Jeezuz folks get some perspective
 

It isn't the end of the world that an unproven, inexperience QB didn't win the starting job right now. Earlier today I looked up at the sky and it is definately still up there. Hasn't fallen a bit.

Brodie isn't ready. It's that simple. He doesn't even have his mechanics down. He rushes things. He makes bad descisons. And he's got his whole career ahead of him. Don't you think maybe this will be a bit of a wake up call to him to get his shit together? Don't you think it will make him work even harder to be the guy we all hope he can be when the time comes? Isn't it better to let a guy who obviously isn't ready, sit back, get some perspective himself and come in once the O-line is (hopefully) a little more stable and LJ has found his stride?

Huard isn't great but he was solid last year and anyone who disputes that isn't looking at the big picture. Yes he had some issues. He was also the second rated passer in the NFL and lead us to the playoffs. It certainly wasn't his fault we didn't win once we were there. We know he can handle being the starter. Croyle.... not so much.

Excuse Herm and Carl and the whole organization for trying to put the best players on the field to start a season and maybe... just maybe trying to win a game or two. Many of us have little hope for a good season... no matter who plays QB. I'm glad the people who run the team don't have that same degree of low or no expectations. I mean how dare they try to compete with players who've proven they can.

Brodie will get his chance...probably even this year. I for one thank Herm and Carl for not handing the team over to a guy who may just get his ass and his confidence broken in two right from the start. Brodie will be a better QB later... when he's ready... for not having to try to sail a potentially sinkng ship now.

And who knows... we may not even be that bad.

Who wants to bitchslap this fool?





IT'S OVER, BEER ME!!! DOOOOMED!!!11

ROFL

Go for it. I'm sure you won't be the last.

P.S.... It's just football.

I don't think croyle will ever be ready. Most qb's show signs of being good. He just has this look when he is coming off the field like steve urcle

"DID I DO THAT?"

"Brodie doesn't have any experience, and we can't play him until he does"

I have a perspective, but it's one that's canted at an angle of about 150 degrees, so everything on the right side of life looks really, really big, and everything on the left side looks really, really small and it makes my neck hurt.

Amen Brother. Although, I would add that I think we will see Croyle sometime in the first half of the season

Could be. We'll see.

maybe a croyle huard backfield. Just think of the fumbling interception combinations we could come up with

I understand the concept of getting him the experience he needs... but not if he's not ready to be an NFL player and we have another guy who's done it before. I want Brodie to be the answer as much as the next guy. Sometimes you just have to have patience though.

The sky is too falling...

http://www.uwm.edu/~kahl/Images/Weat...erspective.jpg

this frog just found out huard is starting

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You are the funniest fugger on here Raphael.

ROFL

God this really, really sucks. I would rather we be bad and at least be developing a potential future. That you are accepting this based on we may not be bad is pitiful.

That isn't very logical of you.

Or maybe it is.

I have to go play a dance now. I'll check back in around 1am. Have fun fighting everyone.

To on one hand say "we are rebuilding" and on the other hand say "we're starting Huard to give us a chance" is ridiculous - that's my opinion; it's not the end of the world but it certainly is contradictory.

I would hope that Huard is only starting the first 4 games, which should be notoriously brutal affairs that occur while our offensive line w/ McIntosh goes through the gelling process.

We can't really tell from the preseason games if Brody is "ready" or not because the pass protection just wasn't there. It seemed like 2/3 of all plays the backfield penetration was so deep that the play was just busted. They plays that were adequately protected suffered from qb/receiver miscommunication or drops.

Let the o-line become some shadow of a cohesive unit, then see what Brody can do in game. Assuming that that is the reason Huard is starting, then I'm not upset by the decision.

If Croyle isn't ready and hasn't earned the spot, you can't just give it to him and say "we're rebuilding". The reason for that is that you need the rest of the team to believe you are putting your best players on the field. If guys like TG, Kennison, Edwards, Allen, LJ, etc. think we are already scratching the year off, do you really think they are gonna go out there and give it their all?

Croyle has to step up and earn that starting spot. I don't have a problem with Huard being named starter. Hopefully Croyle will take the position from him later this year or at least get some meaningful playing time.

How is he going to earn the spot if he's not playing when the GAMES COUNT?

With Huard being handed the starting job, the only way Croyle gets playing time is if Damon is injured or sucks....you can't earn a starting gig in practice.

Don't worry.

Our line is so bad Huard will get killed by game three or four, then Brodie comes in, plays three or four games, gets killed, then Printers runs around like Daffy Duck for three games...then Huard is healed...circle starts again.

One of Herm's last seasons (with the Jets) he got (I think) three QBs killed... played a fourth stringer for awhile, so it's nothing he hasn't seen before.

Have you heard Herm or Carl ever say we are rebuilding because I haven't?

If either one of them said that then you are right not starting Croyle makes no sense.

Wow, that makes me feel better! Thanks!

Well no, but I always thought it was pretty clear when Herm said something like, "We're getting younger" or "we're going with a youth movement" as rebuilding.

It's just my interpretation. From everything I have read, in Herm's press conferences, etc. he's a contradiction machine...dude never really says anything, ever, and what he does say is silliness.

Personally, I just don't like it - he worries me. I see Herm as an unstable leader, in the sense that he is not really making a decision to rebuild and he's really digging a bigger hole for himself.

I will always love the CHIEFS though, and I don't think I am panicking, I just feel that realistically, it's going to take a coach who will come in here, MAKE Carl follow a specific plan and just fuggin do it. I like what what's his name in Houston/Tennessee, Bob McNair did (is it Bob?). He gave the team to his coach, trusted him and let him run the thing - they've been solid for a while now and at least reached the Super Bowl and won playoff games.

You're thinking of Bud Adams, Bob McNair owns the Texans.

Yeah Bud Adams, thanks :(

God dammit, you people are some idiotic mfer's....Do you actually think no QB in history has ever spent a little time on the bench before earning the starting nod before?

All of you are acting like the Chiefs took Croyle out to the river in a burlap sack and threw him in. All that has happened is he is not starting this season opener - that is all. No one of knows what the situation will be in 6 weeks.

What the **** do you think preseason is for?....EVALUATING YOUR PLAYERS, YOU COSMIC DUMBASSES...Almost every single starter in this league earned their position by impressing coaches in practice or preseason before they got their chance under the lights. And sometimes your most physically talented player needs a little more learning before they are ready for live action. I have never in my life seen so many temper tantrums taking place at the same time on this BB before, or so many absolutely unsubstantiated claims about Croyle's future.

I also love the Logical theory that a team must, MUST, lose 16 games one year to really be rebuilding, or to have a chance to ever be any better.

Honestly, I can't believe a lot of you have actually learned to read and write, much less post on an internet bulletin board.

Carl ultimately is calling the shots.
Butts in the seats in games after Sept lone game......

Huard needs to start if Croyle really isn't ready yet.

No NFL experience , how can he get it.... Huard falters or injury.

Still think mid season replacement is highly likely.

Rep for U

Outstanding post IMO.....very few have stated the possible viewpoint of the Vets and "build for the future"........I'm pretty sure TG & the foundation crew is in it for the now......and Huard gives us the best chance to win. Now.

Do you think any of the vets really believe that this is a team that actually has a chance to win anything meaningful?

If they don't then they should not be playing. You don't quit before the season starts or you're not worthy of calling yourself a pro.

Here's a better question. Do you guys think Tony G. is in it just for the money or does he also want to win a championship? I was surprised when he re-signed so quickly. I think there is something positive going on at Arrowhead or he wouldn't of done it. I guess we'll see.

Then he should have earned it in the games.

We could be developing a young QB. He's not ready, so let's GET HIM ready.

Nah, that's sucks. Let's play the 34-year old and try to limp into the playoffs.

AGAIN.

Done WHAT before?

I think that these guys believe that they can be difference makers, and that they can help lead their team to wins.

But I also believe that they know that there are a lot of flaws with this team, starting at QB.

So rather than believeing in their QB, and their teammates, they have to make it happen.

I think he's in it for both, and he believes in the direction that Herman ****ing Edwards appeared to taking this team.

Started a couple of games?

:shrug:

WHOOHOO!

ALL ABOARD!

You probably think Printers will be a good NFL QB....

BUT BRODIES WIFE IS HOT

There are a lot of things that Croyle can do in practice to make him more prepared to start. He needs to work on his mechanics, and stop throwing off his back leg. That is something he needs to learn in practice before he steps on the field. You don't learn good mechanics in a game with defenders in your face. You learn them in practice, and practice them over and over until it becomes second nature. THEN you are ready to take the field. Like in anything else you have to learn the fundamentals before taking the next step. You can't learn how to run until you learn how to walk.

I think this will be good for Croyle, and better for the Chiefs in the long run. If you put Croyle in a situation like that, with that OL, then he is never going to learn to learn proper mechanics because he will be running for his life all the time.

Atleast Printers has some physical skills. I can't point to one thing other than the arm that brodie has. Can't escape the pocket, has to find lanes to throw because he is so short, and is injury prone.

Damon Huard has been "practicing" his entire career as a backup.

Yet, he STILL throws off his back foot ALL THE TIME.

Ask any current or former QB:

There is NO SUBSTITUTE for GAME EXPERIENCE.

Led a team to the post season.

Since when are you this dumb?

I think some people must have croyle as a fantasy sleeper for a large amount of money. There is no other explanation for this kind of freakout. Especially because Croyle will get his second chance eventually if not then i wish him well on his new team

True, WHEN HE IS READY. He isn't.

The voice of reason is such an odd sight around here I hardly knew what it was at first.

With him riding the pine this year the trainers also could put another 10 to 15 pounds of muscle on him making him that much more ready.

Thanks, Coach.

I guess you would have given up on Peyton Manning and Troy Aikman too.

4-28 in their rookie seasons, combined.

You can't tell me he's not ready when he hasn't played a game that counts, with a full playbook, game plan and teammates.

The question won't be answered until he gets REAL GAME EXPERIENCE.

If you judged QB's on their 1st 5 quarters of PS play, the position would become extinct. No one would ever be good enough.

again peyton maninng and aikman were first rounders who were big and strong and the talent was right there infront of everyone's eyes. Brodie is sskinny short and dumb

Again, you're a moron.

It's well documented that Croyle would have been a R1 pick if not for the injuries. He has the talent.

Croyle is 6'2...one lousy inch shorter than Trent Green, who I don't recall anyone bitching about him being short in 5 years with KC.

This has to be an act.....

Manning and Aikman didn't have the problems with mechanics that Croyle has. They were ready much sooner.

I wanted Croyle to start, but this is not a bad thing. He will be a better QB because of this.

Aikman was #1 overall yeah go ahead and keep comparing a ferrari to a alabama tractor

Where did all this "mechanics" crap come from?

I know the coaching staff hasn't said a word about his mechanics being poor. He comes over the top with the ball, and has a lightning quick release.

The whole "throwing off his back foot" shit is completely overblown.

Every starting QB in the NFL this year will throw off his back foot at some time, if not multiple times during the year.

Period.

Jesus Christ....Brett Favre made a LIVING out of it.

And they were no more READY than Croyle. You have to PLAY to have that questioned answered.

Tom Brady was a 6th round pick.

Guess he should give those SB rings and MVP trophies back.....

I wouldn't worry anyways if brodie is as good as you guys think he is he should have no problems winning the job. For once the chiefs are making a player EARN their job and I am thankful for it. I am tired of people just recieving the job after proving NOTHING. The fact brodie wet the bed in 2 games with no pressure just proves that he wasn't ready. I would rather trust people who know how to run a franchise for a living than arm chair gm's.

ROFL

Carl is making you reeruned

:clap: :clap: :clap:

IMO, easily the best post of the new season.

Tom Brady came in and lit it up right away.

I am just glad the majority of the fans out there have common sense that this is the correct move. Chiefsplanet is just a small pocket of fans. If I was around this kind of negativity every sunday football would stop being fun. Enjoy the ride guys and stop freaking out. Huard may give us a shot to the playoffs and anything can happen. If croyle is good he will get his shot if he isn't oh well. GO CHIEFS!

great post beer me. go chiefs

Explain to me what

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our Right T (pick one)
or our #2 WR (pick one)

has done to earn a job.

Yeah, but Brodie throws off it far too often and it usuallu leads to disaster. How would you explain his "happy feet" - sling -motion-throws - off his back foot when he has plenty of time to throw? I'd say poor mechanics is accurate. Just go back and watch the throw he made against the fins that was picked in the endzone. It was aweful.

"win now"

"window of opportunity"

"Croyle will gain experience by not playing"

"add cream to a butter sauce to keep it from breaking"

Don't forget Medlock...

What's your excuse? Denile?

In the REGULAR SEASON.

In the preseason, he didn't "show enough" to start over Drew Bledsoe.

Even outstanding coaching staffs can make mistakes.

That was the worst play I've even seen a QB make. No pressure on him... no one in his face... wide open WR... so he falls back and throws it right to the DB. Yea, he's ready.

I am surprised. I have been reading a few of the Huard/Croyle threads here today and I have yet to see one person point out what I feel is the biggest issue for Croyle at this point in time. Namely, the speed of the game. It looks to me like he still has not caught up to the speed at this level and the game is moving quickly around him. This will always lead to bad decisions and the attendant issues such as INTs.

The only way this issue gets resolved is playing in the games. Practice can not simulate gametime situations, game film can not give you a feel for how many more microseconds you have to get rid of the ball before getting smacked. Again, the only way to get the game on the field to slow down for you is to experience it.

There is no way to know when this transition will occur either. One day, in the middle of a game most likely, it will kick in. Then we will truely see what this young man is capable of at this level. But sitting on the bench will never allow his brain to make the needed transition that will lead to possible greatness.

danilo?

my excuse is I hate 9-7

you have no excuse

Don't even get me started on Medlock. I see nothing to show me that he is any better than Tynes.

Short? Croyle is 6'3".

That was ONE throw. You act like this is a regular occurance. It's not.

You're looking for something that isn't there.

He's made 2 bad throws off his back foot.

Otherwise, he's stepping into the throw and firing it.

A. Who said this team is going to win now?

B. The window has closed for the time being no matter who the QB is.

C. At least he can learn that dreaded "mechanics" word in practice and continue trying to EARN the job

D. I'll have a salad

That was one pass and that is the only one anyone has named when they say he "throws off his back foot". One pass.

Misreading the defense caused that INT. He should not have even thrown that ball in that direction. It was a bad decision more than bad mechanics. If the read was right (man to man where the WR had beaten his man) that is a TD, even off his back foot.

Thank you.

That is the point I've been trying to make with my comments about there being no substitute for game experience. I just did a bad job getting my point across.

That comment has been stuck in my head, ever since a SB MVP mentioned it to me at a charity event.

It'll be 7-9 at best anyway.

he thinks we're talking about Madden 07....you know, the players are only a few inches high on the screen...

EVEN MORE REASON to start Croyle.


:banghead:

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Dude, I've seen it. Furthermore, so have you. It's you that won't acknowledge something that IS there. It IS a regular occurance. Go back and watch all his picks - you'll see. Also, go back to last year and see if his "fling" - motiion isn't the same. (Preseason game 1 I believe - his only action before he hurt his arm/shoulder) It is - it's very obvious. I trust my eyes.

If he'd thrown it to the back pilon that is a TD... but he bricked it because he had no forward momentum throwing off his back foot and he's no Brett Favre so he can't compensate for it.

Oh OK... 3-13 then

:p