Jared Allen ain't going no where
 

King Carl just said on 38 the spot Jared Allen is going to be a Chief next year even if they have to tag him. He said he gave him 2.5 million this year and he has earned every penny so far duh.

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Who didn't know that?

Jack Harry said Carl Peterson is a douchebag, and he hopes Carl steps on a crack and breaks his mother's back.

Duh from the aspect of we all knew that already.

Who else would they tag? JA is turning into a great player and well worth dropping good money on. Carl will play his normal games, hes a businessman and thats what he does. But JA will realize that if he wants to get PAID, it will be at the Chiefs terms.

Parker? Bigfoot?

:hmmm:

Pay the man. It kinds seems that quite a few d-linemen go downhill a little after a big payday. I would bet a lot that JA isn't one of those types. Pay him long time

10 million for one year is what they said.

That's nice and all Carl, but step up and pay the man. Allen can still choose to holdout if you low ball him. The guy has earned a fat check and goes 110% on every play. Perhaps he can share his secret with our Douch bag overpaid RB.

The way they talked Allen doesn't even want to talk new deal till after the season he knows his price tag goes up each game he has Carl by the balls.

Pass rushing DE's are one of the most precious and cherished positions in all of football. Especially one in his prime.

Not in a million years would they let JA walk.

They would if JA wants QB money(ie 15+ mil a year), not saying it will happen but this is our front office..

since when is Carl believable?

"I'M NOT A BUSINESSMAN, I'M A BUSINESS...MAN! LET ME HANDLE MY BUSINESS, DAMN!"
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I wanna go on record and say that beer bacon's humor is underrated.

Id be afraid of signing him now and seeing production falter.

I doubt it. We're just scared of that happening because of the recent LJ situation.

Rep.

I told him to say that.

KC players that become free agents this offseason (along my predictions):

FB Boomer Grigsby (RFA) <---- signs tender
WR Samie Parker (UFA) <---- resigns vet min
TE/FB Kris Wilson (UFA) <---- resigns $3 mil/3 years
OT Chris Terry (UFA) <---- SOL
OT Kyle Turley (UFA) <---- SOL
C Casey Wiegmann (UFA) <---- SOL
DL Jared Allen (UFA) <---- franchise tag, holdout, big payday
DL Jimmy Wilkerson (UFA) <---- resign vet min
LB Keyaron Fox (UFA) <---- resign $3 mil/3 years

:)

Julius Peppers Carolina $14.09 million 1.5 sacks thus far
Jason Taylor Miami $9.63 million 4
Aaron Schobel Buffalo $9.21 million 1.5
Justin Smith Cincinnati $8.65 million 1.5

I for one didn't know that Carl gave him extra money this year.

Well the Chiefs dont have a QB making that much.

Carl should have signed him-it will cost us double now.

Damn! I wish you were running things.

Some of you should be working for the Royals.

Develop a good player? Get rid of him asap because he might falter...heh

Allen would have asked for top DE money before the season. And he would have deserved it based on his career so far. So He'll be more expensive but not by much. Not double.

Remember the huge fire-sale the Royals had this season? lol

What legitimate all-stars do the Royals have?

John "Pain Train" Buck.

Really? His numbers look kind of pedestrian to me.

AVG .222 | HR 18 | RBI 48 | OBP .308 | SLG .429

WTF hijacked the football thread with the baseball crap?

This guy .........


Don't blame me , you asked .

Yep. JA might be having his best season yet in a contract year but nonetheless he has always been a player that plays until the whistle. He always gives it his all. Plus, he already had 27.5 sacks his first 3 years so it's not like he was a slouch before this year. I think he is a player that will continue to perform.

Allen deserves to be paid like a top 3 DE in this league. Keep him fat and happy.

We're not going to pay someone who would basically be a back up on any other team that kind of jack. We should be able to sign him for the vet min, or maybe a little over.

Eesh, he shouldn't make as much as Peppers does....

Wow, Jack must really dislike his own mother quite a bit then.

I recall that Chiefs fans didn't like the pick when he was drafted. Now, we want to pay him more than $10 million a year. Crazy.

Things change overtime and development....

1) He will demand BIG money
2) He DESERVES big money.
3) Who cares how much he gets as long as he's a Chief
4) Comparable to DT...... YES!

That's exactly why signing L.J. was so important. Now we can tag him if need be.

King Carl didn't give him a raise. He had to give him the minimun required per the the NFL and the NFLPA agreement. JA didn't get one penny more than the bargaining agreement said he was to recieve.

I'm as big as King Carl basher as they come but I can't fault king Carl for this. They pay JA big bucks and he goes out and gets another DUI they are screwed. That would be his 4th. JA would get serious jail time. A guy here in KC got 15 years in jail for his 5th DUI yesterday.

No need to pay him now either. His value is as high as its going to get right now. If he keeps his nose clean pay him in the off season.

I would consider abandoning this team if they were dumb enough to let Allen walk. The Edwards and Horn decisions have made it hard enough to have confidence in Carl's ability to keep talent in KC.... Allen would be the final straw.

You are correct. I thought he was still under his original contract. I forgot he signed the one year tender. That makes Carl's comments absurd.

Just more king Carl arrogance. King Carl stands in front of the media and says I gave him a raise. BS! You had to or he was an immediate FA able to sign with anyone. Asswipe.:mad:

Wouldn't the double negative imply that he is going somewhere?


Sorry, pet peeve of mine. ::

How could he have possibly been a bad pick at the time? He was a fourth rounder who was a skilled pass-rusher. That hasn't changed.

I like how the guy without the criminal record is the debbil

Who says he wants to resign? Carl said some very nasty things to him in his last round of contract talks. This has John Tait written all over it as the Chiefs might not have the money to resign him (LJ eating up cash and a large debt to service on the renovation).

*And the thread ends*

I said that exact same thing in another previous thread. Carl should be negotiating NOW with Allen's agent, but Carl would rather pay JA the measley $2.5 mil now than upping the ante and we run the risk of losing him or pissing him off. Even if we franchise him we can still LOSE him if another team is willing to give up draft picks. Carl really sucks at building a complete team. I wish this ass clown would leave already.

Has any team ever given up two first round picks for a franchised player?

Galloway.

I think teams can also agree to lesser compensation. CP could agree to a 1st and 2nd.

You are assuming quite a bit. What inside info do you have that Carl isn't negotiating right now? Did he say we're not signing Allen to long term deal we're franchising him? Like the title of this thread says, Allen isn't leaving. He'll be a Chiefs next year and most likely for several more.

They also can structure contracts to work in their favor like a poisin pill or by giving all the money upfront. I'm sure there are some teams that would actually consider giving up picks for a premier DE going into their prime. JA is the real deal.

The main point is, if you already KNOW you are going to sign him long-term why wait and give teams an opportunity to set the pricetag for his services and or attempt to sign him away from us?


It's more in a long line of reasons why Carl is still an incompetent boob 19 years later.

"Even if they have to tag him" doesn't sound like there is much negotiating on, now does it?

Does it say they're only gonna tag him?

The point is why WAIT?

Just because JA can be franchised doesn't mean that they don't risk losing him. He's already made noises that he doesn't want to be here in KC. He can holdout. He can sit out the year if he has too. This is not college. His agent can loan him millions if he as too.

But it will probably go like Tony G's holdout in 2001-2? did. JA wants the big time deal. King carl refuses and franchises him. JA says FU I'm not reporting to camp. Long and nasty holdout ensues. 2-3 games into the season a long term deal gets done.

Some factors to consider.

• This is JA's agent first big time FA contract. The agent ses this as his big oppertunity to land more big time NFL clients he's not going to allow a hometown discount
• JA develops an attitude towards King Carl and the FO and leaves ala...Tait

So, the Chiefs could use the exclusive tag and any thought another team may have of giving up two draft picks is moot?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franchise_tag

It's week six! They have quite a while. You're like someone who's expecting a call from someone who said they'd call this week, and here it is Tuesday and they haven't called, so you say, Well, that's it they aren't gonna call.

If we tag him, we'll keep him. No one is going to give up draft picks for Allen. If we tag him, it will also put us in salary cap hell. Let's hope we don't have to tag him.

I really doubt He'll sit out a year to spite the Chiefs. I haven't heard any rumblings lately that he hates it here have you? Maybe he's patched everything up? The Chiefs will offer him as much as other teams will, it might be a little more or less but it'll be what he deserves.

No. I have NINETEEN years of watching the same man do the same thing over and over again. You don't throw out the franchise tag to the public if you are close in sides, besides that, Carl doesn't work that way. Carl will wait until the offseason to save a buck now.

Again, did he say the Chiefs are going to franchise him? You're right I'll bet there is a long way to go before both sides are in agreement, but I'll bet anything they're talking.

There's the idea again that somehow Carl is cheap. Look I hate Carl, he's so full of himself it makes me sick, and he's not always the best judge of talent, it's best if he left that to the coaches, I wish he were gone, but I know he's a good negotiator, I've seen it over the same nineteen years you have. I trust him with getting a good deal, and spreading the money around wisely. Say what you will about him, when he really wants to get something done as far as player acquisition or retention it gets done, and it strikes me that he wants to have Allen here.

You take a pretty fair approach, but John Tait throws a wrinkle in your argument about keeping a player we want to keep.

Also, Carl may or may not have made a phone call to Allen's agent, but I truly doubt that they are in heated discussions about working out the numbers. Carl doesn't roll that way, he would rather save the money now.

John Tait had a transition tag, not a franchise tag.

I was thinking about the Tait move, that does go against what I said. But if you remember, the Chiefs had the transition tag on Tait, they took a gamble that no one would pay what it would cost to sign him. The Bears offered a deal that was ridiculous, it was top LT money and at that time Tait was only our RT, you don't pay a RT top LT money. I remember saying wow! If they want Tait that badly they can have him, I think everyone felt that way.

There is no reason for Carl to use the F-tag word unless he is in negotiations currently.

The principle is still the same only the compensation goes up.

We would have to pay JA more AND teams would have to offer more in higher round picks-it's a double-edged sword that effects both current team and the propositional team.

In other words, JA's price tag goes up for us with the franchise tag compared to the transition tag. That's less wiggle room for free agents, because he woud count against the cap at a ONE year deal with huge money.

That's exactly why I'm stressing Carl should get off his duff and get this done PRIOR to the offseason.

According to wikipedia (which is never incorrect, :) ), teams can make a player an "exclusive franchise player" and no other team can negotiate with that player.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franchise_tag

We have plenty of cap space.

We would have far less cap space if we tagged him. Don't be fooled by the internet numbers you see posted.