edwards. I think we drafted our starters this past April, but that's just me.


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