Religion as a topic.....
 

do you enjoy religion as a topic in threads.

The reason I ask is one of the other long time poster has a canipition fit when religious topics are posted and I find that strange. Whether the topic is Buddhism, Muslim, Jewish, or Christian in tradition or even about atheism I enjoy the hell out of those threads. So I thought I would find out what others think.

No poll forthcoming.

I'm pretty indifferent. Some people enjoy discussing religion. Some people don't. Whatever.

I do.

It's a very divisive topic in which no one is going to change opinion or point of view. Just a lot of hot air.

Oh boy, popcorn time ......... :drool:

Not here.

Too many non-believers are too shitty about an a topic that is sensitive to the majority in the same lines of calling mothers whores.

For people that don't care about Religion....they spend alot of time and energy belittling it and talking about it.

Suck it.

Di-toe

Part of me enjoys the different perspectives, I'm not ashamed of my beliefs, nor threatened by other's, but the levels of disrespect that breeds from the threads are very very tiring.

I probably dislike the cop bashing threads more, if you want to know the truth... :p

Believe what you like ... my view, there has to be more than this ...

I've pretty much given up on trying to discuss religion on the planet. Very few worthwhile discussions.

I agree with these.

So you're saying cops are more important than religion?

Speaking of some people getting butthurt...

I believe in God but if I was staring down the barrel of a gun I would sure hope God would send me a policeman.

I love em but don't get me started :)

Dave

Speaking of someone who can't go out of his way to be a raging Dick reguarding anything nearing religion.

yay, another religious thread, don't you ever quit dude, ever?

No, I'm not saying that at all....

How about cookies? Where do cookies rate?

Duh?

Why don't we just stick to football, BBQ, and pooping? :shrug:

DT

I do agree that some people cannot seem to avoid taking it personally and that is sad.

I'm pretty sure they're one of the snacks of choice for those gaining real combat experience on the dangerous daytime Guitar Hero battlefields.

I love talking about things that matter to people. As long as people can refrain from attacking and refrain from getting defensive I'm all for it. In fact, I encourage that sort of talk...


Here's what bothers me:

1. Non-Believers calling Believers "stupid" because they believe.

2. Believers confusing a Non-Believer's critisism of a particular belief as an attack and get defensive.

3. People who don't listen but love to talk.

4. People who think they know everything there is to know already and refuse to learn from someone who believes other than they do.

Oreos or Fig Newtons?

Excuse me... A cookie is just a cookie, but a Newton is fruit and cake!

**** you! Just **** you right in the goat ass! Who the **** are you to post something like that? Maybe you should be pointing the finger at yourself? Have you ever thought about that? Hmmmmm???

Newtons are nasty not "fruit and cake".

I hate that f**king guy. He's an idiot.

That is too bad because you always add interesting and factual information.

I don't like Cookies, I try to clear them on a regular basis

See there you go making this about gays.:p

I like the ones Dave and Holy Hand...whatever his name is post in....

How do you know about my goat? :hmmm:

Apparently you didn't watch as much TV as I did back in the early '90s. I do believe that was the slogan. :NERD:

The problem, Mr. Dr. Doom, is that the majority of "true believers" are "true believers" precisely because it is personal. I've noticed that this applies to many "non-believers", as well.

I'm only passing through life, so I would not presume to offer my opinion on this thread topic other than to say that most of the "religious" threads I've read appear to bring out the worst in people and that seems somewhat pointless to me. Unless, of course, one derives some enjoyment out of watching people get pissed off at each other, in which case, the onus falls on the participants - not the thread starter.

FAX

I like how you highlited "fruit" there, as if I wasn't going to get it otherwise... Maybe you should hang out with quicker witted people for awhile. Develop a little trust in your audience. :)

:)

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I saw them and after pinching a few from my Grandmother who loved them I got to learn just how nasty the really are. It was one of those early lessons about advertising.

That was not for you that was for Chiefaroo when he finally gets around to reading the thread.;)

I love religious discussion, so long as they don't saturate the board or are obvious pot-stirring digs...

My only problem with it is that, I think, for good discussion to occur it takes time and thought, unless you're just wanting to bicker back and forth...

And I don't know how some of you all do it (and quite possibly I might not want to know what some of you all do with your time...) but I just don't have time for more than maybe a day's worth of discussion every now and then...

Point, set, match.

Believe_Me, this is not the place to talk about Religion.

Priorities man, priorties.


...But, seriously, I have the type of job where I am either so busy I am consumed by it for days at a time, or so slow that I have lots of idle time.

I understand...

Heck, I used to have a lot more time for this (and the board in general) back when I was in college... now I have a job in which I'm consumed by it just about everyday and even some "off days"...

But that's okay. I'm doing what I love... :)

I like them. I've started a few and have posted in many. I like the sharing of ideas, but I agree that it can get ugly. Some people, believers and non-, can be frustrating to deal with.

You know, I'd be happy to post all those PMs we exchanged, you jackass. In fact, I'll do just that:

At 11:36 last night, Jim wrote:

Check with Jeff (morph), I PM'd him early on game day and asked him to lock the thread, for some reason he did not want to do so.

I know I am great at creating controversy and yes I enjoy it. But I offended some people I did not intend to and for that reason I wanted it locked.

Sorry Tim if you don't believe me but it is true.

Jim

To which I responded a minute later:

Whatever. Like you didn't know the reaction SUCK IT JESUS would get. I'm way past sick of you pulling this shit.

At 12:05 came this response:

Well evidently DEnise was right, you don't have the self control to avoid threads that bother you. You say you know what I am up to in all threads I create, yet you go on and post in them anyway. So is that my fault or yours?

At 12:41 I fired back with this:

I look at this way. You're being a dick, and I'm calling you on it. It's really that simple.

Eventually, this whole issue will reach critical mass, enough people will raise hell, and all this religious bullshit will get banished to DC where it belongs, which is exactly what I want. And every stupid thread you post like this brings my little dream one step closer to reality. So by all means, Jim, keep up the good work.

You stir your shit, and I'll stir mine.

At 1:15 Jim responded with this:

So who really is the religious bigot, the guy who starts threads that causes people to think over and discuss religious issues, or the guy who cannot stand to see religious topics in the main forum?

And this morning, I ended this little exchange with this:

You don't want people to think; you want people to be pissed off for your twisted amusement. Again, you seem to think I just signed up yesterday. Being annoyed by your continuing efforts to be the Madonna of ChiefsPlanet certainly does not make me a bigot. Perhaps you should find a dictionary and look up that word.

And quit sending me these lame ass PMs. I really have nothing further to say to you about this that I won't say in the public forum, nor do I really give a shit what you think about it.

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So, as you can all see, I am "having a canipition fit" about CONTENTIOUS religious threads specifically designed to PISS PEOPLE OFF and CREATE HATE AND DISCONTENT in the MAIN FORUM which portrays the entire BB in a bad light. I want this stuff moved to DC. I have publicly stated this many times. Nowhere did I ever state they shouldn't be posted at all. I have been clear and forthright in my desire to get contentious religious topics to DC for years. I get tired of them, and I get tired of Jim stirring shit just to do it. I have also made this abundantly clear for years. Jim has rather disengenously attempted to twist my motives publicly and privately. And now this fucking thread.

Well, now you can all see the truth.

Up your ass, Jim. Sincerely. 4321

Fine she is dead too.

LOL I have nothing I am embarrassed by in those PMs, all posting them did is point out that you were the poster I was referencing but not mentioning. Your choice.:shrug:

By the way I did not suggest you said they should not be posted, go back an re-read the thread post.

Do you believe there is a right and wrong?

I believe it is different for every individual based on their personal moral code. Only things codified as criminal by the law are absolute right and wrongs.

I do rather enjoy them. I don't see the need to get offended whenever someone disagrees with you though..
I don't care if you think everything I say is bs, you're entitled to your opinion.. even though you are wrong :p

Fixed the last part of your post Tim, by the way I still like and respect you. I find your anger a little strange, especially since you don't lay claim to being a strong Christian, why the Suck it thread should bother you so significantly suprised me. I tried to make it clear that I attempted to have the thread locked but you seemed not to care. Did you even contact Jeff to try and verify that what I claimed was true. Or did you assume I lied? I would never assume you lied and I suppose I should be angry, but knowing your hare trigger rage impulse I am not.

That pretty much summarizes my belief in every single post I make.:p

"Suck it," Jimbo.... :D


Seriously, though....religious topics can be fun, enlightening, and entertaining. Unfortunately, here at the Planet....there are some of us who enjoy stirring shit and being provocative.

However, stirring shit and being provocative....inexorably leads to insulting behavior and rhetoric, even unintentionally, and denigration of the heartfelt beliefs and opinions of rational and reasonable people--even if you disagree.

Therefore, religious threads....at a minimum, ought to be confined to D.C. IMHO. The aggrevation and pissin' contests and mental masturbation and self delusion that they necessarily require....don't belong in the Lounge, IMHO.

Noobs and the "normal" people here don't need to wade through that shit, without a condom IMHO.

:shake:

Yes, manipulate my post just as you attempt to manipulate everything else. You repeatedly ignore my answers and ask the same questions over and over. If you were a fucking idiot, I'd understand. But you're not. You're just being deliberately obtuse, milking yet another response out of me and prolonging your attention whoring. In the end, that's all it is, isn't it? - this is how you get attention, posting contentious crap and then watching people verbally assail one another, which is exactly what you want, so you feel empowered by it. Then you feign innocence and say "well, I never meant to upset anybody." That's bullshit, a lie, whatever you want to call it. You knew exactly the reaction you'd get with SUCK IT JESUS. Did you perhaps realize that you went too far? What difference does it make? It doesn't excuse what you did or why you did it.

And no, I'm NOT religious, as you well know. I'm simply sick of all the strife. SUCK IT JESUS simply doesn't belong on the main forum. Would you walk down the street saying "SUCK IT JESUS" to strangers? Of course you wouldn't - I've met you, Jim, and I know that you ACT OUT HERE BECAUSE IN REAL LIFE YOU'RE AS TIMID AS A fuckING CHURCHMOUSE. And that, Jim, is the difference between us - I don't have a persona here; I'm just myself.

Religion as a topic is already a powder keg, religious topics that are prejudiced and discriminative is just lighting the fuse, IMO.

LOL that you think I am timid, ask my son, endo, or Big Daddy, if I can be described as timid. I am somewhat shy until I get to know people, but I am far from timid. Too bad you cannot meet all the people who work for and with me so you can ask them if they view me as timid.

I won't reveal who contacted me in regards to the suck it thrread unless they say I can, but I will reveal that my son did, and even if no one else had, that would have been enough to convince me I had went too far and asked for it to be locked. Sure I was trying to stir the pot, hey I admitted that already in the replacement for the thread post. Big deal, you need to get over it. You used to be a shit stirrer yourself once upon a time, fortunately for you the evidence is lost to the great database purge.

I still like and respect you and your anger and belligerant statements do nothing to change that.

If we as Americans cannot accept that others have heartfelt convictions about eternal matters, we are more unjust than all men.

Wise men respect the consciences of their fellow men; attacking another's religion only provokes strife and intolerance.

Cyber behavior is, as Tim aptly points out, often a substitute for personal timidity.

Go Chiefs!
KCJ

What is funny is football/sports may be the common reason we are all at this site, but most of us came here so we could discuss anything in the main forum that came to our minds. A lot of the newer people don't know that, but Frazod (Tim) certainly should. Yes DC was created to segregate the politics and DEnise (wink) from the Lounge, but DC was not intended to be the common residence for all things not football.

You are not timid.

You are the poster-child for passive-aggressive shit-stirring provocateur.

Tim is right on target; if anyone would know, it's me. And you know it.

:)

Religion is not football.

However, it is much, much more like politics and Duhnise....than football.

That is why many, if not most "religious" topics belong in D.C.....IMHO.

At least passive-aggresive shit-stirring "religious" topics. :shake:

John we have spoken over the phone and I sought you out, not the other way around, was that me being timid?

When have I ever tried to say I was not a shit stirrer? Seriously Rob, can you think of a time that I did not admit I enjoy it?

I'm curious why the planet has never had a poll to move all religion discussions to the DC (and rename it something like "Politics & Religion".

Seems like a no brainer, but after 7 years, it's never happened. I'm suprised. Particularly given how pissed some people get when the religion threads exist in the lounge.

Yeah, you're a real Dirty Harry, aren't you? That's why you speak so softly you can barely be heard and rarely look people in the eye. I'm sure you're different in your comfort zone, tormenting your kids or employees. But when you're among those beyond your personal control, you're basically a turtle looking for a shell.

And no, I'm not a shit stirrer. Never have been. Do I react passionately to things? Do I dig in on issues and get nasty? Sometimes too nasty? Absolutely. But I never engage in such antics unless I have (or believe I have) a good reason for doing so. And I have NEVER posted contentious crap like you do just to offend the core of the community for my own personal amusement.

Go forth, and make the poll.

I'd be shocked to see it not happen.... :shrug:

Then you could claim at least some value to this place.... :hmmm:


;)

I wish somebody would post the poll, but it shouldn't be me. I'm too invested in this issue.

Would it help if Bob Dole would come clean and finally admit that he's timid?

Several of your comments have been meaningful to me whether I responded or not. I'd like it if you continue to share.

Yup you never shit stir

http://67.18.68.69/BB/showthread.php?t=8268
http://67.18.68.69/BB/showthread.php?t=13797
http://67.18.68.69/BB/showthread.php?t=13933
http://67.18.68.69/BB/showthread.php?t=13982

I am sure you were not meaning to stir the shit with the next few for sure
http://67.18.68.69/BB/showthread.php?t=14108
http://67.18.68.69/BB/showthread.php?t=13933

Here you are trying to be the first to segregate the board eventually you will get your way.

http://67.18.68.69/BB/showthread.php?t=4586

Tim, I can see the rage subsiding, better shoot a refrigerator to get yourself stoked backup, or maybe you can kill the guys cutting your cable or DTV connections. I imagine there is some poor customer service peon at DTV that you can vent at since you are not getting through to me.

I guess I have the money to afford to speak softly when I am in public and don't need the alcohol reinforced timerity that you evidently are so proud of in you dealings in real life with fellow Planet posters. I say good for you Cliff Claven of ChiefsPlanet, yell on, we all love hearing your stories.

Frazod sold Bob Dole a pair of squeaky shoes.

I made a poll, it is a good poll. Can a mod sticky it?

All the mods are asleep.

!

So, where's the poll?

Does it have a Gaz option?

That bastard.